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Old 05-10-2015, 04:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Herpa Lufthansa Retro 747-8 Flaw?

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After seeing some photos of the Herpa LH 748 retro on Aviation Centre Berlin and the Herpa website, it seems there is a flaw in the grey on the bottom of the fuselage. The belly seems more silver/metallic than the flat grey it is on the actual aircraft. To people who own this model, is it that noticeable? Unfortunately I can't justify spending $250AUD on the upcoming GJ200 release but absolutely love the way the old retro livery looks on the 748.

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the Herpa model i´s a pure waste of material. i've seen it at my retailer, and it seems like they simply just wanted to have the model ready for the 60th LH anniversary. apart from the mould itself the printing quality is a perfect example for imperfection - definately got a pole position among the TOP10 of the worst models ever made.
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no grey on the front fuselage underside and barely visible on the rear....
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The model is painted like an actual LH 747-200 was, with a mostly "bare metal" lower half, but the extreme underside painted grey for abrasion protection. (KLM did the same)

Perhaps that is what LH originally planned for their retro 748, but Herpa never updated their artwork to reflect reality once the real thing was painted the way it was?
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This is a flaw that would be easy to restore in time..but they did not..to bad! Had it on pre order..
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Old 05-14-2015, 05:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the responses. That is a real shame to hear, won't be buying it now, just because of this easy to fix problem. Was really happy with the standard livery Herpa 748. Might buy some models for customisation instead.

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I think some collectors will be happy to own a 'what should have been' retro B748i!
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I think some collectors will be happy to own a 'what should have been' retro B748i!
You are probably right there, the real thing should have had a polished belly.
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Which one is better? I will wait for the GJ one before make the decision.
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Make sure that any LH B748i "retro" in any scale has the Koln and crest on it.
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As even the Gemini Jets artwork makes the distinction between a metallic and a grey coloured area I very much believe it exists although it's difficult to spot. This picture shows a very subtle difference between grey and silver behind the wings.

http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=1360238

Same here: http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=1360791

The Herpa shade of silver is utterly wrong nonetheless.
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As even the Gemini Jets artwork makes the distinction between a metallic and a grey coloured area I very much believe it exists although it's difficult to spot. This picture shows a very subtle difference between grey and silver behind the wings.

Foto Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 D-ABYT

Same here: Foto Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 D-ABYT

The Herpa shade of silver is utterly wrong nonetheless.
Hi! its the same grey below the cheat-line and the wing-box sections. Looks like the reflection of light coming off different angled surfaces to the camera.

You can see the bird in the painting hangar here.

PHOTOS: Lufthansa Paints a Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental in Retro Livery - AirlineReporter.com
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I didn't refer to the wing boxes but to the belly (there seems to be a subtle difference between the area directly under the cheat line and the bottom of the belly) . And although the pictures from the paint shop imply that the belly is flat grey I was told that a metallic colour was in fact used. I agree that this colour looks very greyish in many pictures (just like Virgin's livery).

Here the colour looks silverish indeed: Foto Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 D-ABYT
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UPDATED....There are two color greys on D-ABYT just like there were on the 1:1 B742 back in the 1970s. The second grey is hardly noticeable. That said it is there. There have been "retro" models released by PH and Hogan so far. Does anyone know if the Herpa will have and Hogan 1/200 version has the two color greys on them?
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Thanks, Jeff. That clarifies it. The Herpa 1/200 has two different shades but the difference is way exaggerated because they have used simple silver for the metallic grey.

The Phoenix 1/400 version is probably unofficial and appears to feature only one flat grey, which is even worse.

I guess we have to wait for Gemini to do it right.
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Thanks, Jeff. That clarifies it. The Herpa 1/200 has two different shades but the difference is way exaggerated because they have used simple silver for the metallic grey.

The Phoenix 1/400 version is probably unofficial and appears to feature only one flat grey, which is even worse.

I guess we have to wait for Gemini to do it right.
better have a gey fuselage than the Herpa verision - apart from the color isse the grey part is totally crroked.
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The Herpa version is still in process. Won't be in the US until Nov 2015. Hogan version is out already but not sold in the US yet.
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I am sure GJ will release a superior version of this.
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The Herpa version is still in process. Won't be in the US until Nov 2015. Hogan version is out already but not sold in the US yet.
but it is already sold in Germany and i doubt the version for the US market will look different...
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Hogan version is again with those weird flexed wings , i dont know why cant they settle those Insane wing flex down !
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EuropeanCollector.....Limox has exclusive rights to LH products made by Hogan. Sometimes they aren't sold in the US and sometimes we won't get them here for six months. I am getting mine from EUR.
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Oh no, this sucks. Waiting for it anyway, it wont look that bad im sure!
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Look forward to seeing photos when you receive it. Maybe it won't look too bad.
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Here is photo of the real thing that shows the silverish look on the engines and parts of the fuselage. If you look really carefully you can spot the small difference between the silverish grey and the flat grey but it is extremely subtle.

D-ABYT - Lufthansa Boeing 747-8 at Frankfurt | Photo ID 553302 | Airplane-Pictures.net
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There are three grey colors on this aircraft. One is the belly paint. One is the fuselage paint and the other is a very thin stripe below the blue cheat line (which nobody can see unless standing next to it). The B742 in the 70s had it too.
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There are three grey colors on this aircraft. One is the belly paint. One is the fuselage paint and the other is a very thin stripe below the blue cheat line (which nobody can see unless standing next to it). The B742 in the 70s had it too.
May be only two? BAC 94775 on lower fuselage and BAC 707 on belly.
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Its silver look on the belly and engines isn't polished metal but more of a silver grey metallic paint to give that silver polished look.



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