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Old 07-05-2013, 08:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How many people believe it is true when older models are on sale and advertised as "never displayed and only opened to take photographs" and sold as new models.

I have never understood the new criteria. When is a model used? When it leaves the warehouse, or the shop, or the box, or when it's on display?

Doesnt really matter to me what it is advertised as, as long as the model is in good condition and fits the description.

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I think people who don't display their models are fools. Why buy the model if you aren't going to look at it and enjoy it.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Interesting and valid inquiry.

I believe that once a model has left it's original owner = it's a 'used/pre-owned' model.

The model can only officially be called 'new' when the collector has purchased it from the retailer who ordered it from their distributor (excludes collection/pre-owned sales that the retailer has advertised).

If the original owner decides to sell their 'new' model, and advertise it as 'brand new' condition, due to the model only seeing the day of light twice (1st opening to inspect the model is A-OK on the original day it was purchased, and the 2nd opening to take photos for selling the model) I have no problem with that. I stress = brand new "condition".

However, I think that a model that is purchased from another collector falls into the 'used/pre-owned' category and should not be classified as 'new'.

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Old 07-05-2013, 09:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hi:

I think sometimes that kind of descriptions are more like "place the bate and wait for the bite" sometimes is better to follow the hunch than a misleaded description. Try everytime asking for pictures about the model, be very persistant. If the seller refuses to do so, for me is more than obvious he is not telling the truth. No photos, no deal.

All depends in treats and manners, either way to ask or descript the things. Also try to keep this in mind, nobody want to give away their own models so easy. Specially when it is a very limited model.

I try everytime to be honest while selling and describing a model. For me, there is no point trying to cheat on someone else. Nowadays, buying online is more secure than 10 years ago but still some few jerks around.

That's my point of view.

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Old 07-05-2013, 10:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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"Never Displayed" and "Out of Box for Photo Only" join the other two most overused sale terms..."Sold Out" and the ubiquitous, "Rare".
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i dont trust those sellers but i buy from them taking it was displayed but in good condition now
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:43 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Good point T7, as long they they stress the condition is like new and not new.
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I still have quite a few models that are in "never displayed" condition. Why? Because I purchased them new and didn't have a display case to display them in. lol Took them out of the box, took photos for my flickr page, put them back in the box and into the closet they went.

Once I'm settled in Seattle, I'll be able to finally buy a case to display them, but I do still plan to sell off about half of what remains.

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Old 07-06-2013, 03:10 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I recently sold models on ebay that I listed as brand new. They were in fact brand new as many were received as gifts from family, that never got removed from their boxes because they didn't fit my criteria. So in my case, my models that were listed as Brand New were in fact brand new. If I have any that have been displayed, I label them as used since that is technically correct.
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:43 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, Im part of the fools as mentioned above!
As I have had other priorities in life, but didnt want to miss
Some model releases only because i dont have a proper display cabinet to show them
You guys can trust me if I come up selling and stating theyve only been out of the box for photographies...which most of you should know by now!
But this fool is about to be part of the enlightened collectors, ive designed a glass cabinet
And found the guys to do it....so stay tuned...
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I recently sold models on ebay that I listed as brand new. They were in fact brand new as many were received as gifts from family, that never got removed from their boxes because they didn't fit my criteria. So in my case, my models that were listed as Brand New were in fact brand new. If I have any that have been displayed, I label them as used since that is technically correct.
Interesting take, and if you 'never' removed the models from the box = I can see why you would list it as 'Brand New'. You have some excellent SELF CONTROL to not be curious and open those aviation model gifts; I know I couldn't !! I may have to update/revise my statement above to also include = Once your fingers actually touch the model that your purchased new or received as a Gift = consider it USED/Pre-Owned!! Cheers! T7
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Interesting take, and if you 'never' removed the models from the box = I can see why you would list it as 'Brand New'. You have some excellent SELF CONTROL to not be curious and open those aviation model gifts; I know I couldn't !! I may have to update/revise my statement above to also include = Once your fingers actually touch the model that your purchased new or received as a Gift = consider it USED/Pre-Owned!! Cheers! T7
I sense some sarcasm from this post! But if I assure you that if they are listed as Brand New, then they are in fact, brand new. I find no reason to lie in a listing by describing an item as New or Used. To me, that has less impact in comparison to describing the condition of the model and the box.

But in the future, I suppose I should not say they are brand new.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I sense some sarcasm from this post! But if I assure you that if they are listed as Brand New, then they are in fact, brand new. I find no reason to lie in a listing by describing an item as New or Used. To me, that has less impact in comparison to describing the condition of the model and the box.

But in the future, I suppose I should not say they are brand new.
Nope, no sarcasm intended. I actually will side with you, based on your interpretation of what you considered 'new'. If someone gave me a model for a gift, but I had that model already in my fleet/collection. I would actually state that the model was a duplicate given to me as a gift, model was never removed from it's box (I think buyers will agree on that selling point, based on you having the model already). I would have no qualms selling it as "Brand New". Because, I would actually show a photo of both duplicate model boxes next to eachother to the potential buyers.

This relates to a Baby Bjorn carrier I purchased off Craigslist a few years back, the seller stated it was brand new/never used = due to receiving it as a baby shower gift and the reason she was selling it = she was also given a duplicate Baby Bjorn carrier. I went over to purchase the baby carrier, and it was still in it's original manufacturer's packaging and I saw the other duplicate baby carrier (the one she kept) on her couch. I really lucked out and saved 80% off the retail price!!

Hope that clears things up for you? Cheers! T7
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:08 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I have some models, that are not on display due to space limitations. Does it mean that if I can't display it I shouldn't buy it- of course not.
A model that has never been out of the box IS different to a model that has been displayed. No many of us own airtight display cabinets. No matter how careful we are about displaying models, dust, light (natural or artificial) finger marks etc will eventually degrade any model.
I would buy a New In Box or Carefully displayed model but I would expect to pay more for a New in Box never displayed model than I would for Displayed in a cabinet, smoke free environment.
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I have some models, that are not on display due to space limitations. Does it mean that if I can't display it I shouldn't buy it- of course not.
A model that has never been out of the box IS different to a model that has been displayed. No many of us own airtight display cabinets. No matter how careful we are about displaying models, dust, light (natural or artificial) finger marks etc will eventually degrade any model.
I would buy a New In Box or Carefully displayed model but I would expect to pay more for a New in Box never displayed model than I would for Displayed in a cabinet, smoke free environment.
Phheeewww! And I thought I was the only one out there!
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:21 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think people who don't display their models are fools. Why buy the model if you aren't going to look at it and enjoy it.
Simple as this. We all don't have the space to display endless 1:200 models. When I host an eBay auction that says "never displayed" it means just that, hard as that is to believe for people who devote multiple rooms to displaying models. Some of us have limited space and significant others who keep it limited. For that reason, models do truly sit in the attic never displayed. Sorry if that ruins your conspiracy theories.
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Personally Im not really bothered whether or not the model has been displayed as long as it is in good condition. The only time i would consider a model as 'new' is when they come straight from the retailer(not collection sale) or that the model was sealed(Eg onboard SQ sales).

I believe that models are meant to be displayed and I display(or try to) all of my models in my small cabinet. I think a good way for people with more models than display room is to rotate the models displayed every few months. This will make it seem like you have 'new' models arriving too.
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Delta Airlines: 'I think people who don't display their models are fools." Who's the fool here? Over, Doug
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:18 AM   #19 (permalink)
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iflyha and T7 are correct and I agree.

if I have opened the box of the model and have taken the model out to view , I consider it as used. If I never did that, then it is new. Granted I take all models out as soon as they arrive to check them for damages and enjoy the purchase, however small amount of time it may be , I consider them all used and list them as used.
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There is a term called NOS - New Old Stock, that would meet the criteria of a purchased model that was warehoused after purchase and never displayed.

MIB - Mint in Box would mean never opened or displayed in anyway...no tape or packaging removed.
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