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Old 08-15-2013, 09:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey Guys,

I normally regret posting photos of new models here but here I go again...

First Gemini Plastic model arrival. Model comes with a generic plastic stand however it works very well with the 1/400 scale metal stand.

















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Some plastic models have a finish that look almost like metal. The wings of this model from the pictures look more like what they are - plastic. The control surfaces on the vertical stabilizer look relatively well engraved and defined. However the wings flaps and spoilers do not look as well defined. The nose gear looks low budget. But, I take it these are significantly less expensive than their metal counterparts?
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But, I take it these are significantly less expensive than their metal counterparts?
Around $29 at most retailers. I also expect to see some improvements as time goes on with any product line.
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Do you have pictures for the August 1:400 models?
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Do you have pictures for the August 1:400 models?
Yes please do share these
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Apart from the crap looking landing gear, it looks fine. You get what you pay for.
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Is there a gear-up option? If you can't see the gear, the gear wouldn't look bad.
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Looks very plasticky.
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Looks very plasticky.
I agree. I won't be buying any of that line. Metal only, for me.

(I have a Herpa 747 sitting next to an IF one, and I can see the difference from across the room. Plastic = cheap)
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Very intresting model (apart nose gear). I hope to see it in some european liveries.
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The plastic model series would do great at the souvenir shops in airports across the country, as well as any shops that sell model airplanes, and a great start for any entry level collector.
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We will just have to see what we can do when the model arrives.

The nose gear can probably be fixed by replacing the tire with Bee's Models replacement tires, or the whole wheel with a Hogan 737 nose gear tire. I thought for $30, I would be adding antennas, but it looks like I will be screwing around with the nose gear instead.

The rest of the model looks pretty descent. I have to keep reminding myself how high pixel photography can accentuate every flaw.

The paint looks nice, very crisp, and the wing markings look great. I would be interested to hear Jetboy 787's opinion of how the model is 'in person'.

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hmmm...if ever GJ makes a plastic T7 would it have the right engine mould??
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Now I remember why every time I post stuff here I regret it.

Not everyone can afford to blow the money on 1/200 diecast models, for someone who has a budget of $30 dollars its a great option for them, the entire purpose of these.

I'll keep my early pictures to various Facebook groups going forward.
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I agree. I won't be buying any of that line. Metal only, for me.

(I have a Herpa 747 sitting next to an IF one, and I can see the difference from across the room. Plastic = cheap)
Considering one is around double the price as the other, makes sense to me.
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Now I remember why every time I post stuff here I regret it.

Not everyone can afford to blow the money on 1/200 diecast models, for someone who has a budget of $30 dollars its a great option for them, the entire purpose of these.

I'll keep my early pictures to various Facebook groups going forward.
Which I recommended months ago.
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Now I remember why every time I post stuff here I regret it.

Not everyone can afford to blow the money on 1/200 diecast models, for someone who has a budget of $30 dollars its a great option for them, the entire purpose of these.

I'll keep my early pictures to various Facebook groups going forward.

Its hard to ignore these people, thanks for the pictures...for $30 this is a great display model. For $30 you get a nicely detailed model with some nice printing on the model as well. Only the gears leave much to be desired for the price.

Id keep posting if I were you, its nice to see some useful content among the steaming piles of useless comments that are littered through DAC.

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Looks very good, i wasnt expecting antennas and beacon lights. That black stand looks like the one i got from a YourCraftsman 1:400 A380 which means this model could fit on a Phoenix 1:400 stand too. I agree that the wing engravings could be improved. Overall its a nice model for that price range!
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This model is nice, and looks pretty detailed (except for the crap landing gear).
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Now I remember why every time I post stuff here I regret it.

Not everyone can afford to blow the money on 1/200 diecast models, for someone who has a budget of $30 dollars its a great option for them, the entire purpose of these.

I'll keep my early pictures to various Facebook groups going forward.
Ignore them, it's a nice model, especially for the price. In this economy, more people (Including me) would probably go after those types of models.
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At first sight, it looks good. I like the panel reliefs at the wings and stabilizers. Here we have the real product of this new "Gemini Premium Plastic", we shouldn't ask to much for now. It is the first of its kind and perhaps in a near future we could see any improvement about quality, I am talking about the landing gear in specific (I noticed it came already attached to the model).

For what it is, it looks pretty decent and I am considering getting one just to shake out the curiosity. I see a new serious competitor to Hogan, Herpa, and Skymarks, no doubt of it. Hope to see more of this line of models pretty soon.

Thanks for sharing.
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Really? What a stupid conclusion to make. Have you ever held a PLASTIC Herpa Premium in your hands? Ever seen the kind of results a skilled modeler can achieve with a PLASTIC kit? It's not necessarily the material that determines quality, it's the production process and how much time and money the manufacturer is willing to invest. I've stated many times on this forum that more precise and true-to-scale details are achievable with plastic compared to metal. Strangely though, most people here seem to think that just because most of the nicer models we see these days are diecast metal that metal is superior to plastic. That's just faulty logic, though.

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Now I remember why every time I post stuff here I regret it.

Not everyone can afford to blow the money on 1/200 diecast models, for someone who has a budget of $30 dollars its a great option for them, the entire purpose of these.

I'll keep my early pictures to various Facebook groups going forward.
Dude, really? Some negative but fair criticism and you get so butthurt about it? We understand that there may be a market for this new plastic line, but members on this forum tend to be the hardcore minority of collectors, and thus pine for higher quality, more accurate models. The GJ plastic line isn't for me, either, but I'll cede that at least this DL 73W has more detail than a typical Hogan. What kills this model for me, however, is the ultra thick and obvious scribing for control surfaces on the wings and tail. And as has been mentioned numerous times, the sh*tty landing gear. That said, if some improvements are made to the plastic line down the road, and some must-have subjects are released, I may consider picking up a few. Of course, that's only if the price stays at the $30 mark. I'm sure some collectors here are aware of how GJ200 prices have crept upward steadily over the years...
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Its main issue is the same as Herpa---only painting SOME parts, and leaving other parts "plastic molded in color" That always looks bad. Plastic covered in paint, looks pretty much identical to metal covered in paint. Go look at your car for a good example---it's usually almost impossible to tell the plastic parts of the bumpers and fenders and roof from the metal parts---because they're all covered in the same paint, and that's what you're actually seeing.

If the wings were painted with grey paint, they'd look the same as metal wings with grey paint. But being simply "glossy grey plastic"---they look like plastic of course.
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Its main issue is the same as Herpa---only painting SOME parts, and leaving other parts "plastic molded in color" That always looks bad. Plastic covered in paint, looks pretty much identical to metal covered in paint. Go look at your car for a good example---it's usually almost impossible to tell the plastic parts of the bumpers and fenders and roof from the metal parts---because they're all covered in the same paint, and that's what you're actually seeing.

If the wings were painted with grey paint, they'd look the same as metal wings with grey paint. But being simply "glossy grey plastic"---they look like plastic of course.
Excellent points, David. One can make the same argument using the 787 as an example. This is a REAL airplane that has carbon reinforced PLASTIC parts. You'd be hard-pressed to tell which parts are plastic and which aren't on a painted 787. Comparing a 787 to a typical aluminum fuselage airliner, you can't see a difference.
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Fellow,
How heavy is the model?
Does it come with "hollow" fuselage or "solid-resin" fuselage?
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Dude, really? Some negative but fair criticism and you get so butthurt about it?
Far from it, it's more just sad in my eyes thats all, I couldn't honestly care less what people on here think. It's more just a "buzz kill" when something new, that I actually like, is pretty much sacrificed when its compared to models 5x the price. I like to try to get pics up of the new models as quickly as possible because I enjoy it but not much point to it I suppose!
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Now I remember why every time I post stuff here I regret it...
I think it's great when pictures of all models get posted, both high end and low end. The critiques are great too, as long as it doesn't get personal.

For example, if someone points out "that landing gear looks cheap" or "that landing gear lacks detail", then that's ok. If someone said "that landing gear looks cheap, I can't believe you like that model! Your taste in collecting models sucks!", then that would be out of line.

Thanks for supplying the pictures jetboy, keep em coming!
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Far from it, it's more just sad in my eyes thats all, I couldn't honestly care less what people on here think. It's more just a "buzz kill" when something new, that I actually like, is pretty much sacrificed when its compared to models 5x the price. I like to try to get pics up of the new models as quickly as possible because I enjoy it but not much point to it I suppose!
We all appreciate your pics, like Flydenfeld said. Also, you are essentially contradicting yourself by getting all out of sorts because of the criticism, then stating you don't care what anyone here thinks.
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We all appreciate your pics, like Flydenfeld said. Also, you are essentially contradicting yourself by getting all out of sorts because of the criticism, then stating you don't care what anyone here thinks.
I don't take it personally against myself, it just turns into feeling like a waste of time thats all.
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I don't take it personally against myself, it just turns into feeling like a waste of time thats all.
I understand what you're saying, but it's not a waste. Pics like this are what make the forum useful, and allow collectors to decide what to spend their money on and what to avoid. And to be fair, it seems like the response here to this model is about 50/50 positive and negative.
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It resembles a Hogan model quite a lot i feel. Not sure if I would part with $$ for this even if it was in Qantas or Virgin colours. For a few dollars more I can have a diecast example.

I agree totally that this line of models would be great for airport shops and general hobby shops as its a great entry level model or something for a super detailer to get their teeth into!!!
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For a $30 model, I think it looks great!! I hope GJ will produce older liveries and aircraft in plastic, for those of us who have no problem with plastic models.

Thanks for the photos and congrats on the new arrival!
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Nice model! Love the box design, I think this is great competition and detail for Gemini against Hogan and etc. Waiting for my local hobbystore to get them in stock!
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Excellent points, David. One can make the same argument using the 787 as an example. This is a REAL airplane that has carbon reinforced PLASTIC parts. You'd be hard-pressed to tell which parts are plastic and which aren't on a painted 787. Comparing a 787 to a typical aluminum fuselage airliner, you can't see a difference.
Exactly why there are no more awesome "bare metal" liveries like AA, soon there are going to be no more metal planes!
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Exactly why there are no more awesome "bare metal" liveries like AA, soon there are going to be no more metal planes!
The AA bare metal scheme is going to be greatly missed.
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Really? What a stupid conclusion to make. Have you ever held a PLASTIC Herpa Premium in your hands? Ever seen the kind of results a skilled modeler can achieve with a PLASTIC kit? It's not necessarily the material that determines quality, it's the production process and how much time and money the manufacturer is willing to invest. I've stated many times on this forum that more precise and true-to-scale details are achievable with plastic compared to metal. Strangely though, most people here seem to think that just because most of the nicer models we see these days are diecast metal that metal is superior to plastic. That's just faulty logic, though.
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Plastic vs Diecast...no contest to the potential of detail, plastic wins, hands down.

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I don't care what hardcore diecast collectors think , I personally, don't have hundreds of dollars to buy expensive heavy metal models, but I do have enough to buy the cheaper plastic counterparts, which IMO are level if not better in accuracy and detail. That's the thing , everyone thinks plastic = cheap, but the amount of skill and detail you can achieve with plastic, far surpasses that of metal, and that is why I stick to these brand, I have a few diecast models , from Gemini jets etc.. But most of my collection is mostly Herpa and hogan, and I shall collect these new Gemini plastic models too, so personally I, gonna stick with what I'm doing, because as far as I'm concerned the quality and detail is great for the price, and not all of us have hundreds of dollars to spend.
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How much is Gemini Plastic Jets 1/200 ?
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I agree with all of you who favor plastic vs. diecast metal. However, the problem for me is, I mainly collect models of older airframes (L-1011, B727-200, B747-100/200, etc.) of vintage liveries, the majority of which are not available in plastic. I wish they were.

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This is strange, this is £39 on the Airspotters.com website, but for £42 you can have the same thing in diecast, surely plastic should be a lot cheaper?
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Now I remember why every time I post stuff here I regret it.

Not everyone can afford to blow the money on 1/200 diecast models, for someone who has a budget of $30 dollars its a great option for them, the entire purpose of these.

I'll keep my early pictures to various Facebook groups going forward.

Please don't be discouraged so quickly. (And which Facebook groups can you recommend?) Photos are always appreciated as a valuable decision aid.

And I personally have started to take criticism voiced here of individual models more lightly, especially pre-purchase. If I like it, I buy it. But yeah, it sucks if you like something and then feel it is bashed.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:54 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Default Re: Gemini Plastic Delta 737-700 arrival

Seems like an good model to me, but are the engines on this 737-7 wrong? They more resemble a 737-3 with the flat bottom??
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Default Re: Gemini Plastic Delta 737-700 arrival

There are upper and lower VHF Antennas if you look closely at Jetboy's last pic. The printing appears to be on par w/ diecast releases. So what if there isn't an APU exhaust nozzle poking out the tail and the landing gear struts aren't perfect.

Jetboy, Do you have any pics of the MLG and wheel well area? Did they get the outbd wheel covers right? And is there provisions for gear up inflight display?

This is a first run release of this model type with hundreds to follow and increased QC and mould adjustments I'm sure, or it will just become another GJ 250 series that never catches on, who knows? I however, think it's great that GJ's are listening to us the consumer and fellow collectors on a budget (I know I am) to lower product price point and allow us to continue collecting, build fleets of our favorite carriers and also provide entry level collectors to start collecting with relatively the same high quality we demand now in the diecast products.

Well done GJ's and thnx Jetboy for sharing. Looks like I need to call Nick again hehehe..........
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