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Old 02-06-2012, 03:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question C-17: Hogan or Gemini?

I cannot decide which one to purchase.

Can someone show me some comparison shots, please?
Which one is better?

The Hogan C-17 looks like to have some better and finer structures, but I cannot tell for sure. Any ideas?
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: C-17: Hogan or Gemini?

i don't have photos but i already hold and compare both release. Hogan has higher detail, but it's very light and flimsy. quiet fragile in my opinion. gemini is a solid heavy piece of metal. the back door can be open. gemini version is best displayed with stand, since it's heavy the rubber tires get compressed if display on ground.

both model have their pros and cons, but to me i prefer gemini.
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Same here, I prefer the Gemini version. I posted pics of my model in this thread.
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Default Re: C-17: Hogan or Gemini?

I have only seen the GJ one so I can't answer.
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Default Re: C-17: Hogan or Gemini?

Both release are good, hard for me to decide for you. To make it simple, go for Gemini if you like metal, take hogan if you don't mind plastics.

And again, I would say both are good. I have the McGuire C-17 by Gemini, but I don't mind getting the Hogan version as well.
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When you see a C-17 one word comes into mind = HEAVY METAL ! I have one of the Gemini C-17s (I think Gemini has made a whole fleet of these?), but holding this bird in your hand sure gives this model an extra feeling of WOW! So my vote goes for the Gemini mould. Cheers! T7
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I had two Gemini Jets C-17 and were with broken tails, engines, aerials and made by JC Wings, no thanks... Now i am waiting for my Hogan C-17, which is finer, and also i am not buying models in kilogram.
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Hi tu154, I hear ya about the broken parts for the Gemini C-17s. I spoke to the manager at my local store (Aviation World-YYZ) and he informed me that in all the time those C-17s have come into his store, not one single plane has arrived intact in 1 piece! He had to glue one engine back on for my bird. That C-17 is the heaviest metal model in my 1/200 fleet for the time being, until some company steps up and produces an A380 in metal which I will definitely add to my fleet. Cheers! T7
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May they should made for them landing gear with titanium struts, because weight

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Hi tu154, I hear ya about the broken parts for the Gemini C-17s. I spoke to the manager at my local store (Aviation World-YYZ) and he informed me that in all the time those C-17s have come into his store, not one single plane has arrived intact in 1 piece! He had to glue one engine back on for my bird. That C-17 is the heaviest metal model in my 1/200 fleet for the time being, until some company steps up and produces an A380 in metal which I will definitely add to my fleet. Cheers! T7
That is/was correct (as far as i can tell) on the first few models that were released.

On the "Elmendorf" for example, Gemini used a better packing which supports the model much better.
All copies of this model i received were perfect. No loose parts anymore.

So Gemini understood the problem and solved it in my opinion.
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Difficult to choose...

Weight does not really bother me. I am mostly in H0 trains and I think the plastic shells of my steamers are way better detailed than the die cast ones...

What really bothers me with the Hogan jet are the oversized front wheels and the pad printed black lines on the nose. The shiny finish can be fixed with a dull coat.

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Old 02-07-2012, 05:23 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Let's hope, that's all
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Anyone knows if Hogan will release more USAF C-17s ? I've only come across "ALTUS" ..
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:41 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Have not seen the Hogan model up close, only photos - but love my Gemini C-17, it's a real peach.

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Not sure if you've made your choice yet, but I'd like to add my opinion. I own the GJ Charleston C-17. Nice plane...bulky and heavy, wobbles on the stand quite a bit because of the weight. It's got pretty good detail and the moveable cargo ramp is cool. I also own the Hogan Altus C-17. Great model that I'm very impressed with. The details in some areas are even better than Gemini's. The paint job looks excellent on the Hogan version.

As for more releases from Hogan, I'm sure some people have been paying attention to the already announced RAF and Canadian versions. Plus, the newly announced Qatari and RAAF versions. I'm excited about Hogans versions, for both price and detail reasons. Great planes!
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Erm I think you can see I rather like this bird and am happy with both Gemini and Hogan

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IMO the only thing killing the Hogan for me is the radome lines.. WAY too thick
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Are the gear removeable on the Hogan version?
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I have both the Hogan and Gemini versions of the RCAF CC-177 (C-17).

Although the Hogan version is entirely made of plastic (and is roughly half the price) it does have a better representation of the oval engine intakes and antennas (most of the antennas are just printed by Gemini). Hogan also has the more realistic (dull finish) paint job. The rear ramp on the Gemini does open - However, the hydraulic jacks appear to be a bit over scale. Gemini does win on the weight and heft issue - but you can't tell this by looking at it on the display shelf.

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I have both the Hogan and Gemini versions of the RCAF CC-177 (C-17).

Although the Hogan version is entirely made of plastic (and is roughly half the price) it does have a better representation of the oval engine intakes and antennas (most of the antennas are just printed by Gemini). Hogan also has the more realistic (dull finish) paint job. The rear ramp on the Gemini does open - However, the hydraulic jacks appear to be a bit over scale. Gemini does win on the weight and heft issue - but you can't tell this by looking at it on the display shelf.

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They both look great, but I will be going with the Hogan. Reason? I've flown on that exact C-17.

In the Summer of 2010 I got to go for a ride in Ship 704 of 429 Sqn. out of CFB Trenton. It was great, a very fun ride. They even opened the rear door in flight over the lake, it was a great experience.
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Anybody knows if the Civilian QATAR C-17 available in 1:200 scale????

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Everyone is waiting for it. I'm one of them.

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This is the only model of the 'civvy' version that I've ever seen. Sadly for you 1/200 fans, its a little larger at around 1/150. It's available via ARD

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since it's heavy the rubber tires get compressed if display on ground.
I work on 1/1 scale ones pretty regularly and AMAZINGLY they do this as well.
They are only flat on the bottom though.
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I work on 1/1 scale ones pretty regularly and AMAZINGLY they do this as well.
They are only flat on the bottom though.
WOW, are you a civilian gov't/ contractor or in the RAF? I was able to ride on one via the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) & also experienced flying w/ the ramp open. It was interesting to see so much open air from an aircraft e.g. from a typical airliner. Not to under appreciate the experience, it wouldn't be on my bucket list.
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WOW, are you a civilian gov't/ contractor or in the RAF? I was able to ride on one via the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) & also experienced flying w/ the ramp open. It was interesting to see so much open air from an aircraft e.g. from a typical airliner. Not to under appreciate the experience, it wouldn't be on my bucket list.
I am neither and I don't really talk about the flights I do, but so far haven't flown on one tho there is a standing invitation to do so. I have done the open ramp thing on a couple of hercs, including watching a para drop. That was cool. I was hangin on tight to the a/c side too!

Hell yeah the C-17 is a beast.
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I am neither and I don't really talk about the flights I do, but so far haven't flown on one tho there is a standing invitation to do so. I have done the open ramp thing on a couple of hercs, including watching a para drop. That was cool. I was hangin on tight to the a/c side too!

Hell yeah the C-17 is a beast.

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I have both, in my opinion the Hogan is more accurate! Especially the cockpit section is more like the real plane. I think, the Gemini is too heavy, even if generally i prefer diecast models, because of the better detail and painting. In this case, painting and detail are even better on the Hogan! I used to have the Gemini on display but replaced it with the Hogan After having purchased it.
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My vote goes for the Gemini, the vertical stab. and ventral fins are wrong on Hogan version.
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I have both, in my opinion the Hogan is more accurate! Especially the cockpit section is more like the real plane. I think, the Gemini is too heavy, even if generally i prefer diecast models, because of the better detail and painting. In this case, painting and detail are even better on the Hogan! I used to have the Gemini on display but replaced it with the Hogan After having purchased it.

DITTO, I'm not so anal to notice a jet pylon, jet engine size, or the tail is completely wrong. I like the hogan better in this case, I'm also disappointing w/ the opening ramp on the GJ as it appears to fall apart @ any moment.
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Based in my experience buying both "DOVER" versions I can tell you go ahead with Hogan. The Gemini is nice but the big problem is the weight and the packaging where it comes inside.

Why did Gemini put a heavy model inside a horrid rigid polystyrene cradle (same thing for A380)? It doesn't work, it is not the adequate material for a such a solid metal model. Cradle has to many gaps and therefore the airplane shakes everywhere inside the packaging. My C17 arrived with one wing totally loose and the vertical stabilizer almost out of its place and with some paint chips at the base. The ramp had a broken hydraulic jack, I don't know how. It seemed the model suffered a real hard landing, weird thing the box didn't show signs of hit or dropping, what a bad surprise for me.

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I've noticed the change in packaging as well Yogurt. The paper quailty of the sleeve has gotten really cheap and the styrofoam is also less fitted and dense. Sturdy packaging isn't the best place to cut corners with heavy models.
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I can't stand the over emphasized panel lines on the radome of the Hogan. Therefore I have 2 Geminis. The C-17 has a special place in my heart, I worked on them for 6 years and took me to all 7 continents.
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Anybody knows if the Civilian QATAR C-17 available in 1:200 scale????

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• My question too Modestos. I hv the GJ 1/400 but would like the nicer 1/200 airplanes. It's also a striking scheme.

•Yogurt, Just saw your close up pics on my desktop monitor, (instead of the phone as earlier). The tail/fuselage intersection looks damaged with all that chipping. Personally, I would send it back as a damage and seek a replacement. As we all have discussed, these models are expensive. Why not have get what you have paid for? Just a thought.

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It looks like Hogan and Gemini have done a good job making the C-17. My two cents: I like the metal version because it serves a bit of insurance in the event the wingtips should make contact against another model or the display shelf. I have an old Herpa 1/500 with the plastic wings, the stabilizer bent in the corner and eventually broke off.
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DITTO, I'm not so anal to notice a jet pylon, jet engine size, or the tail is completely wrong. I like the hogan better in this case, I'm also disappointing w/ the opening ramp on the GJ as it appears to fall apart @ any moment.
I agree, the Gemini loading ramp is poor, mine just falls open and wont stay shut anymore
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The 200's are a much better sculpt in the cockpit/forward fuselage shapes. As much as I like the GJ 1/400 Qatar airplane, the nose section is not very good. These larger models just look light years better and the Qatar, again, is on my list!
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:20 PM   #42 (permalink)
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The 200's are a much better sculpt in the cockpit/forward fuselage shapes. As much as I like the GJ 1/400 Qatar airplane, the nose section is not very good. These larger models just look light years better and the Qatar, again, is on my list!
I agree... I thought the 1/400 scale nose looked too square and not pointy enough. I don't have a 1/200 C-17 yet, but when GJ releases an Altus AFB C-17, I will be sure to get one... But generally speaking, getting any of these 1/200's in your hands will draw you away from 1/400 collecting.
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I agree... I thought the 1/400 scale nose looked too square and not pointy enough. I don't have a 1/200 C-17 yet, but when GJ releases an Altus AFB C-17, I will be sure to get one... But generally speaking, getting any of these 1/200's in your hands will draw you away from 1/400 collecting.
Generally, it has, along with larger scales too. Except for today though; a long sought after 1/400 landed on my doorstep. It's Jet-X release of the Braniff A-380's. The black has finally made it into the fleet! Only one more to go.
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Gemini !!! don't like the Hogan joint
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One thing I can say about the GJ is that their wing leading edge has a much better appearance than the Hogan. I do however, like the plastic of Hogan as it much lighter and can be handled with a bit more ease. They both look good though. I'm just waiting to see who has the Qatar first!
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