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I'm not sure that this plane had emergency escape ways on the wings when it was in service.
Jean Pierre.
I'm not sure they did either. I worked Spantax Coronado flights back in the 80s, but I honestly can't be sure that they did'nt, but I would have thought it unlikely.
I have seen a picture of an Air France Coronado, in an all over polished metal scheme. Anyone know the story behind that?
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I'm not sure they did either. I worked Spantax Coronado flights back in the 80s, but I honestly can't be sure that they did'nt, but I would have thought it unlikely.
I have seen a picture of an Air France Coronado, in an all over polished metal scheme. Anyone know the story behind that?
If I remember well, these planes were leased from Modern Air, a US airline based in Germany.
I know very little about this.
You're quite correct, they never had grey wings or emergency escape markings on the wings when in service. This model is supposed to portray HB-ICC as it is now preserved at the Lucerne Transport Museum. The wings and belly have been painted a metallic light grey to preserve them, but the colour and markings on the model are completely wrong.
You can clearly see this aircraft in the Lucerne Museum that has the wing pods painted grey and parts of the wings but no emergency exit walkways even in preservation! Poor research and QC by Witty400!
Thankfully Aeroclassics have released the very same model, HB-ICC, this month with the correct metal/silver wings and belly as it was in service.
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The pic of the Swissair CV-990 brings back memories.Had visited the Lucerne Museum somewhere in the mid 90s and it was a wonderful experience.
This airplane is crying out to be produced in diecast 1/200.
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I got to visit Verkehrshaus der Schweiz and the beautiful HB-ICC in 1996 and yes it was an airplane geek thrill What I remember most was thinking "what a waste of power" with four big jets out on the wings and a narrow DC-9-like cabin... poor Convair, bad bad move (a mistake which I believe Boeing almost made as well)
I got to visit Verkehrshaus der Schweiz and the beautiful HB-ICC in 1996 and yes it was an airplane geek thrill What I remember most was thinking "what a waste of power" with four big jets out on the wings and a narrow DC-9-like cabin... poor Convair, bad bad move (a mistake which I believe Boeing almost made as well)
It's true, I understand that right after the Being engineers returned from Hatfield where they visited the Comet line, they increased the fuselage cross section on their future B 707.
When the Coronados were 6 miles out on approach you didn't need a scope to ID it. The black trail said it all. And upon departure what a climb out ! Happy days at LAP.
It's true, I understand that right after the Being engineers returned from Hatfield where they visited the Comet line, they increased the fuselage cross section on their future B 707.
Jean Pierre.
The original Boeing 367-80 and 377 Stratocruiser had the same fuselage width of 132 inches allowing only four-abreast seating. Boeing increased the width to 144 inches accomodating five-abreast configurations and allowing shared tooling with the KC-135 Stratotanker. However once Boeing heard the airlines were pleased with the extra room in the 147-inch-wide Douglas DC-8 they were obliged to respond by increasing the 707 width to 148 inches - I guess one extra inch for good measure.
Poor Convair just dropped the ball altogether.
The actual numbers were not in my head, had to get it all off the 'net
The original Boeing 367-80 and 377 Stratocruiser had the same fuselage width of 132 inches allowing only four-abreast seating. Boeing increased the width to 144 inches accomodating five-abreast configurations and allowing shared tooling with the KC-135 Stratotanker. However once Boeing heard the airlines were pleased with the extra room in the 147-inch-wide Douglas DC-8 they were obliged to respond by increasing the 707 width to 148 inches - I guess one extra inch for good measure.
Poor Convair just dropped the ball altogether.
The actual numbers were not in my head, had to get it all off the 'net
Thank you, every plane has a story behind it, which is always interesting to know.
Wow what a beautiful model! Was that in the collection you had displayed at the university in Houston a few years ago? It was the most comprehensive collection I'd ever seen and I took pictures (the old fashioned non-digital kind). I've got the photos around here somewhere.
On your 990 the only small and to me unimportant mistake are the black "Swissair" titles and cockpit anti-glare paint. These details should be dark blue. That is the universal mistake with Swissair liveries on model airplanes, I think because in so many photos the blue appears to be black. From an asthetic standpoint I actually prefer the black details - artistic license you know
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Thank you, every plane has a story behind it, which is always interesting to know.
Jean Pierre
And as I think you know Jean Pierre I live for those stories and mundane details! I only recently learned (I think here on DA.C) that the Comet and Caravelle noses are the same? Is that true? It's all good
And as I think you know Jean Pierre I live for those stories and mundane details! I only recently learned (I think here on DA.C) that the Comet and Caravelle noses are the same? Is that true? It's all good [/QUOTE]
It is true.
SNCASE, later called Sud Aviation bought the license.
Graham- That is a 'Jetwings' 990 (later called 'MAM'- Metal Airliner Model?) that I got from CAM in 1998 ($135 including postage). In 2000 I got the AA from Andrew Klein, when he had CAM USA.
PropJet- Yes, that was my collection on display at Rice University in December 2003 (100 yrs of aviation, etc), but it was the AA 990 there. Did I meet you then? Here is one of my record shots....I would love to have these glass cases. Ten years on, collection is much bigger now.
Jean Pierre- Note French classics. A few weeks ago, I saw a great 1:200 collection at LeBourget with incredible unique models, including French early R&D jets. I have shots.
Graham- That is a 'Jetwings' 990 (later called 'MAM'- Metal Airliner Model?) that I got from CAM in 1998 ($135 including postage). In 2000 I got the AA from Andrew Klein, when he had CAM USA.
PropJet- Yes, that was my collection on display at Rice University in December 2003 (100 yrs of aviation, etc), but it was the AA 990 there. Did I meet you then? Here is one of my record shots....I would love to have these glass cases. Ten years on, collection is much bigger now.
Jean Pierre- Note French classics. A few weeks ago, I saw a great 1:200 collection at LeBourget with incredible unique models, including French early R&D jets. I have shots.
- Danny
No Danny we didn't meet. As I recall you had mentioned here on the forum that the collection was on display at Rice University. I happened to be in Houston and stopped by to see it. Wow I can't believe it's been 10 years - yikes! Your collection was (is) incredible - you have models of some really obscure stuff. I remember the huge French six-engined seaplane - Latécoère 631 - who else has a model of that?! Really really cool.
I'd love to have those glass cases too. Similar cases can be purchased at new and used retail fixture stores but they're notoriously expensive.
No Danny we didn't meet. As I recall you had mentioned here on the forum that the collection was on display at Rice University. I happened to be in Houston and stopped by to see it. Wow I can't believe it's been 10 years - yikes! Your collection was (is) incredible - you have models of some really obscure stuff. I remember the huge French six-engined seaplane - Latécoère 631 - who else has a model of that?! Really really cool.
I'd love to have those glass cases too. Similar cases can be purchased at new and used retail fixture stores but they're notoriously expensive.
I have an unbuilt vacform Latécoère 631 in 1/72 scale, I managed to get all the information I could on this obscure flying boat.
The only thing I have to do, is to start work on it.
The less I can say, is that it could be a very challenging task.
Vacform and I don't get along at all. Years ago my one and only vacform attempt was a 1:144 Boeing Stratocruiser. It ended in disaster. Must have locator pins!
Yes, this is the kit I have, the model is fantastically made, I have some hard work ahead ...
I have one of the documents listed by the author and I think I could ask the help of the AF Museum.
Thank you for the link, the story of the two prototypes is correct.
First time I see a video showing this plane, very good !
I also have a vacform Bréguet Deux Ponts, same scale ...
It's funny sometimes to watch these threads morph into this and that but it's all good.
I'm almost afraid for someone to actually attempt the 990. Case-in-point: I've wanted a decent 1:200 F-27/FH-227 for years and look at the Hobby Master Horror that is supposed to be filling that niche. If an upcoming 990 (or 880) turns out as bad as that poor Friendship then it's game over. The 990 wing is complicated and will require extra attention by someone who knows what they're doing. Not only do the four engine nacelles have to be the right shape, the right size, and hang properly off the leading edges from pylons that are again the right shape and the right size -- but now we have anti-shock bodies requiring the same vigilance. Shock bodies must be the right shape, the right size, and be positioned properly along the trailing edges of both wings. If anything is off a centemeter it will trigger a red flag in my head and that will be the only thing I am able to see every time I look at it.
We have the technology (somewhere... ) and it can be done.
It's funny sometimes to watch these threads morph into this and that but it's all good.
I'm almost afraid for someone to actually attempt the 990. Case-in-point: I've wanted a decent 1:200 F-27/FH-227 for years and look at the Hobby Master Horror that is supposed to be filling that niche. If an upcoming 990 (or 880) turns out as bad as that poor Friendship then it's game over. The 990 wing is complicated and will require extra attention by someone who knows what they're doing. Not only do the four engine nacelles have to be the right shape, the right size, and hang properly off the leading edges from pylons that are again the right shape and the right size -- but now we have anti-shock bodies requiring the same vigilance. Shock bodies must be the right shape, the right size, and be positioned properly along the trailing edges of both wings. If anything is off a centemeter it will trigger a red flag in my head and that will be the only thing I am able to see every time I look at it.
We have the technology (somewhere... ) and it can be done.
I agree the project is fraught with danger. A manufacturer may well decide that an 880 is merely a 990 without pods. My understanding is that this not true at all. So if anyone is going to attempt the Convair jetliner project I hope someone on here is in touch with them !
The Chinese are brilliant at copying, but not so good at original creation from drawings. My guess is that they would copy an old kit by profiling from it. What they would really need is an old accurate large scale display model (in need of restoration) and some notes from someone who knows about 880/990's.
Let us pray that one day we will have a good model of this plane.
As said, ideally, an active participation of someone having a good knowledge of the plane is essential.
Manufacturers able to accept this are rare.
Most often they prefer to keep everything secret and when the job is done, it is too late.
And even when it is not too late, it is too late because they don't want to change anything.
Let us pray that one day we will have a good model of this plane.
As said, ideally, an active participation of someone having a good knowledge of the plane is essential.
Manufacturers able to accept this are rare.
Most often they prefer to keep everything secret and when the job is done, it is too late.
And even when it is not too late, it is too late because they don't want to change anything.
Jean Pierre.
You know the old joke about how many therapists does it need to change a light bulb. (Only one but the bulb must be willing to change.)
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