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Old 02-22-2013, 06:09 AM   #1
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Brand new WM released with the 'minimal' Quebecair livery ; model is only nice (no cowling details, just printed antennas, and an uncredible grey upon silver painting for cockpit/windows!).


On the original plane , belly seems to be grey too, however the plane has a different latest design.


And quite a big problem for an expensive model : a wing and tail ungluded once again


Interresting to know that this plane, c/n 22515 probably still exist, its wreckage lying in a Canadian forest up to 2009.


Finally, nothing to see with the good old WMUK that all had beautiful liveries and details, see the difference with a Bristol 170 G-ANWA that landed same day.


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[QUOTE=DLSAN;1014213]Brand new WM released with the 'minimal' Quebecair livery ; model is only nice (no cowling details, just printed antennas, and an uncredible grey upon silver painting for cockpit/windows!).


On the original plane , belly seems to be grey too, however the plane has a different latest design.


And quite a big problem for an expensive model : a wing and tail ungluded once again


Interresting to know that this plane, c/n 22515 probably still exist, its wreckage lying in a Canadian forest up to 2009.


Finally, nothing to see with the good old WMUK that all had beautiful liveries and details, see the difference with a Bristol 170 G-ANWA that landed same day.

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Brand new WM released with the 'minimal' Quebecair livery ; model is only nice (no cowling details, just printed antennas, and an uncredible grey upon silver painting for cockpit/windows!).


On the original plane , belly seems to be grey too, however the plane has a different latest design.


And quite a big problem for an expensive model : a wing and tail ungluded once again


Interresting to know that this plane, c/n 22515 probably still exist, its wreckage lying in a Canadian forest up to 2009.


Finally, nothing to see with the good old WMUK that all had beautiful liveries and details, see the difference with a Bristol 170 G-ANWA that landed same day.

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If this attached photo is the reference for the model, that C-46 is pretty inaccurate. There is grey under the engines too, yet missing on the model . . . and in this photo the aircraft makes no mention of Quebecair along the fuselage. The flightdeck windscreen on the model should also have had the framing picked out in a much darker grey, and the anti-dazzle panel is missing. That is, of course, assuming that the image above is what Western was working from.

Pity. Lovely looking mould otherwise.
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On the original plane , belly seems to be grey too, however the plane has a different latest design.

Interresting to know that this plane, c/n 22515 probably still exist, its wreckage lying in a Canadian forest up to 2009.

CF-CZH (c/n 22515) was ex-Canadian Pacific Airlines, sold to Quebec Aircharter Ltd in 1958. Sold to Quebecair in 1962 and then passed to North Coast Air Services in 1976. It crashed the following year near Thompson in Manitoba. This photo was taken in 1977 when the a/c was being operated by North Coast. I believe the wing is covering the airline logo painted on the fuselage side.

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CF-CZH (c/n 22515) was ex-Canadian Pacific Airlines, sold to Quebec Aircharter Ltd in 1958. Sold to Quebecair in 1962 and then passed to North Coast Air Services in 1976. It crashed the following year near Thompson in Manitoba. This photo was taken in 1977 when the a/c was being operated by North Coast. I believe the wing is covering the airline logo painted on the fuselage side.

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My pleasure. Thanks for the model photos. Had missed this one appearing.

Does seem to be a common problem with these new C-46s. Am used to fixing the landing gear on old WMs but it looks like these ones arrive as kits!

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Brand new WM released with the 'minimal' Quebecair livery ; model is only nice (no cowling details, just printed antennas, and an uncredible grey upon silver painting for cockpit/windows!).
The cockpit windows should be black or very dark grey, so this is very poor considering there is hardly any other colour to print on the model.
I wish the mould was downsized to 1/400 scale and some colourful liveries done on it. I would buy Seaboard World, Capitol & Lufthansa if they were done in 1/400.
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The cockpit windows should be black or very dark grey, so this is very poor considering there is hardly any other colour to print on the model.
I wish the mould was downsized to 1/400 scale and some colourful liveries done on it. I would buy Seaboard World, Capitol & Lufthansa if they were done in 1/400.
Exactly!

The first photo on the left is rather comical - at first glance it looks like it hasn't any windows at all
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I received mine a week ago and I like the bare metal look of the model.
The Quebecair livery is so subtle that the unusual shape of the fuselage is much more apparent.
About all I knew about the C-46 was that it had bigger engines than the C-47 but when placed next to one another you can see just how much bigger the Curtiss was.

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Old 02-24-2013, 03:22 AM   #11
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My NordAir version arrived in kit form also. Wing and Lg not glued. Stabs glued okay but at odd angles. The complete lack of cowling details and the "printed" antennas (which were prominant on this a/c) makes me wonder why they bothered to produce the mold at all.

Pretty disappointing effort thus far.

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I was very pleased with the announcement of this new model but maybe I expected too much.

Definitely, printed antennae is not a good idea, for future production, it is better to delete this detail.

For the time being, I am not convinced, I wait.

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My Nordair arrived all complete and nothing amiss ! The sun shines on the righteous .

I thought the printed antenna was a tad strange and if anyone can tell me how to wipe it off with safety I'll do so. However that is my only gripe and its certainly not a deal killer. From what I can gather these are in short supply so don't wait for them to be discounted !
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Too bad the quality is so poor; I was anticipating buying a few of these. Maybe later releases will be improved.

The Commando is big! I saw one up close last summer at Oshkosh. It was parked in the warbird area among several C-47s - which it dwarfed.

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Well, was just wondering what the reaction would be if Hobby Master had released a C-46 with blank cowlings (:O).......let's face it, there is a lot of detail missing on this model that needed to be there for it to qualify as a replica. The printed antennas look a little silly, but missing exhausts, etc. on the cowlings is really inexcusable, as is the apparent non-existent QC. I guess Martin B. may make some decals at some point to compensate, but that shouldn't be necessary. I am hoping that Mr. Liu has plans to up the ante and release an actual "detailed" model of the C-46 in future.

Sorry to be so negative, but when I tried to take the model out of the packaging, all I got was a fuselage. The wings just fell off and that had nothing to do with shipping. Just lousy QC. C'mon...........

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To say Western released this model is one thing. To say they did a detailed job is another. I agree with everyone about the lack of antennas (looks like a dildoe without them), engine detail (let's just attach a metal shot cup) and that the cockpit/fuselage window outlines should have been black. Where is the protective gray paint for the underbelly and why did do a glorified chrome release for this cargo plane?

It's tough to research some of these airlines (book, magazine, internet) but I found a pic of this aircraft on Photos: Curtiss C-46F Commando (CW-20B-4) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net.

Western Models is definitely not a prime time player.
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I did it today: I screwed up my newly arrived WM PAA Curtiss Commando. It came with one wing and both horizontal stabilizer disconnected. So decided to glue these parts on the model. The clearance at the wing-body joint is really large, apparently I have applied to much glue. When I turned the plane after the repair, there was a "glass dome" on top of the fuselage .
Managed to scratch it off, however transparent protective paint and some of the decall went with it. Real pity.
So a good reason to return such model and not try to repair myself next time
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Strange to have such a high-gloss finish, even on bare metal. Seems to be both poor initial research and production quality control...a shame, as overall shape seems okay.
Used to have the Western Breguet Deux-Ponts, yellowed decals and all, sold it off to someone who wanted more than I did. Now that I've accumulated a decent collection of 1:200 Air France a/c, sorta wish I still had it.
For any kit-builders out there, F-Rsin make a lot of 1:144 a/c which AF used, mid-1930/s and newer and which are not available in 1:200 diecast. PM me for more specifics or check F-Rsin's website. Lots of interesting a/c.
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Now that I've accumulated a decent collection of 1:200 Air France a/c, sorta wish I still had it.
For any kit-builders out there, F-Rsin make a lot of 1:144 a/c which AF used, mid-1930/s and newer and which are not available in 1:200 diecast. PM me for more specifics or check F-Rsin's website. Lots of interesting a/c.
Don't miss it : recent F-RSIN 1/144 release, very beautiful one! Like many, i just hope to see her one day at 1/200, and ...metal !

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. . . Now that I've accumulated a decent collection of 1:200 Air France a/c, sorta wish I still had it.
For any kit-builders out there, F-Rsin make a lot of 1:144 a/c which AF used, mid-1930/s and newer and which are not available in 1:200 diecast. PM me for more specifics or check F-Rsin's website. Lots of interesting a/c.
I also collect Air France in 1:200 and have a modest group of retro to current.

But for those who want the real interesting stuff, the 1:144 F-RSIN kit is the way to go. The best part is -- if something isn't up to standard, you can fix it yourself! There is no shortage of 'cool' with F-RSIN. They even do several Comet 1's.
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