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Old 01-13-2015, 03:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone had any issues with this model just released?
My regular supplier advised me that all of his stock that arrived was defected in terms of under the wings the plane had been reprinted from previous airline/mould. Not sure if this is true and he cancelled my order of 2 for reasons undisclosed to me or ...??????
Find it strange then he tells me the next batch were defected also and the supplier only released a few "defect free" planes. I smell a rat! Any comments appreciated esp if you have recieved this model, cheers
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Well, Id ask him for photos showing the "problem" thats for sure!
Also, this is the new heavy mould, that allows for polishing, I dont see them
Having extra wings from previous models being reprinted and used again.
So a photo would help us to see any previous registration(?) under the new paint?!
I have two, and they are fine.
But maybe others here can confirm what you just said...or not, hopefully.

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Anyone had any issues with this model just released?
My regular supplier advised me that all of his stock that arrived was defected in terms of under the wings the plane had been reprinted from previous airline/mould. Not sure if this is true and he cancelled my order of 2 for reasons undisclosed to me or ...??????
Find it strange then he tells me the next batch were defected also and the supplier only released a few "defect free" planes. I smell a rat! Any comments appreciated esp if you have recieved this model, cheers
Who did you order from?
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It is true and photo as requested.

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I hope the paintover isn't too bad. I haven't received mine yet, and I hope if it is repainted, they at least did a good job of it.

I would have thought that if they were going to reuse some surplus wings they would have stripped the wings first, then primed, and then painted but I guess when you decide to go cheap you tend to go cheap all of the way.

The problem is the price they are charging for the model is NOT cheap.
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Thats a bummer, the Air Canada models here at ARD are correct, the EAL flew out of the shelves and no complaints yet.
I assume only a few of these were done this way, but if you guys find YOUR model(s) to look like this, best thing is to send them back to your supplier for a replacement right?!
Thats the beauty of having a bricks and mortar retail shop, where collectors can browse and inspect the models!
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The problem is the price they are charging for the model is NOT cheap.
And this is the key problem.

If Inflight are going to charge nearly double what JC/GJ charge for an L-1011, they shouldn't be skimping out on the manufacturing process. It demonstrates a lack of care to the customer.

This is not me picking sides, this is simple business ethics. If you're going to charge double, you should be putting in twice the effort to ensure a quality product.
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....best thing is to send them back to your supplier for a replacement right?!.....
Good luck with that considering that this release is already sold out and has people waiting in line as alternate buyers.

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The point is moot if there are no models to browse through and inspect. I would bet money that there isn't one single unit of these in any shop in our entire state here.
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Mr. Eberhard,

I understand your concern when collectors do ask for your responsibility when a defective production run is delivered. Actually, I share Retroguy's view without exception. To my mind, a good and reliable retailer takes care of his customers - and his customers' interests. I know things are much more difficult in the business today, the worldwide web has opened new markets (worldwide access) but also new problems for retailers. Nonetheless, as a loyal customer, I do expect my retailer to check every model before it leaves his mail order office. If I do receive a model with defects, it is his obligation to take it back and to replace it (or refund the money, incl. my expenses for the return shipment). And a good retailer is doing so since his customer is entitled to what he ordered and paid for: a flawless product. It's that simple, indeed. And it works with good retailers, most of the times.

If a limited, highly sought after model is going to be sold out quickly, a good retailer would return a damaged batch to the manufacturer, forcing the latter to deliver a better product - a product, for which he (the retailer) takes over a part of responsibility in terms of quality and flawlessness. I know there are many retailers out there who don't care at all - but that's why I am talking about 'good retailers' on the one hand, and just 'retailers' on the other hand.
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I understand your concern when collectors do ask for your responsibility when a defective production run is delivered. Actually, I share Retroguy's view without exception. To my mind, a good and reliable retailer takes care of his customers - and his customers' interests. I know things are much more difficult in the business today, the worldwide web has opened new markets (worldwide access) but also new problems for retailers. Nonetheless, as a loyal customer, I do expect my retailer to check every model before it leaves his mail order office. If I do receive a model with defects, it is his obligation to take it back and to replace it (or refund the money, incl. my expenses for the return shipment). And a good retailer is doing so since his customer is entitled to what he ordered and paid for: a flawless product. It's that simple, indeed. And it works with good retailers, most of the times.

If a limited, highly sought after model is going to be sold out quickly, a good retailer would return a damaged batch to the manufacturer, forcing the latter to deliver a better product - a product, for which he (the retailer) takes over a part of responsibility in terms of quality and flawlessness. I know there are many retailers out there who don't care at all - but that's why I am talking about 'good retailers' on the one hand, and just 'retailers' on the other hand.
Sorry guys, but if the flaw isn't too bad (like on this model), I would rather have the model. I bet a lot of other collectors would too.

I DO NOT think returning the models to the manufacturer is a good option. First of all, the retailer is trying to keep his expenses low to provide YOU with the lowest cost models possible. He shouldn't have to bear the burden or cost of returning the models, or be 'Quality Police' for the manufacturer either. Start with a good retailer who actually checks models before he ships, and won't ship defective or broken models in the first place. You will be miles ahead. And how many of us really have a convenient 'brick and mortar shop' that is stocked with ever model we want (except for people living near ARD). Mail order and pre-order is a fact of life for most of us, but it does give us better pricing and access to more models.

Even if the models were returned, I seriously doubt they would be corrected and re-released. I bet you can't remember anytime this was ever done in the part because I don't think it has never happened. By the time you get your model, the factory has already moved on to its next production run. If you really want a particular model, pre-order it and take your chances. What you get is what you get, period! The real answer IMHO is speak with your dollars and not buy from manufacturers that consistently release these kinds of models. I personally think IF is getting close to this category with its recent releases.

For all the other issues, things are going to happen. Pre-release photos are a GREAT tool for both the manufacturer and the buyer, but even then things can slip through or not be corrected. Stuff is going to happen. There is no prefect model. Stop buying models if it really bothers you that much, or grumble a little when you get something that bothers you and move on with life.

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Sorry guys, but if the flaw isn't too bad (like on this model), I would rather have the model. I bet a lot of other collectors would too.

I DO NOT think returning the models to the manufacturer is a good option. First of all, the retailer is trying to keep his expenses low to provide YOU with the lowest cost models possible. He shouldn't have to bear the burden or cost of returning the models, or be 'Quality Police' for the manufacturer either. Start with a good retailer who actually checks models before he ships, and won't ship defective or broken models in the first place. You will be miles ahead. And how many of us really have a convenient 'brick and mortar shop' that is stocked with ever model we want (except for people living near ARD). Mail order and pre-order is a fact of life for most of us, but it does give us better pricing and access to more models.

Even if the models were returned, I seriously doubt they would be corrected and re-released. I bet you can't remember anytime this was ever done in the part because I don't think it has never happened. By the time you get your model, the factory has already moved on to its next production run. If you really want a particular model, pre-order it and take your chances. What you get is what you get, period! The real answer IMHO is speak with your dollars and not buy from manufacturers that consistently release these kinds of models. I personally think IF is getting close to this category with its recent releases.

For all the other issues, things are going to happen. Pre-release photos are a GREAT tool for both the manufacturer and the buyer, but even then things can slip through or not be corrected. Stuff is going to happen. There is no prefect model. Stop buying models if it really bothers you that much, or grumble a little when you get something that bothers you and move on with life.
Bravo I could not have said it better! you are 100% correct..These models will not be done over...80% of retailers are working out of their house or some other kind of business.. It is not their livelihood, they just pass the inventory through to the customer and if possible try to make a few bucks on the side. To send a model back for something like that is ridiculous..Dont burden the retailer for production errors unless they shipped the box hap hazard and thus damage occurred...

OK lets here all the comebacks about buying a car with a defect and taking it back to the dealer now...yada yada yada

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If a limited, highly sought after model is going to be sold out quickly, a good retailer would return a damaged batch to the manufacturer, forcing the latter to deliver a better product - a product, for which he (the retailer) takes over a part of responsibility in terms of quality and flawlessness. I know there are many retailers out there who don't care at all - but that's why I am talking about 'good retailers' on the one hand, and just 'retailers' on the other hand.
WOW what world are you living in??? Sounds great if you are enrolled in "economics of a small business 101"! this is 2015 not 1965!!

If that retailer followed your advice they would be out of business within a year..A good retailer would say to the customer Ill take it back here is 100% of your money back.. Next re sell it to the next person waiting in line and disclose the issues fully and then say how lucky he or she is to get it and sell it for more money Thats exactly what I would do...thats the definition of what a smart or "good" retailer would do..

sending a model or models back in protest will only get laugted at
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With all due respect, Russel, why would a respectable retailer laugh at a returned model?!
if a collector wants a certain model/livery he/she will expect it to be in good shape, model AND box, thats me talking here...not as a protest, but rather showing discontent...as for any retailer to go to another collector with all that talk, saying how lucky etc etc, and get even more money?!...thats sad and shows what this hobby is turning to...speculation...money grabbers...and for what?! Junk, bits of modelled metal with cheap paint....all of them!!!
so for those retailers outhere who laugh at their customers interests, watch out....you're not doing a great job. Customer service is of paramount importance in any walk of life...and a good retailer is expecting that customer to return,...right?! but again, I could be wrong.
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If a limited, highly sought after model is going to be sold out quickly, a good retailer would return a damaged batch to the manufacturer, forcing the latter to deliver a better product....
LMAO. This is pure, unadulterated delusion. Clearly you have not spent one second as a retailer of anything in the entire world.

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WOW what world are you living in??? Sounds great if you are enrolled in "economics of a small business 101"! this is 2015 not 1965!! If that retailer followed your advice they would be out of business within a year. A good retailer would say to the customer Ill take it back here is 100% of your money back.. Next re sell it to the next person waiting in line and disclose the issues fully and then say how lucky he or she is to get it and sell it for more money That's exactly what I would do...that's the definition of what a smart or "good" retailer would do. Sending a model or models back in protest will only get laughed at
Words of wisdom indeed. Thank you Russell.

For those of you who want to keep 'beating a dead horse' over this near invisible issue with a MODEL AIRPLANE THAT DOESN'T FLY, then feel free to do so, but you really should seriously consider walking away from this hobby and instead focus your outrage on any number of other worldwide issues that are much more important.

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For those of you who want to keep 'beating a dead horse' over this near invisible issue with a MODEL AIRPLANE THAT DOESN'T FLY, then feel free to do so, but you really should seriously consider walking away from this hobby and instead focus your outrage on any number of other worldwide issues that are much more important.
I agree, thanks, Nick! And what boggles my mind about these complaints, is that the issue concerns a part of the model that is not really seen. Unless, of course, collectors display their models upside-down.

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Russ, Nick,

I do respect your points of view, and I can even accept comments á la 'LMAO' which, to be honest, is a simple proof of your lack of knowledge concerning international markets, business mentality and trading policies. What I stated above is the retailer's obligation and the customer's rights here in Europe... and guess what: businesses are still existing, even run with great success ALTHOUGH we, the evil European collectors, are entitled to what we are paying for: a product in undamaged condition upon delivery. Lucky you, Nick, I guess you were right out of business over here with your "no responsibility at all" attitude. That's an American mannerism.

Long story told short: I am glad to be living in Europe, having a completely different kind of retailers - and legal rights - available. This makes model collecting an even bigger pleasure.
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Long story told short: I am glad to be living in Europe, having a completely different kind of retailers - and legal rights - available. This makes model collecting an even bigger pleasure.
So can I safely assume you bought the model from a European retailer, you have now returned the model to them at their expense, and they are getting the factory to make you a new one with perfect wings and will ship it back to you at their expense in the name of customer service when it is done?

I didn't think so.

I bet your retailer would take the model back and refund your money. And probably resell it to someone that didn't mond the flaw, return it to the distributor, or eat the cost himself and sell the model as damaged if the defect is bad enough. This one isn't IMHO. That is no different from what is being said here.

Again I ask the question of every one. Can you think of one single time a model has had a defect, was returned to the manufacturer, sent back to the factory, corrected, and then reissued at mostly the dealer's expense? It just doesn't happen and that IS the point.

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It's not a matter of "do you believe or not". I agree that the regular 'garage seller' - who is more common over in the US than on this side of the pond - with rather low sales (and orders with the manufacturers) has no real power to change things. Businesses such as AMS in the Netherlands, ARD of the UK, or ACB in Germany are something completely different. They have their word and, yes, they can change things (and have done in recent years); plus, some of them are connected to the one or another manufacturers ownership, stressing their influence.

All in all: yes, renowned retailers CAN do!
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I don't claim myself "renowned" but I do return whatever dissatisfied items to suppliers easily. They simply make replacements or refund if no stock. Not a problem at all. I never want to transfer risks to others; and don't need to. I think there are valid consumers protections in US and European countries. I don't know so please correct me if there aren't good enough
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It's not a matter of "do you believe or not". I agree that the regular 'garage seller' - who is more common over in the US than on this side of the pond - with rather low sales (and orders with the manufacturers) has no real power to change things. Businesses such as AMS in the Netherlands, ARD of the UK, or ACB in Germany are something completely different. They have their word and, yes, they can change things (and have done in recent years); plus, some of them are connected to the one or another manufacturers ownership, stressing their influence.

All in all: yes, renowned retailers CAN do!
Can you provide a single example of a dealer returning a run of models getting them corrected and re-released? That is the question.

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Here's the thing...it's a really, really small defect. It's so small that you have to literally zoom in with a camera and then take a second to see it. It's also under the wing. It's not like a paint smudge on the side of the fuselage. It's really not that big of a deal. Should IF have done it? OK, considering that they charge a lot more, I will say no. Is it a deal breaker? For me and I suspect many others, no.
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It may be a tiny defect for some collectors or even "flawless" in the eyes of one well known member. But the point is it shouldn't happened, right? We have no choice but may accept those printing errors, assembly flaws...etc. But this kind of behaver is “on purpose” to cut the costs, don't tell me they don't know when they put the wings on So why dealers/retailers/sellers/buyers have to suffer the lost in case of a replacement?
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It may be a tiny defect for some collectors or even "flawless" in the eyes of one well known member. But the point is it shouldn't happened, right? We have no choice but may accept those printing errors, assembly flaws...etc. But this kind of behaver is “on purpose” to cut the costs, don't tell me they don't know when they put the wings on So why dealers/retailers/sellers/buyers have to suffer the lost in case of a replacement?
Why? Unfortunately because that is just the way it is.

I suspect for the collector, the real issue is a model that is close enough to the original that they want to have it in their collection. And maybe a history of the brand to try to produce accurate models in the first place and make corrections to future models going forward. I think right now, JCW excels in this regard.

For the retailer, I imagine the real issue is the cost of the return shipping.

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... Lucky you, Nick, I guess you were right out of business over here with your "no responsibility at all" attitude. That's an American mannerism....
Your comments continue to expose just how delusional and misinformed you are. I have been selling to customers in over 30 countries for over 20 years now, and I have always taken full responsibility for my customers satisfaction which is still why I am one of the top internet retailers of airliner models in the world and will continue to be so regardless of your petty and dismissive comments.

Please take your condescending and elitist Euro attitude and stick it 'you know where'.
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Your comments continue to expose just how delusional and misinformed you are. I have been selling to customers in over 30 countries for over 20 years now, and I have always taken full responsibility for my customers satisfaction which is still why I am one of the top internet retailers of airliner models in the world and will continue to be so regardless of your petty and dismissive comments.

Please take your condescending and elitist Euro attitude and stick it 'you know where'.

Damn right! That's why you are my favorite dealer!
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Your comments continue to expose just how delusional and misinformed you are. I have been selling to customers in over 30 countries for over 20 years now, and I have always taken full responsibility for my customers satisfaction which is still why I am one of the top internet retailers of airliner models in the world and will continue to be so regardless of your petty and dismissive comments.

Please take your condescending and elitist Euro attitude and stick it 'you know where'.

Nick, please do not descend to this guy's level, I've had the opportunity to do business with you and have nothing but praise for your great prices and warm customer service. This guy is talking non-sense and anyone who can read between the lines can figure this guy's full of himself... (wonder if that is a euro thing too)

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Can you provide a single example of a dealer returning a run of models getting them corrected and re-released? That is the question.
First off, Charlie, this rather is YOUR question and not THE question of this thread. All I can say is that I know several renowned retailers who have their say and return damaged or inaccurately produced models to the manufacturer for replacement - that's what I said. And that's what I do expect a good retailer to do (you can also say it's a way of taking over responsibility for his customers). In at least one case I know about a retailer who received a replacement batch of models that had arrived in damaged condition in first place. The replacement lot came about a year after, so I assume it was another production run... but manufacturers will never tell - that's for sure!

Does this qualify as answer to your question? I guess it does. Basically, we all are entitled to our opinion. That's the natural meaning of discussion. I even like to hear the point of view of people like Nick Eberhard or CrownVic even though they aren't really open for... let's say... different points of views. And as you can see in other comments, such as by Icarus... an open-minded view of things isn't made for everyone. Although I never attacked Mr. Eberhard in the first place, some guys think they need to 'protect' him and insult me. Crazy world! Or just a bit narrow-minded?! In the land of the free some are somehow 'more free', I suppose..

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I've never seen Dac like this...we used to be a bunch of collectors around here, showing off our models, discussing ideas and points of view, but in a well mannered way.
Models were never perfect, nor wil they ever be, thats for sure.
But they are models, representing aircrafts we somehow tend to be more or less attracted to...they are models...!!!
Lately, not sure if under the influence of some members with a nasty attitude, ( maybe comissioned by someone, who knows??,?) who have started to attack other members verbally, abusively, insinuating everybody around here is stupid, etc, and all of a sudden this is getting out of control....people expressing opinions, and right after, comments adressed to those same members which show a lack of social behaviour which is to be expected in a public forum to say the least, not to mention in everydays life...
Politics behind a hobby...sordid moves and shameless actions going on backstage...some of you know what Im talking about...its very sad to see this going on...And depressing....Dac was not like this... not like this at all.
My new avatar Ive been using for the past two weeks or so shows very well what I mean, a lovely work by Norman Rockwel.
Whos right??, whos wrong?! ...everybody shouting....I dont need this sort of behaviour, it makes me sick.
Menkind really is going down the drain. And some are happy to push the flush button!
Sad, very sad.

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Yep, thats it, .... Thank you for the ride fellows, wish you all a great life!
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I can't see how this would be a deal breaker for anyone, I can barely make out the old registration. If this sort of thing is unacceptable to you, maybe it's time for a new hobby. Manufacturers are in business to make money, not try their hardest to achieve perfect models for a very small faction of prissy collectors. Should Inflight charge 75% more than their competitors for a model made from recycled parts? Probably not. But will the people boycotting this model make an impact on IF's bottom line? Not a chance. The model would still sell out if the wings were all glued in upside down.

I'm very sorry to hear about your preorder OP. I hope you're able to pick one up from somewhere else. Anyone else in the US still need one? Try going here.
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Here's the thing...it's a really, really small defect. It's so small that you have to literally zoom in with a camera and then take a second to see it. It's also under the wing. It's not like a paint smudge on the side of the fuselage. It's really not that big of a deal. Should IF have done it? OK, considering that they charge a lot more, I will say no. Is it a deal breaker? For me and I suspect many others, no.
I agree....I cannot believe its even an issue.

But, if someone is not happy with the model, return it. That way someone else can buy the model.
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I've never seen Dac like this...we used to be a bunch of collectors around here, showing off our models, discussing ideas and points of view, but in a well mannered way.
Models were never perfect, nor wil they ever be, thats for sure.
But they are models, representing aircrafts we somehow tend to be more or less attracted to...they are models...!!!
Lately, not sure if under the influence of some members with a nasty attitude, ( maybe comissioned by someone, who knows??,?) who have started to attack other members verbally, abusively, insinuating everybody around here is stupid, etc, and all of a sudden this is getting out of control....people expressing opinions, and right after, comments adressed to those same members which show a lack of social behaviour which is to be expected in a public forum to say the least, not to mention in everydays life...
Politics behind a hobby...sordid moves and shameless actions going on backstage...some of you know what Im talking about...its very sad to see this going on...And depressing....Dac was not like this... not like this at all.
My new avatar Ive been using for the past two weeks or so shows very well what I mean, a lovely work by Norman Rockwel.
Whos right??, whos wrong?! ...everybody shouting....I dont need this sort of behaviour, it makes me sick.
Menkind really is going down the drain. And some are happy to push the flush button!
Sad, very sad.

Agree with this too.....there should never be name calling or disrespect on the forum. Will we disagree at time? Yes! But we owe each other honor, dignity and respect. Peace out!
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That's the natural meaning of discussion. I even like to hear the point of view of people like Nick Eberhard or CrownVic even though they aren't really open for... let's say... different points of views. And as you can see in other comments, such as by Icarus... an open-minded view of things isn't made for everyone. Although I never attacked Mr. Eberhard in the first place, some guys think they need to 'protect' him and insult me. Crazy world! Or just a bit narrow-minded?! In the land of the free some are somehow 'more free', I suppose..

Over and out.
...I see you read my reply, your problem Madridista is not about anyone questioning your right to express your point of view but your condescending attitude towards retailers this side of the Atlantic. Many fellow bloggers have already expressed the old registration on the wing is not a big deal. You're not buying a Rolex. I certainly don't have to prove you anything cause you already proved you're the narrow minded one here. I am not defending anyone. I simply don't like your presumptuous-conceited-I-Know-better-than-anyone writing style. However; I do understand you old world people with your old world mentality.
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People who are passionate about things, whether it's airplane models, cars, politics, or sports, are going to...surprise!...express their opinions when they feel strongly about something. It therefore shouldn't be a surprise when someone in this forum points out flaws in a model. I, personally, welcome it when they do. It helps me make informed choices about how to spend a portion of my disposable income (which I am fortunate to have). I think we all have different tolerance levels when it comes to flaws in models. I find that my tolerance level is lower when the model is of a plane that I have a particular interest in, knowledge of, or emotional connection to. In other cases, I may find a certain flaw totally acceptable, most likely because I am not as familiar with the real thing. Sometimes that means that some of my fellow DA.C would cringe at the thought of me buying a model that, say, had cheatlines that were too low or cockpit window too high. Does buying those models make me an idiot? Or am I an idiot for not accepting flaws that some would consider minor? Or does it even matter? It's all a matter of perspective.
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It doesn't make anyone an idiot, it doesn't make anyone wrong. It is just differences in opinion. We are mostly passionate about our models, and that is a good thing. And passionate arguments are fine imho.

I do have to agree with Retroguy on one thing. A difference in opinion shouldn't ever degenerate into personal attacks because someone doesn't agree with you. That really bothers me too.
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I can see anger and cross fire between members. Let's return to OP's questions. OP's supplier found the problem and didn't supply him the model. Some members here found the same problem. Some say they would accept it and some say no.
There are tiers of responsibilities. The main lies on Inflight. They should ensure their products are of highest quality. The found problem was mainly a production process mishandling. Their line managements were sleeping. Down to retailers, OP's retailer has taken out duly actions to protect its customers.
Doing business is not always win. Losing money is easy if you don't manage risks well. Items damages and return shipping costs have to be put on risks table. Losing money can be recoverable. Losing customers may lead to shut down of business.
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It doesn't make anyone an idiot, it doesn't make anyone wrong. It is just differences in opinion. We are mostly passionate about our models, and that is a good thing. And passionate arguments are fine imho.

I do have to agree with Retroguy on one thing. A difference in opinion shouldn't ever degenerate into personal attacks because someone doesn't agree with you. That really bothers me too.
I agree! Civility above all!
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Wow!

I find it sad to establish that a simple post which obviously attracts replies relevant to the post, very quickly turns into a pissing contest from which there can be only losers. Respect and civility were "forgotten".

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Wow!

I find it sad to establish that a simple post which obviously attracts replies relevant to the post, very quickly turns into a pissing contest from which there can be only losers. Respect and civility were "forgotten".

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I hate to break the news to you people but Inflight doesn't make anything! Every model they sell, like every model Gemini sells, is made by Chinese owned and operated manufacturing facilities. In most cases - The Same Facility! The models are made for very little money (far less than you think)
really! we thought they were made in Everett....

i think it may be time for me to take the same exit door as Rui...
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WOW what world are you living in??? Sounds great if you are enrolled in "economics of a small business 101"! this is 2015 not 1965!!

If that retailer followed your advice they would be out of business within a year..A good retailer would say to the customer Ill take it back here is 100% of your money back.. Next re sell it to the next person waiting in line and disclose the issues fully and then say how lucky he or she is to get it and sell it for more money Thats exactly what I would do...thats the definition of what a smart or "good" retailer would do..

sending a model or models back in protest will only get laugted at
A really smart retailer would inspect the stock upon delivery and if the the models are defective ship them right back to the wholesaler and refuse to pay the invoice, or better yet, inspect the stock before accepting delivery. I worked as a stockboy back in high school, this stockroom 101.

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I'm sorry "DC-8 dude", I forgot that since you neither fly nor work on aircraft, an idiot like you may have believed that Inflight and Gemini got their models from Everett (especially those nifty Airbus ones!)
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Everyone's level of acceptance is different. If there is a problem, there IS a problem..... Just ask yourself if you can accept, for example, a Cathay Pacific 747 with "Nxxxxx" on the bottom of the wing.

It's really interesting that some members like to pick small issues to blame certain manufacturers but at the same time somehow do not allow other members "picking" issues,(even if it is really an isssue), showing a double standard.

If this forum is really a free environment, anyone can "pick" anything to say.
Then every one go on discussing with their standpoints and reasons. And then it's up to each member to judge what is good and what is bad. That's how a forum works.
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Yep, thats it, .... Thank you for the ride fellows, wish you all a great life!


Come one Rui !! Come back!

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Checked in a store yesterday, and if you hold it at a certain angle under the light then yes, you can see the paint over. Otherwise, wouldn't even notice it was there.
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I'm sorry "DC-8 dude", I forgot that since you neither fly nor work on aircraft, an idiot like you may have believed that Inflight and Gemini got their models from Everett (especially those nifty Airbus ones!)
Not bad for someone with only two posts.
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