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Old 07-21-2014, 10:56 PM   #1
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I just picked up the JAL 747SR (BBOXJAL0414P)...this is the 16th 747 in my collection and 19th model in my entire collection. This is my third model I purchased this year (awaiting the JAL CV880!). Just a few thoughts on the livery and the mold itself…

First, in my mind this is just a re-release of the other JAL 747's. I think you have to be pretty mental or a huge fan of JAL 747's to pick this up if you already have JA8101 (BBOX1313) and/or JA8161 (Jet-X VLJAL001). Given there are so many options of colorful JAL liveries, I'm not sure why they keep making this (probably for crazy people like me…or licensing issues?)?

I guess this is officially called the 747SR-46? I don't know nearly enough about the SR-46 to know the physical differences between it and the regular 100 (are there any?). I can tell you that the model is 100% the same as the other classic JAL 747's. I think we all know what this model looks like, so I'll go right into the details.
  • They still have not fixed the main "tsurumaru" logo…it looks closer to the current logo. Notice in the model, the "J" and the "L" is not quite right when compared to the real one. I guess this is minors...only hard core fans will take notice.

    Note the shape of the "J" and "L" is slightly different (on a side note, this was taken at the "old" New Tokyo International observation deck...back then it was all heavies from all over the world! Trust me, it wasn't always full of JAL's. Not sure if it's still open, but I know only parts of that terminal still remains):
  • Now this, in my opinion, is wrong. JAL registrations on the wings don't quite look like this. I guess most collectors won’t take notice of this? It bothered me a bit when AV200 (AV2744002) did it right on the 747-400:


    Now I know it's right to compare it against another model, but I don't have a good photo of JAL's wing registration. You have take my word on this, the real wing registration is closer to this (from AV200 JAL 747-400):
  • I checked most of my old photos and, it's hard to tell, but the "hinomarui" was not applied under the left wing. It may have at one point in time, but I just don't have any evidence that shows it. The model has it under the left wing:

    I know it's not the best photo, but the "hinomarui" mark is not there...only the registration:

    And another...all the photos I have only show the "hinomarui" mark under the right wing, not the left (aren't 747's awesome?):
  • When I first purchased JAL 8101, I noticed that the registration on the body was in the wrong place. Now I know JAL put the registration on at least two different areas...either to the left or to the right of the aft door. I don't believe this is correct:

    The correct location (look at the old Garuda heavy! Good stuff...):

    I think (?) JA8124 and JA8161 has it on the proper location:

    I'm not sure what dictated the location of the registration...I have photos of JAL SR's, 100's, 200's, and 300's with the registration both areas:

It's not all bad...there's things I like about this model. To be cont'd...

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Perhaps no one else has make a comment on your thread because the images can't be watched. Fix the links and then you can received feedback about your model.

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Great writeup Dondi! I really like this release, and i hope to acquire one in the future, so I'm glad to read that this model seems abundant in the diecast market. You have an eye for detail and i hope you post more like this in the future. Despite the flaws, this one falls under my "must have" list... These 747's bring back memories of visiting the international terminal at LAX, and actually being at the gate to greet our relatives when they arrived! Thanks for sharing with us!
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Wow, now that I can watch the pictures I can get your point. Well the only thing that would bothers me could be the wrong printing of the registration. The font used on the tail fin looks quite good but as you let us know, the J should have a different edge.

Leaving aside those minor flaws, the model is really nice. You should share pictures showing the entire plane. I will give you a good advice, it doesn't exist a perfect model, try not to focus in flaws and admire the model as it is.

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Leaving aside those minor flaws, the model is really nice. You should share pictures showing the entire plane. I will give you a good advice, it doesn't exist a perfect model, try not to focus in flaws and admire the model as it is.

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I'm not sure what the issue is with the photo links (I didn’t change anything)? Yes, my post will be very confusing without the photos!

As for the photo of the model, this and other like it have been posted many times already. I know “Dai Kong” has posted great photos of JA8101 when it was first released. JA8124 (BBOXJAL0414P) looks nearly identical, except for the “Nihonkoku” marks over doors 1L and 1R and "no step" markings on the elevators.

What is considered minor differs for everyone, but I think it helps to identify errors so people can make their own judgement (keep in mind, I'm FAR from an expert on JAL history, 747's, both 1:1 and 1:200 scale...I just have tons of photos I took when I was young and a few 1:200 models). I take the flaws as a "learning event" and don't necessarily feel cheated or “ripped off”; I absolutely understand, nor expect toy companies to produce, 100% flawless models (e.g. the 1/200 Young America is a bit of a mess, but I think it looks good and has been a part of my collection for years now). I realize it’s EXTREMELY difficult to create a highly complex three dimensional object from two dimensional plans, elevations, and sections.

How would you categorize this error? On the new mold, there are more details on the engines and corresponding pylons which I really like. Unfortunately, like the recent Inflight IF7410213A (AA 747-100) which I understand uses the wrong engine pylons, the wrong ones are used for this SR-46. They just re-used the pylons from the JAL 146 model. What's interesting is that the correct pylons exist and have been used many times on 1:200 747's...for whatever reason, the manufactures chose to use the wrong ones.






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Great posts Dondi! I am not very knowledgeable of the 747, but your observations about the outer engine details and pylons is very useful. This is the stuff that teaches us more about the aircraft and the models we collect, especially to determine how good the moulds are...


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I just picked up the JAL 747SR (BBOXJAL0414P)...this is the 16th 747 in my collection and 19th model in my entire collection. This is my third model I purchased this year (awaiting the JAL CV880!). Just a few thoughts on the livery and the mold itself…

First, in my mind this is just a re-release of the other JAL 747's. I think you have to be pretty mental or a huge fan of JAL 747's to pick this up if you already have JA8101 (BBOX1313) and/or JA8161 (Jet-X VLJAL001). Given there are so many options of colorful JAL liveries, I'm not sure why they keep making this (probably for crazy people like me…or licensing issues?)?

I guess this is officially called the 747SR-46? I don't know nearly enough about the SR-46 to know the physical differences between it and the regular 100 (are there any?). I can tell you that the model is 100% the same as the other classic JAL 747's. I think we all know what this model looks like, so I'll go right into the details.
  • They still have not fixed the main "tsurumaru" logo…it looks closer to the current logo. Notice in the model, the "J" and the "L" is not quite right when compared to the real one. I guess this is minors...only hard core fans will take notice.

    Note the shape of the "J" and "L" is slightly different (on a side note, this was taken at the "old" New Tokyo International observation deck...back then it was all heavies from all over the world! Trust me, it wasn't always full of JAL's. Not sure if it's still open, but I know only parts of that terminal still remains):
  • Now this, in my opinion, is wrong. JAL registrations on the wings don't quite look like this. I guess most collectors won’t take notice of this? It bothered me a bit when AV200 (AV2744002) did it right on the 747-400:


    Now I know it's right to compare it against another model, but I don't have a good photo of JAL's wing registration. You have take my word on this, the real wing registration is closer to this (from AV200 JAL 747-400):
  • I checked most of my old photos and, it's hard to tell, but the "hinomarui" was not applied under the left wing. It may have at one point in time, but I just don't have any evidence that shows it. The model has it under the left wing:

    I know it's not the best photo, but the "hinomarui" mark is not there...only the registration:

    And another...all the photos I have only show the "hinomarui" mark under the right wing, not the left (aren't 747's awesome?):
  • When I first purchased JAL 8101, I noticed that the registration on the body was in the wrong place. Now I know JAL put the registration on at least two different areas...either to the left or to the right of the aft door. I don't believe this is correct:

    The correct location (look at the old Garuda heavy! Good stuff...):

    I think (?) JA8124 and JA8161 has it on the proper location:

    I'm not sure what dictated the location of the registration...I have photos of JAL SR's, 100's, 200's, and 300's with the registration both areas:

It's not all bad...there's things I like about this model. To be cont'd...


I have done some searching on google......Seems the position of the reg is correct for the JA8101
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Great posts Dondi! I am not very knowledgeable of the 747, but your observations about the outer engine details and pylons is very useful. This is the stuff that teaches us more about the aircraft and the models we collect, especially to determine how good the moulds are...

Keep em' coming!
Trust me, I do NOT know much about the 747 either so don't take my information as absolute fact! Remember, believe it or not, everything on the internet is not always true.

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I have done some searching on google......Seems the position of the reg is correct for the JA8101
Thanks for re-quoting my ENTIRE first post. No, I don't believe the registration is correct for the livery and time frame. The Blue Box 1/200 JA8101 represents the plane as it was in the very early 90's after it was changed from the Japan Asia livery (not when JAL first took delivery of the plane) because of...the engine pylons. I believe the position of the registration as well as the engine pylons, and possibly the engines themselves, were changed after it was returned from JAA.

Look at this photo here: link

Look at the position of the registration and the engine pylons compared to the photos you found. The bottom line is that both JA8101 and JA8124 models appear to have noticeable flaws. I hope this makes sense...
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