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Old 11-13-2012, 01:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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for all collectors if it was up to you which one would you rather have ???
personally i would love to see it on the 747-8
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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My vote is for the B747-8.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You could have both, the 747-800 as a replacement for Air Force one and te 787 as a replacement for Air Force two!
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If anybody thinks the US goverment would scale back to a 787 size aircraft for Air Force One you gotta be crazy. I could see AF2 scale up to the 787 But scale down? No way!!
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If anybody thinks the US goverment would scale back to a 787 size aircraft for Air Force One you gotta be crazy. I could see AF2 scale up to the 787 But scale down? No way!!

agreed.

Plus they might want to have the 747 due to the 4 engines, more backup.
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agreed.

Plus they might want to have the 747 due to the 4 engines, more backup.
True.

A twin engine aircraft must be operated according to ETOPS rules, that means that a technical problem on one engine could lead to a diversion and an immediate landing.

On a B 747, you still have three engines left, most often, you can continue your flight to your destination.

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I think they would go for a new B748.. Just like the State of Kuwait.. And like other people say a B787 as AF2..
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The only thing I think the 747-8 would have going against itself is the logistics problems. It would reduce some airports it could go to due to the pure size which could also be a problem in their book.
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I would love to see the B747-8I to replace the VC-25 and the B787 to replace the C-32!
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:42 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I would love to see the B747-8I to replace the VC-25 and the B787 to replace the C-32!
i fully and completely agree........... however i was actually referring to the models it self, but we can still carry on this conversation hehehe i mean if they actually made a fantasy model of both would u get one or both ????
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No fantasy model, I will not buy it
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True.

A twin engine aircraft must be operated according to ETOPS rules, that means that a technical problem on one engine could lead to a diversion and an immediate landing.

On a B 747, you still have three engines left, most often, you can continue your flight to your destination.

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USAF aircraft do not follow ETOPS procedures. Some are similar but refueling capabilities of the VC-25 negate these issues.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:13 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The -200s will be replaced no doubt by another 747. Either 400 or 800. Thrust to weight and other factors will determine the outcome. These are highly modified airplanes.
I spoke with a reporter who flew on air force one during the Bush years on 9/11. He has thousands of hours flying commercially and he told me that the take off to Barksdale was unreal, it actually scared him.
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USAF aircraft do not follow ETOPS procedures. Some are similar but refueling capabilities of the VC-25 negate these issues.

Thank you for these information.
I know that the VC 25 A is a highly modified aircraft.

The problem is not refuelling.
The problem is that if you have an engine trouble on a twin engine aircraft (low oil pressure, low oil level or engine stall) you have to cut off the faulty engine immediatly and this is an emergency situation.
You have no choice but to land ASAP.
Even if you have the US President on board.

That said, I know that government-owned aircraft (including military) do not have to adhere to ETOPS regulations, but common sense must prevail and the Captain in charge of the Air Force 1 cannot take any risk.

Statistically speaking, chances you have to cut off one engine during a flight are very low, but I know too well that it can happen.

So, four engines under the wings are much better than only two.
On ETOPS certified aircraft, everything is redundant ... except the number of engines.

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Your explanation of ETOPS and the duties of PIC are absolutely correct for operation operated under international air carrier operations. The military does not need to adhere to those regulations. Don't forget that ETOPS is a planning, equipment and maintenance related.
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