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Old 12-05-2014, 06:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello all: I appreciate the fact that this is being released. I guess IF and Gemini share the CV880 mold? Sadly for me, being on a limited budget, this is not the Delta colors I was hoping for. (I can't afford two different Deltas.) Yes, I know, so what?! IMHO, the "Crown" colors are so much more complimentary. So I live in hope the "Crown" 880 will be released one day. Thank you!
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I can relate because I to have a limited budget for my hobby. I also agree that the first c/s is superior to the more recent c/s. My guess is that in time IF will release the aircraft in the first c/s. Unlike the DC-8 and B-707, there are far fewer carriers that flew the 880. Therefore, IF and Gemini, and whoever else will maximize their investments in the mold by issuing as many different carriers as the market can handle.

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Old 12-05-2014, 08:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Good point.I have preordered this one, but crossing my fingers for a delivery colours like in that postcard.
And if INFLIGHT200 releases that one, I bet theres going to be a lovely box too!
Im also looking forward to those latin cargo liveries too!
And later a TWA with that big black nose too!
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So far, nobody has reacted to my comment in the thread related to the Gemini releases.
This model is very nice but do you all agree with the emergency escape ways over the wings ?
Unless I am wrong, all the planes were retired by 1973.
Escape ways were mandatory in 1972 and it was not done overnight.
I agree that this detail can make the model much nicer but I am afraid that this is not really representative of what the plane was during its service life.
I have been unable to find any photo showing a Delta Convair with emergency escape ways …

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So far, nobody has reacted to my comment in the thread related to the Gemini releases.
This model is very nice but do you all agree with the emergency escape ways over the wings ?
Unless I am wrong, all the planes were retired by 1973.
Escape ways were mandatory in 1972 and it was not done overnight.
I agree that this detail can make the model much nicer but I am afraid that this is not really representative of what the plane was during its service life.
I have been unable to find any photo showing a Delta Convair with emergency escape ways …

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I just did some searching around myself and couldn't find any photos either.

Anyway, the escape way mandate couldn't have been for all aircraft, right?
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Anyway, the escape way mandate couldn't have been for all aircraft, right?

Yes, you are right, but usually a time is allowed for an airline to make the necessary modifications.
It cannot be made overnight, you cannot ground all the fleet of an airline, it can take months ...

Technically, when there is an airworthiness directive, a plane can be allowed to fly a few days or a few hours before modification.
In some cases the plane can fly without any modification.

If I remember well, the Concorde was allowed to fly without TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System).
In crowed airspace, the TCAS is the best friend of the pilot …


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Old 12-06-2014, 04:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Jean Pierre, they probably found a picture like this one;



http://cdn1.airplane-pictures.net/im...7/7/223641.jpg

And went ahead and did it!
Im just saying....glad Inflight didnt print these over wing exits on their TWA Convair880!!!
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You could be right, but all things considered, I think it would be better to ignore this detail.

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When was this DL frame taken out of service for DL? Before or after the wing exit markings were required?

Is this the first 1/200 880 with the markings?

Anyway I love this Widget scheme on the CV880 and I'm going to take it anyway knowing there is a chance that this frame had the markings while flying for DL. Right?
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So far, nobody has reacted to my comment in the thread related to the Gemini releases.
This model is very nice but do you all agree with the emergency escape ways over the wings ?
Unless I am wrong, all the planes were retired by 1973.
Escape ways were mandatory in 1972 and it was not done overnight.
I agree that this detail can make the model much nicer but I am afraid that this is not really representative of what the plane was during its service life.
I have been unable to find any photo showing a Delta Convair with emergency escape ways …

Jean Pierre.
Hi This is the first time Ive seen this thread, seeing the model on the gemini web page, was looking at the model and thought then something did not look right, and of course its the escape walkways, I personally don't think they were on there, but not 100% shaw, but I think it would look better without, reminds me off the BOAC B707 delivery scheme they done the same thing, they certainly did not have them, would it cost a lot to put a set of these in a box with the model, so you could choose for your self.
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Old 12-06-2014, 01:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=KRASAIRIL62;1141456]When was this DL frame taken out of service for DL? Before or after the wing exit markings were required?

Post deleted...... my bad, misunderstood KAs question, thought he was referring to Retroguys attachment.

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Perhaps GJ200 will remove them before shipment, as I recall the photos of releases tend to be pre-release shots.
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Old 12-06-2014, 01:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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IF200 should do a desert boneyard scheme just like the photo that Rui posted. Otherwise, I am holding out for the all-white golden crown scheme- the first airplane that I ever flew on.

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Old 12-29-2014, 08:53 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:30 AM   #15 (permalink)
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It is a shame that this was released with the wing emergency exits. The regulation for wing exits was written in 1972 and required compliance for all passenger carrying commercial aircraft by the start of 1973. Jean Pierre was correct when he said new regulations take some time to implement, but I believe all of the Delta 880's were retired by the end of 1972, and would not have had the over wing exit markings.

Not only is this a detail that is easily verified through pictures, it was also pointed out numerous times on this forum.

Sad, very sad.
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Again, a manufacturer had the last word …

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Old 12-29-2014, 12:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:45 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The regulation for wing exits was written in 1972 and required compliance for all passenger carrying commercial aircraft by the start of 1973. Jean Pierre was correct when he said new regulations take some time to implement, but I believe all of the Delta 880's were retired by the end of 1972, and would not have had the over wing exit markings.
According to the Delta Flight Museum, Delta's Convair 880s were sold to The Boeing Aircraft Company from November 1973 to January 1974.

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After seeing the pics of the actually model. I am going to jump on this. I also wish they will do the Crown livery. As for the exit markings. Anyone looking at my model is not going to have any clue when exit markings where mandated and if it should be on this particular model or not, yes I will know because of somebodies post on this and it will not bother me one bit. Its still a nice model and will go well in my Delta collection.
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Old 12-29-2014, 04:52 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Over wing exits aside, why have they painted the undersides of the wings grey?
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According to the Delta Flight Museum, Delta's Convair 880s were sold to The Boeing Aircraft Company from November 1973 to January 1974.

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But that still begs the question of when they were removed from service, usually not the same date they were sold. I believe they were removed from service in 1972. Maybe someone who knows can confirm or deny.
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Still hoping for this Delta: I know, beggars can't be choosers.
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For what its worth, Airliners.net has a picture of a Delta CV 880 at JFK in full "Widget" colors dated 7 Oct 1973.
That being said, some of you may not recall a collision between a NCA DC-9-30 and a Delta CV880 at O'Hare in Dec 1972. The DC-9 was a total loss with 10 casualties, the CV880 sustained damage to its Tail and horizontal stabs.
Several passengers on the 880 were injured when they went out the over-wing exit in the fog and darkness and went off the wing at the leading edge. It is possible that Delta painted the over-wing exit onto the wings of their 880's prior to their sale to Boeing, so as to ensure a good public opinion of the aircraft. It is also possible that Boeing required it prior to the sale to be in compliance with the FAA mandate.

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All we need to make a valid judgement is pictures.
All gemini need to make an accurate model is pictures of the real aircraft showing what we see on the model.

These grey wings are suspect too.

Gemini, please, do you have an answer ?

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Over wing exits aside, why have they painted the undersides of the wings grey?
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All we need to make a valid judgement is pictures.

These grey wings are suspect too.

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I think the gray wings are not so bad.
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Thank you aki, nice picture !

A photo like this cannot lie, I am very pleased that finally this detail is accurate.
That's all that matters.

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Thank you aki, nice picture !

A photo like this cannot lie, I am very pleased that finally this detail is accurate.
That's all that matters.

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My understanding is that the 880 was retired by DL at the end of 73.
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