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Old 12-31-2014, 07:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi Guys ! Sorry for starting another thread on this model. But I just hand to correct the orange on the wings on the beautiful model. So I would like to thank Mike at Vintage Flyer Decals who rescaled his lovely AA CV-990 decal for me. Very happy with the results. Let me know what you guys think ?
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how did you get your AA990 stateside already?

as far as the fault with the orange under the wings... that is a minor issue to me as i will never notice it when displayed. the grey wraparound is the worst IMO followed by the "brojet"... or was that a "strojet" ???
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look nice, but more models come this year, year of the Dog!
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Always thought the CV-990 was an interesting machine, like if the 707 and DC8 had a baby, that would be it lol.

I must say though, the chrome looks amazing on that aircraft
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"Hot" models you have there...just becareful they dont turn too hot
Have them all, but not brave enough to tweak with them, just like you did !
You brave man
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look nice, but more models come this year, year of the Dog!
What models are you talking about Model maker!?
Anything retro!? or another 777 !?
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Sure is a nice model.
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Got one today, it's a tail dragger, won't sit up on the nose gear. The orange stripe down the fuselage bows out over the wing. The carrots on the rear of the wing are curved down at the tips, like fangs. The grey ubdercoat on the right side lower fuselage carrys over all the way over and up the left side.

Other than that it's [email protected]%King beautiful.

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Got one today, it's a tail dragger, won't sit up on the nose gear. The orange stripe down the fuselage bows out over the wing. The carrots on the rear of the wing are curved down at the tips, like fangs. The grey ubdercoat on the right side lower fuselage carrys over all the way over and up the left side.

Other than that it's [email protected]%King beautiful.
Just noticed those things on the model I received today, too. The cheatline is too low, otherwise it wouldn't have curved out the way it does near the wing mount of the leading edge.
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Just noticed those things on the model I received today, too. The cheatline is too low, otherwise it wouldn't have curved out the way it does near the wing mount of the leading edge.
You are correct, and there is no excuse for any of these errors. I was able to get the model to sit on the nose gear by removing the main gears, filing the base plate to a slight angle and then re-glueing them on. While I was doing that I noticed the orange aileron trim has been painted onto the outboard engine pylons. sooooo, either the wing is too short, or the engines are not mounted in the proper location, or the ailerons were scribed wrong, take your pick or maybe all of the above.

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Luckily, mine sits level, it doesn't try to imitate a DC-3. The International Orange on the pylons and the wrong application/angle on the ailerons is unfortunate. This is a model that I had on pre-order for 10 months, I think that's record for me. They had enough time to get it right. Look how Gemini churns out so many releases without anywhere near as many accuracy issues. Oh well.
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Got one today, it's a tail dragger, won't sit up on the nose gear. The orange stripe down the fuselage bows out over the wing. The carrots on the rear of the wing are curved down at the tips, like fangs. The grey ubdercoat on the right side lower fuselage carrys over all the way over and up the left side.

Other than that it's [email protected]%King beautiful.
What's a carrot? in terms of a airplane. That's a new one to me
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These carrots were specific to the Convair 990, they were named Küchemann carrots and Mr Küchemann was a Convair engineer .

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What's a carrot? in terms of a airplane. That's a new one to me
Similar to canoe fairings or flap track fairings using on modern jets.

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I would like to add a few comments.

The canoes and the Küchemann carrots don't fulfill the same function.

The "carrots" were aerodynamic devices carefully designed and specific to the CV 990, they were intended to reduce the drag when approaching mach 0.80, that way, it was possible with a "reduced" drag, to increase the speed.
I understand that the CV 990 was able to cruise at M 0.91 …
Initially these carrots were supposed to carry fuel but because of vibrations, the project was abandoned.

The canoes are fairings housing the flaps mechanism, they have no other function.
They reduce the drag too, but on modern aircraft, flaps are extended rearward before lowering.
Doing that, you increase the wing area … and the lift, the drag increase is almost nothing, you also make a slot between the flaps and the wing and again you increase the lift.
All this is very ingenious.
The mechanism is complex and takes a lot of space under the wings, particularly when you have triple slotted flaps (B 747).
Hence these fairings called canoes.

There was no canoes on B 707s, DC 8s and Convairs.

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Jean Pierre mon cher, i'll say it again....you're a well of information! you just dont pretend to know, ...you know, period!
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I do not believe the outer portion of the trailing edge of the wing is an aileron as on other airliners, but American painted them as though they were to be consistent with the rest of the fleet. However, if Inflight carried the orange into the area of the pylon that is incorrect.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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You are right, the CV 990 did not have ailerons on the outer wings.
It only had "high speed" ailerons.

I explain and make a comparison with the B 747.
On a B 747-400, you have inner ailerons and outer ailerons.
The outer ailerons are activated when the speed of the aircraft is below 232 kts and when the flaps are extended.
Above 238 kts, and when the flaps are in, these ailerons are blocked and only the inner ailerons (and some spoilers) are used.

Why this ?
To prevent an excessive roll rate at high speed and provide a good handling in roll at low speed.

The CV 990 had only "high speed" (inner) ailerons between the inner flaps and the outer flaps (between the two carrots).

I don't want to offend anyone, but unfortunately, too much of a rush about this model, some guesswork, no attention to the documents which were brought to the forum and we were told "everything will be corrected" ...

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I don't want to offend anyone, but unfortunately, too much of a rush about this model, some guesswork, no attention to the documents which were brought to the forum and we were told "everything will be corrected" ...
So who is the official appointed Inflight spokesperson who said that everything would be corrected on this forum.
Does Inflight have a representative here or on all the numerous other diecast forums out there?

If not, then how much power does that person who told you that have then to make statements on their behalf?

Then, if they can't make statements on Inflights behalf, then why do we give them any credence in that matter and why do we blame Inflight?

Just some questions which springs to mind.
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I would like to add a few comments.

The canoes and the Küchemann carrots don't fulfill the same function.

The "carrots" were aerodynamic devices carefully designed and specific to the CV 990, they were intended to reduce the drag when approaching mach 0.80, that way, it was possible with a "reduced" drag, to increase the speed.
I understand that the CV 990 was able to cruise at M 0.91 …
Initially these carrots were supposed to carry fuel but because of vibrations, the project was abandoned.

The canoes are fairings housing the flaps mechanism, they have no other function.
They reduce the drag too, but on modern aircraft, flaps are extended rearward before lowering.
Doing that, you increase the wing area … and the lift, the drag increase is almost nothing, you also make a slot between the flaps and the wing and again you increase the lift.
All this is very ingenious.
The mechanism is complex and takes a lot of space under the wings, particularly when you have triple slotted flaps (B 747).
Hence these fairings called canoes.

There was no canoes on B 707s, DC 8s and Convairs.

Jean Pierre.
They are similar since both are designed for drag reducing and not doing the same function for sure. The Fowler flap used on B747 is one of the genius design on this aircraft. Moreover, they don't have many computers in 1960s, the CCAs do the caculations, in conjunction with bellcranks & levers, served as FCCs using on model jets.
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You are right, the CV 990 did not have ailerons on the outer wings.
It only had "high speed" ailerons.

I explain and make a comparison with the B 747.
On a B 747-400, you have inner ailerons and outer ailerons.
The outer ailerons are activated when the speed of the aircraft is below 232 kts and when the flaps are extended.
Above 238 kts, and when the flaps are in, these ailerons are blocked and only the inner ailerons (and some spoilers) are used.

Why this ?
To prevent an excessive roll rate at high speed and provide a good handling in roll at low speed.

The CV 990 had only "high speed" (inner) ailerons between the inner flaps and the outer flaps (between the two carrots).

I don't want to offend anyone, but unfortunately, too much of a rush about this model, some guesswork, no attention to the documents which were brought to the forum and we were told "everything will be corrected" ...

Jean Pierre.
Also limit the twisting force/structral load on outer wing, weaker structures if compare with inner wing.

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Jean Pierre, I think I have read correctly, do you think that the model comes with outer ailerons ?!
The INFLIGHT200 CV990 has NO outer ailerons " carved" in the wing mould, as can be clearly seen in this picture of the Spantax.



It is therefore correct, what happened here is different, someone got carried away with the tampo printer and that orange/red and went over the area allowed for a correct look!
But in terms of mould, the wing is correct.
You should see that for yourself when your SilverBullet lands there! ;-)
They got everything just fine on the Air France, sadly the AA showed up like this. Still, a great looking model in my opinion.
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Rui, the model is right, three view drawings show clearly that the real aircraft did not have ailerons on the outer wings, only between the carrots.

I admit I am a little severe in my statements, but despite assurances from Inflight, they did not make a proper use of the available documents for this AA Coronado.

That said, the model is still great and you are right, what I have seen of the AF model is simply superb.

I think I have to say a big thank you to someone …
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Ok so I broke away from my Delta Airlines pattern and put in a order for the AA CV 990. Can't wait to get it. Will be the forth AA plane I have.
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...just be careful, Gabe, dont open the box outside under direct sunlight!
You'll love it, in spite of those little " things"...
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I don't collect much other than Delta and the occasional one that catches my eye. The box is for sure a nice added touch and I think that stand it screams that era also. The little things don't bother me much as I realize nothing is perfect. Retroguy your pics on the other thread really made me go and order this. Good job with them.
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well.... i finally got my long awaited AA 990. unfortunately, it is missing one main gear wheel. i contacted my retailer, but haven't heard back as of yet. i was wondering though... what are the chances of IF having extra wheels for this new mold?
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well.... i finally got my long awaited AA 990. unfortunately, it is missing one main gear wheel. i contacted my retailer, but haven't heard back as of yet. i was wondering though... what are the chances of IF having extra wheels for this new mold?
You might be better off contacting IF200 directly, via their website. They have been exceeding good to me, all three times I have contacted them regarding defects on their models. One had broken front gear upon delivery, another had a missing wingtip antenna, while the third was missing a top fuselage antenna. They responded promptly, and mailed the replacement parts directly to me. I applied a drop of glue and presto! problem solved.
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Does anyone else's plane sit crooked on the stand?
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well.... i finally got my long awaited AA 990. unfortunately, it is missing one main gear wheel. i contacted my retailer, but haven't heard back as of yet. i was wondering though... what are the chances of IF having extra wheels for this new mold?
Very often, the manufacturer is the best partner to deal with.
In one circumstance, for a missing propeller shaft, I received a new model.

But I have to say that in a similar case, missing wheel, I received from the retailer the full landing gear.

I am confident that your problem will find a solution.

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