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Old 07-31-2013, 12:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I made my annual visit to the Museum of Flight in WA yesterday, and to my surprise and delight found this model for sale in their gift shop. Its the "Sprit of Everett" with the various logos of airlines that placed initial orders. I've wanted this one for a long time, and it fits nicely with my increasing lineup of classic 747s (the AA one also arrived today). So, here's a shot of the model (which is to the usual IF standard, which is to say its terrific). Not my best photographic effort.




Then, I went outside and spent some time with the real thing, which was quite sad, really. "Spirit of Everett" is in quite appalling shape, and it seems fairly clear she will never fly again. I spoke to a museum volunteer, and he too expressed dismay at her condition. This topic was discussed as part of a previous thread, but I thought I would add a few shots, taken yesterday afternoon, to this one. I think this particular airplane, whose significance to commercial aviation cannot be understated, should be restored and preserved indoors, not allowed to deteriorate out in the weather. Here she is now. Have a look, and perhaps shed a tear.











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Shame she is taken better car of.
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They need to fix that up!
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Very nice model and you are lucky.

The prototype of the Caravelle was left outside at Paris Orly for many years and finally, she was scrapped ...

Fortunately, two Concordes, F-WTSS and F-BTSD are kept indoors at Le Bourget, but of course, it has a cost ...

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what a shame, and a sad view...Boeing should take better care of that aircraft, for what she meant to the history of the company, and to the world as a revolutionary airliner for the time !You were lucky to find this one, one of Inflights best releases !
the old original B747 mould, with proper "landing lights" lenses in the wings, sturdy landing gears, proper wheels and tires...I purchased two at the time, couldnt resist


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Yes Rui a fantastic model, the one I should have bought before it was too late.
I am very pleased that some of us, still have this opportunity.

There are still a few planes that made history and that I would like to see ...

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Agree with the too sad condition- saw her 6-7 years ago and she was sad looking then.

too bad things aren't any better-sigh
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Yes Rui a fantastic model, the one I should have bought before it was too late.
I am very pleased that some of us, still have this opportunity.

There are still a few planes that made history and that I would like to see ...

Jean Pierre.
Mon cher, eventually we'll see them before our time ends...look at all the models showing up these days that I even had no idea I would see, nor even buy!?!...
the Convair 880 is coming soon, fingers crossed shell be a blast
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What a travesty. Boeing should demonstrate their pride in having designed and built this incredible machine by showcasing her properly, under cover. They should fix her up, then preserve what they can of that original paint job. Spend whatever it takes. In another fifty years, that airplane will be an antique.

There's a similar situation at Duxford in the UK, several classic airliners left outside to the elements, slowly rusting away in the English countryside. Damn shame.
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yes, especially theAmbassador, shes now finished, but...outside aswell...
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Yes Rui a fantastic model, the one I should have bought before it was too late.
I am very pleased that some of us, still have this opportunity.

There are still a few planes that made history and that I would like to see ...

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The museum gift shop still has one for sale, it is displayed in a glass case near the entrance. Cost was about $250 USD. If you are interested, maybe they will ship it, or another DAC member/friend could pick it up for you.
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Thank you my friend.

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Who actually owns that airplane? The museum or Boeing? If that aircraft is now a permanent display piece I to am surprised they leave it in that condition. I know these things sit outside in the Pacific Northwest, but surely they could be kept in a little nicer condition. Imagine if that AA 727 was all cleaned up and polished to a mirror like finish. That would look amazing!!
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I understand that Boeing still owns "Spirit of Everett", and it is on loan to the museum. It was last used for engine testing during the 1990s, I think. You would think that such a significant aircraft would be kept up, particularly with all the many thousands of retired Boeing employees living in the PNW, they would have access to a huge pool of highly skilled volunteers. If Boeing kicked in the supplies and parts, I'm sure they would have no trouble getting people to volunteer their time to return her to a pristine condition.
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Oh, so sad to see her in that condition.

This is one of those aircrafts that should be kept in a preservation program merely because her history. First of its kind and all the legacy she left behind, the program 747 still operating

I have never been in the US and don't know why this aviation icon has been in the outside for so many years. Perhaps due aircraft size but that wouldn't be the reason to keep it in so terrible conditions. At least they could give her a painting maintenance, minimum.

Thanks for sharing your new model and the pictures of the real aircraft.

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Jean Pierre (and anyone else interested in this model),

There are currently 5 of them for sale on eBay, ranging from $139 to $239. Strange to see so many for sale at one time. Anyway, lots of choices for the buyer. There are, as many are probably aware, two versions of this model of the prototype 747, one with airline liveries, and another without.

Happy shopping!
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Thank you.

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Positively shameful. Boeing has the money. Shame on you Boeing.
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Nice presentation wu6fiend. Thanks for sharing with us... Beautiful model, beautiful aircraft despite the neglect... The birth of the Jumbo Jet was obviously forgotten.

This one should be hangared in the Smithsonian or a large flight museum, maybe even converted into a restaurant to serve inflight style meals brought to you by waitresses dressed in vintage flight attendant uniforms from various airlines of the past. The days of flying the friendly skies could be re-lived.

This model is justifiably close to becoming a must have in my collection...
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I have some confusion about this aircraft and I am hoping someone can clear it up. Is this plane, N7470, currently displayed at the Seattle Museum of Flight actually the first B747? My thought is that it is not because if you look closely at some of the pictures of the upper deck, you can see at some point this plane had multiple windows, not just three, and then these were plugged to make it appear to be an original three-window version. Of course, it could be the first, which later had more windows cut-out, but then later again plugged, but I do not know. Anyone have the skinny on if the roll-out and City of Everett are two different aircraft or one that went through a series of upper deck window modifications? Thanks.
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This plane is actually the first 747. Here are better shots of the forward fuselage, showing the three passenger windows on the upper deck. Also a shot of her reg. number.

According to an old website I found, the Museum planned (note the past tense) a partial restoration (spot painting and reinstallation of engine cowlings) and to add test equipment (water ballast tanks) to the interior, with the long term goal of opening the interior up to visitors once the plane was housed in a building. Looks like nothing has happened (except further deterioration) since then.

All of the planes (with the exception of Air Force 1) in this outside airpark are in increasingly poor shape.







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Wu6fiend,
Here are links to two other shots. One showing the aircraft with multiple upper deck windows, and a second showing they were clearly plugged. If this is the actual number one roll-out version, then at some point it was retro-fitted to added more upper deck windows and then "restored" to original 3-window appearance, OR, it is not the same aircraft and regisration was changed.

Photos: Boeing 747-121 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

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A sad sight indeed. Seriously, would it break the bank at Boeing, to restore this grand lady to her original state? C'mon Boeing, get a grip
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This thread inspired me and I was lucky enough to get one on ebay over the weekend. (It should be here early next week)

Shame the real one is not in better shape.

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This thread inspired me and I was lucky enough to get one on ebay over the weekend. (It should be here early next week)

Shame the real one is not in better shape.

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I don't think these are as difficult to find as they once were and patience pays off. I would guess the Roll-out version was slightly more popular that was the City of Everett, but many collectors got both. I wish I still have my 1:400 version.
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I don't think these are as difficult to find as they once were and patience pays off. I would guess the Roll-out version was slightly more popular that was the City of Everett, but many collectors got both. I wish I still have my 1:400 version.
I agree, they are not hard to find, but getting one for $157 is what made it sweet.

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Here are links to two other shots. One showing the aircraft with multiple upper deck windows, and a second showing they were clearly plugged. If this is the actual number one roll-out version, then at some point it was retro-fitted to added more upper deck windows and then "restored" to original 3-window appearance, OR, it is not the same aircraft and regisration was changed.

Photos: Boeing 747-121 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

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Huh. That's very interesting, it does look like "City of Everett" had, at one time in her past, a full compliment of upper passenger windows (I believe the standard number was 10, up from 3, once the upper area was converted to seats instead of the upper lounge on the first 747-100s). As a test bed for 747 improvements, it seems plausible that Boeing would convert her first, and then changes would extend to the production 747 models. To be honest, I never noticed the plugged windows when I was photographing her. I have seen a paperback book on the subject of the 747s development, and would like to read it one day. Maybe another DAC member has this book, and maybe the window question would be answered therein.
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Cut that thing up and make it into beer cans
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Found the book online, its by Joe Sutter, one of Boeing's engineers in the 1960s. I've ordered it. If he mentions the window issue, I will update this thread.
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Thank you wu6fiend for starting this tread. Not only did I get inspired to locate one of these models, but after learning more about the museum it seems only fitting to plan a visit. (going in October) The model itself is a real looker. Rui's picture put me over the top. Anyway, here she is....(forgive the poor pictures, I was just so eager to share)



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Happy for you, this is a MUST in ones collection, be it 1:200 or 1:100, its an iconic aircraft no doubt! And one of Inflights best releases ever! Sort of "Old School" diecast!
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IF should release an authentic version that looks just like the real thing: all beat up and faded! Or maybe you could just kick it around a bit.

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Thanks Rui.... Next week I'll see what I can do with a better camera.
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If it had arrived damaged....
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Huh. That's very interesting, it does look like "City of Everett" had, at one time in her past, a full compliment of upper passenger windows
If you look closely at the first picture, you can see that the added windows (1,3,4,6,7,9,10) are all just dark paint. Swissair used this effect on their plugged windows as well.
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how much does it cost to build a hangar that would house that plane?
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More than the MoF has.

What's worse is the fully restored B-17 (restored by WWII Vets and former emplyees from back in the day to original dwg specs) and partially restored B-29 rotting away in the NW weather while they just built a new building (million$ of Wa state tax payers money) to house a Shuttle trainer for the space exploration displays.

N7470 Truly a must have for any 1:200 collection (;D)
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BCA donated RA001 to the museum years ago and has no connection to the MoF.
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More than the MoF has.

What's worse is the fully restored B-17 (restored by WWII Vets and former emplyees from back in the day to original dwg specs) and partially restored B-29 rotting away in the NW weather while they just built a new building (million$ of Wa state tax payers money) to house a Shuttle trainer for the space exploration displays.
When I visited, I noted how much the space program material has taken over the museum. That part of the collection seems to be growing by leaps and bounds, while aircraft deserving of much better care are left to rot outside. The museum seems to have some strange priorities, particularly that very expensive building totally devoted to the Shuttle trainer. I think BA should be incensed at how their Concorde is being treated.
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Just read a very interesting article in today's Seattle Times. The "City of Everett" has now received some long overdue attention, and is being restored to test flight condition. A team of volunteers have been sourcing missing parts, replacing broken and worn bits, and the plane recently received a gorgeous new paint job. She will get new tires, and will ultimately be displayed under a huge new $125 million dollar roof (in the construction phase), to protect her (and the rest of the planes now currently stored outside), from continued exposure to the cold PNW rain. While she will never fly again, it will be great to one day be able to tour the interior of this historic plane, the only one of the original four test aircraft to survive, and the plane that Boeing entrusted its future in. Its been a while since I had a day at the museum, so I will have to head down again this summer.
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Wow glad to hear that!
That airframe has got to be one of boeing's most historical pieces.
Would love to visit her one day.maybe in a decade's time when i can finally afford to :-D
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That IS good news! Please keep us up to date.
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I would love to see the restored City of Everett, hope you can post some pics sometime when the project is completed
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