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Old 07-02-2013, 09:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey, I have an emergency, I tried to glue my gemini200 American Airlines 757 engine back on and some glue residue is on the engine, I tried to wash it off but nothin worked, what should I do?, do you know if I can paint over it.
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same thing happenned to me on a herpa a340 model, what type of glue did you use?
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's called SUPER GLUE, it's like a black and yellow and red bottle it's really little
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Here's what it looks like http://www.melodyindustry.com/image/...0glue_5003.jpg
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Just my opinion, but I don't think that this qualifies as an 'emergency'.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Try looking at my other thread, damage and you'll see what I'm talking about
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Now I get it; the 'Damage' thread is connected to this thread.

1. Your engine popped off somehow
2. You decided to do a repair job
3. Too much glue was applied and it spilled over onto the engine
4. You tried to 'wash off' the extra glue
5. That washing did not work
6. As a result = you posted a picture of the engine on your 'Damage' thread.
7. The 'Damage' thread is also connected to your 'G200 AA 757-200' wanted thread.

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Old 07-02-2013, 11:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Yep, you pretty much got it
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Well it seems like this is all your fault. Maybe you should have practiced first before doing an operation on such a rare model.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Gee, thanks :/
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yep, you pretty much got it
Thank you for the confirmation. I was very worried (I went into RED Alert status) earlier when you posted the pic of the damaged engine; because I have the same model in my 1/200 AA fleet. Now I've turned off my RED Alert sirens and my anxiety level has returned to zero. T7
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:00 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well it seems like this is all your fault. Maybe you should have practiced first before doing an operation on such a rare model.
Yep, nail on head there.
And I'm going to red alert status because I thought this was a "let's all blame a schitty ebay seller" thread but instead it's just a "schit happens" thread and I feel let down!
valium, valium...
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Yep, nail on head there.
And I'm going to red alert status because I thought this was a "let's all blame a schitty ebay seller" thread but instead it's just a "schit happens" thread and I feel let down!
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Hmm. I thought the same thing about a possible shady seller on ebay or the DAC. I was curious, so I asked the collector if he recently purchased the model; his reply = Nope ( seller scenario out the window).

Then I thought it might be a paint defect with the AA 757-200 = which would set off alarms with anybody who has this model in their fleet. It was not only till later when you pieced together the 3 separate threads and by his own admission (unsuccessful repair work) that everything was cool with the actual model.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:23 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Finger nail polish remover usually removes super glue residue. Give it a go.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I tried, but it only made it worse
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:41 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Finger nail polish remover usually removes super glue residue. Give it a go.
I would be very careful with that because it can also remove the paint. Super glue its great is super small amounts. Hope you get it fixed =(
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It would take less time and effort to buy another model.

We have all learned a hard lesson or two about which adhesive works better in different situations, and this appears to be a valuable lesson for the poster.
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:12 PM   #18 (permalink)
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When work with models either metal or plastic, NEVER EVER use super glue or CA. Always use white glue. The bond is not strong but there is no need for it unless you play with the model. Your engine needs to be sanded down then repainted. I can repair for you free of charge if you wish. DP
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:48 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Great!!! Thanks!!!
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:41 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Next time use a limited amount of two part epoxy that has a long enough pot life that your not rushed and allows for repositioning and that will clean-up with isopropyl alcohol (not as intrusive as nail polish remover......aka Acetone) if excess squeeze out is an issue or a misdirected droplet should land anywhere.

As far as the declaration of an in-flight engine emergency, there's no way to squawk 121.5 to the tower to get clearance to turn back. The damage is done.

Hopefully, maybe you can mechanically remv the glue and reprint the nacelle via airbrush or steady brush dipped in the closest match. Possibly doing some weathering to mask the spot? Sorry I haven't looked at the "Damage" thread to get the full scope and detail of the discrepancy.

Edit: IMHO after seeing the "Damage" thread article, Sanding smooth and repainting the nacelle looks like the best option short of an engine change from a donor aircraft, which may lead to further damage during the remvl process.

Does anyone know of the matching paint codes for mfgr's like Testors, Tamiya or equivalent to those used by GJ's?

Any hobby shop dealer should be able to supply you with the necessary paints and materials needed to refinish/refurbish Engine 1's nacelle to like new.

Good luck man, and show us how you repaired it

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if its just that white powdery residue then it should wipe off with your finger and water, however if its the glue itself then well not sure there is anything you can do without damaging the paint
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:12 PM   #22 (permalink)
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When work with models either metal or plastic, NEVER EVER use super glue or CA. Always use white glue. The bond is not strong but there is no need for it unless you play with the model. Your engine needs to be sanded down then repainted. I can repair for you free of charge if you wish. DP
I've been using CA on certain repairs/mods of my models for years with zero problems. A couple of points to pass along and to remember are:
  • SLOW set CA gel often works best
  • Practice first (dry fit)
  • Get into a real calm state and don't rush. Wait until the wife and/or the kids are out
  • Perfect your techniques FIRST on a cheap diecast 'scrapper' not a irreplaceable model. Pop a wing; landing gear; tail; aerial; and engine and re-glue each.
  • Apply the CA gel with a toothpick (or sewing needle) only to the area to receive the broken off part. This way if you miss, glue doesn't get where it shouldn't, and you have another chance to get it right.
  • For small parts, you may require wearable or '3rd hand' magnification
  • Remember that CA fumes travel UP, so don't let them travel past painted areas or clear plastic. If they do, they can ruin (fog) paint surfaces
Follow those (and practice on a scrapper) and CA will no longer be a challenge.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:29 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I use both CA and white glue.

If it is a load baring surface ( wings, landing gear, tail), you have no good choice but CA. Follow Upkeep's directions and you will be fine. USE an applicator such as a needle. Take the caution about fumes seriously. They can damage a model as easily as the glue.

For antennas, jeweled beacons, or anything that does not carry a load, particularly on painted surfaces, the only real choice is white glue. If you mess up, you can clean up with a damp cloth BEFORE it dries. If CA TOUCHES a painted surface, you have a permanent mark. Period.

White glue also works great to semi-permanently attach landing gear (like on Hogan models). It will hold them, but not so firmly that you can't remove them later if you want.

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if its just that white powdery residue then it should wipe off with your finger and water, however if its the glue itself then well not sure there is anything you can do without damaging the paint
My experience is that the white powdery substance IS the affect of CA fumes and will have damaged whatever painted surface is underneath.
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Great tips Upkeep

I `ll just add a couple
My Wife`s emery boards are great at cleaning up tight fitting tabs etc.
A self-illuminating magnifier with clamp works great at the small scale repairs and are cheap and storable when not in use.
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Great tips Upkeep

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My Wife`s emery boards are great at cleaning up tight fitting tabs etc.
Emery boards are great, as are modeller's sanding sticks from Tamiya (model shops). Both come in different 'grits'.

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A self-illuminating magnifier with clamp works great at the small scale repairs and are cheap and storable when not in use.
If anyone is doing mods/repairs on a more-than-twice-a-year scale, that is most certainly a big help.
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Just my opinion, but I don't think that this qualifies as an 'emergency'.
Was about to post the same thing...
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I've been using CA on certain repairs/mods of my models for years with zero problems. A couple of points to pass along and to remember are:
  • SLOW set CA gel often works best
  • Practice first (dry fit)
  • Get into a real calm state and don't rush. Wait until the wife and/or the kids are out
  • Perfect your techniques FIRST on a cheap diecast 'scrapper' not a irreplaceable model. Pop a wing; landing gear; tail; aerial; and engine and re-glue each.
  • Apply the CA gel with a toothpick (or sewing needle) only to the area to receive the broken off part. This way if you miss, glue doesn't get where it shouldn't, and you have another chance to get it right.
  • For small parts, you may require wearable or '3rd hand' magnification
  • Remember that CA fumes travel UP, so don't let them travel past painted areas or clear plastic. If they do, they can ruin (fog) paint surfaces
Follow those (and practice on a scrapper) and CA will no longer be a challenge.
I have used CA in many situations too. But for someone who is not experienced with working small parts, using CA is asking for disasters in my view. DP
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As far as the declaration of an in-flight engine emergency, there's no way to squawk 121.5 to the tower to get clearance to turn back. The damage is done.
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Okay, I know this is being picky, but it is 'squak' 7700 for an emergency (7600 for 1 minute if you are being hijacked, then 7700) THEM contact the tower on 121.5, or declare an emergency ( Mayday, Mayday, Mayday) on whatever freq. you happen to be on.
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Great!!! Thanks!!!
Send the model to me and I will restore it. DP
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One other tip for broken landing gear (metal)
Try a soldering iron on the strut and the heat conduction can break that pesky glue bond without brute forcing it.
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I have used CA in many situations too. But for someone who is not experienced with working small parts, using CA is asking for disasters in my view. DP
That is why in my post I recommend getting experience. Most can gain this with a scrapper providing they take their time.
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