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Here's hoping that US won't join the air fight, or all those MiG's will be toast, especially if the Raps' come out.
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From what Obama's saying it sounds like the US is going to play a supporting role. The US will supply aircraft in the form of AWACS, UAV's, RECCE, jamming and mid-air refueling. Hopefully that stays true. If Gaddafi is dumb enough to try and engage an aircraft carrier or one of those planes, then I'm sure that can change in a hurry.
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It's because we're keeping our fighting aircraft in reserve for the Libyan planes that set off after airliners, and then we'll saturation-bomb anywhere we think Khaddafi might be.
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Who/what shot that down? Triple A?
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Who/what shot that down? Triple A?
Most likely a Russian MANPADS, since the rebels don't have much heavy equipment.
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Most likely a Russian MANPADS, since the rebels don't have much heavy equipment.
Interesting though that they (rebels) are sophisticated enough to shoot a fighter down.
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Interesting though that they (rebels) are sophisticated enough to shoot a fighter down.
There may be some rogue military units, or bases sympathetic to the rebels supplying small arms and shoulder-launched AA weapons.
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according to Fox News The US has joined in and launched Tomahawk cruise missles while American, French and Danish planes are gathering in Italy.
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Hey dont forget Canadian planes - our fighter pilots are second to none!!!

Hope their is still a couple of those old Migs left for our Canadian CF18 pilots to chew up!!!

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Hey dont forget Canadian planes - our fighter pilots are second to none!!!
They should be. How hard is it to train the four pilots you have in your air force?
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They should be. How hard is it to train the four pilots you have in your air force?
Had to re-read the string to figure out where your from neighbour - shouldnt have been surprised....no wonder we Canadians are treated so much better whereever we go in the world!
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Had to re-read the string to figure out where your from neighbour - shouldnt have been surprised....no wonder we Canadians are treated so much better whereever we go in the world!
Actually, it's not that you're treated better because you deserve it...it's because the rest of the world feels sorry for you for being Canadian....
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Actually, it's not that you're treated better because you deserve it...it's because the rest of the world feels sorry for you for being Canadian....
I've always found Canadians to be more articulate, more polite, less brash and generally more empathic than their cousins south of the border. They also didn't wait around for 2 years scratching their asses in 1939.
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Interesting though that they (rebels) are sophisticated enough to shoot a fighter down.
Rebels has a taint of "bad boys" about it. Prefer "freedom fighters for democracy fed up with a lunatic ruling family" really. But whatever, they seem to have shot down their own Mig and pilot by mistake. Sometimes I wonder whose side God is on......(I think that may have been an Adolph Hitler quote).
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I've always found Canadians to be more articulate, more polite, less brash and generally more empathic than their cousins south of the border. They also didn't wait around for 2 years scratching their asses in 1939.
Hmmm...if memory serves me (and my history research and lessons), Britain kind of let ol' Adolph have his way with Austria and Czechoslovakia, and didn't jump into action when Poland got shellacked, either. It wasn't until Germany actually attacked Denmark, the Benelux nations and Norway that France and Britain actually got moving. But you don't give credit...although America resisted sending soldiers, we sent cargo and supplies vital to the survival of Britain...and the lives of hundreds of American merchant sailors were risked on every single voyage. Not to mention the many US volunteers who went to Canada to join up to fight.

AFA "always" finding Canadians to be more civilized than Americans, you must not have met many Americans, or you just hold a low opinion of us. I guarantee, if you stay away from the big cities you will find Americans to be a friendly, welcoming people. Don't let stereotyping paint a completely negative picture of the US. We're not all hoons here.
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Are we talking about Libya here or Canada? I have no problems with our Canadian neighbors to the north. Anyways, with Britain, France, and the US so far engaged in shooting key targets in Tripoli the question now is who is next to join the fight?
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From what Obama's saying it sounds like the US is going to play a supporting role. The US will supply aircraft in the form of AWACS, UAV's, RECCE, jamming and mid-air refueling. Hopefully that stays true. If Gaddafi is dumb enough to try and engage an aircraft carrier or one of those planes, then I'm sure that can change in a hurry.
The last time Gaddafi challenged a U.S. aircraft carrier it cost him two MiG-23s' and two pilots at the hands of a pair of U.S. Navy F-14s.

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I've always found Canadians to be more articulate, more polite, less brash and generally more empathic than their cousins south of the border. They also didn't wait around for 2 years scratching their asses in 1939.
And who saved your asses' again? Give you a hint - starts with a 'U' and ends with an 'A'.
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Hey dont forget Canadian planes - our fighter pilots are second to none!!!

Hope their is still a couple of those old Migs left for our Canadian CF18 pilots to chew up!!!

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Second to none? Sure, because we all know that Canadians have been fearing a possible invasion from Greenland.
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The last time Gaddafi challenged a U.S. aircraft carrier it cost him to MiG-23s' and two pilots at the hands of a pair of U.S. Navy F-14s.
Yep, and that was F-14 vs Mig 23's... But now,the matchup is MiG 23's vs F-22's, and F/A 18's... If Obama releases his Fighters, Libya's Air force will be chewed up, quickly I may add...
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Are we talking about Libya here or Canada? I have no problems with our Canadian neighbors to the north. Anyways, with Britain, France, and the US so far engaged in shooting key targets in Tripoli the question now is who is next to join the fight?
I will say that I am surprised that Italy is allowing allied aircraft to congregate for possible combat from Italian air bases. Considering the fact that Italy has a Fiat production plant in Libya and imports a large portion of its oil from Libyan oil fields, I felt that the Italians might sit this one out.

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Yep, and that was F-14 vs Mig 23's... But now,the matchup is MiG 23's vs F-22's, and F/A 18's... If Obama releases his Fighters, Libya's Air force will be chewed up, quickly I may add...
This time it would probably be a pair of F/A-18E or F Super Hornets. I went to an air show today at Luke AFB and the U.S. Navy gave an aerial demonstration with an 'E' model. That is one fine airplane and I was impressed !
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And who saved your asses' again? Give you a hint - starts with a 'U' and ends with an 'A'.
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Y'know, I enjoy seeing how far off the rail I can take this train. BTW, only kidding about the Canuckistan pilots. I know there's at least 11.
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Cute. Be careful - Iran hasn't exactly been cooperating either.
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If Bill-ay lives in Iran, then I live on Ceti Alpha V.
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Hmmm...if memory serves me (and my history research and lessons), Britain kind of let ol' Adolph have his way with Austria and Czechoslovakia, and didn't jump into action when Poland got shellacked, either. It wasn't until Germany actually attacked Denmark, the Benelux nations and Norway that France and Britain actually got moving. But you don't give credit...although America resisted sending soldiers, we sent cargo and supplies vital to the survival of Britain...and the lives of hundreds of American merchant sailors were risked on every single voyage. Not to mention the many US volunteers who went to Canada to join up to fight.

AFA "always" finding Canadians to be more civilized than Americans, you must not have met many Americans, or you just hold a low opinion of us. I guarantee, if you stay away from the big cities you will find Americans to be a friendly, welcoming people. Don't let stereotyping paint a completely negative picture of the US. We're not all hoons here.

You're referring to appeasement by the Chamberlain government who had no more specific responsibility/jurisdiction over Germany/Austria/ Czechoslavakia than anyone else in the world. Without enough armed forces at that time there was little that could be relistically done. It is not realistic to think that we could have crossed the Channel by civilian ferry boats, moved the army (that we didn't have) right accross, France, Belgium and Germany to confont the Nazis at that time.

We did however make a treaty with Poland which was hoped would be enough to deter the Nazis (and maybe others) from invading that country. The idea proved futile, but, my dear friend, we immediately declared war on nazi Germany in hopeless defence of the Poles, as a matter of principle, demonstrating our opposition to tyranny and suppression of democracy.

We did at the time, what was feasible, including attempting to help France protect its borders in 1940. I'm proud, that as a nation, we stood up against Nazi terror even though it meant we had to retreat accross the Channel (which Winston managed to acclaim as a victory), endure the Battle of Britain, the ensuing Blitz, and the occupation of our beloved Channel Islands.

Of course we are eternally grateful that the Japanese brought Uncle Sam in to the war, without you and your previous 2 years of lend - lease we couldn't have made it. Sustained Attack on your homeland is something that you guys didn't taste until 9/11 and you now know how scary that is as well.

So I really do not think that you are justified in saying that "we let Adolph have his way".

I know many Yanks and visited them many times, and they have visited me. Those friends have common interestes and attitudes with me and we get along just fine. But where Canadians are concerned there always seems to be a dismissiveness from you guys, and a lack of acceptance of their genuine politeness. What's the deal here ?
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Actually, it's not that you're treated better because you deserve it...it's because the rest of the world feels sorry for you for being Canadian....

I doubt that they feel sorry for us....

Top 10 best countries in world: Newsweek

Hello - Hello neighbour where are you at on the list????????

Geeez everytime I do a google search on best countries to live in I always see Canada in the list....imagine that.

And now for the smarta** reply......
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Top 10 best countries in world: Newsweek

Hello - Hello neighbour where are you at on the list????????

Geeez everytime I do a google search on best countries to live in I always see Canada in the list....imagine that.

And now for the smarta** reply......
I mulled over that smartazz reply, but I gave it up as a lost cause. You are obviously serious about the comments, and I wasn't. Canada is a wonderful place, been there many times (Banff, Alberta is one of my favorites) and the Canadians I've met are a decent lot. Maybe a little full of themselves, but that might be your British heritage.
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You're referring to appeasement by the Chamberlain government who had no more specific responsibility/jurisdiction over Germany/Austria/ Czechoslavakia than anyone else in the world. Without enough armed forces at that time there was little that could be relistically done. It is not realistic to think that we could have crossed the Channel by civilian ferry boats, moved the army (that we didn't have) right accross, France, Belgium and Germany to confont the Nazis at that time.

We did however make a treaty with Poland which was hoped would be enough to deter the Nazis (and maybe others) from invading that country. The idea proved futile, but, my dear friend, we immediately declared war on nazi Germany in hopeless defence of the Poles, as a matter of principle, demonstrating our opposition to tyranny and suppression of democracy.

We did at the time, what was feasible, including attempting to help France protect its borders in 1940. I'm proud, that as a nation, we stood up against Nazi terror even though it meant we had to retreat accross the Channel (which Winston managed to acclaim as a victory), endure the Battle of Britain, the ensuing Blitz, and the occupation of our beloved Channel Islands.

Of course we are eternally grateful that the Japanese brought Uncle Sam in to the war, without you and your previous 2 years of lend - lease we couldn't have made it. Sustained Attack on your homeland is something that you guys didn't taste until 9/11 and you now know how scary that is as well.

So I really do not think that you are justified in saying that "we let Adolph have his way".

I know many Yanks and visited them many times, and they have visited me. Those friends have common interestes and attitudes with me and we get along just fine. But where Canadians are concerned there always seems to be a dismissiveness from you guys, and a lack of acceptance of their genuine politeness. What's the deal here ?
I didn't mean for this to get into a history lesson. You have every reason to be proud of your country...Britain was prepared to fight the whole war by itself if it had to, and they did a heroic job of it during those lonely years. Hitler underestimated the British, and would never have turned on the Russians if he knew British resolve...he figured your country was finished and not a serious threat anymore when he decided to attack the Soviets. Never count the English down until they say they are (and they rarely have).

I think with regards to Canada there's a certain smugness on both party's part...Canadians because they have a terrific country (though a bit too cold for me) and some British 'tude; and the US because we kick arse, are a rich superpower (or were, anyway) and many have a sense of entitlement because of that. But I've been treated rudely by people of many countries, including my own, so I don't think Americans have a monopoly on arrogance. People are what they are all around the world.
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Hey Gopodin - you know being a retired Canadian Armed Forces Warrant Officer (Two 6 month tours of duty in Bosnia 1995 and 2000 and a one month TAV (Techincal Assistance Visit) to Afghanistan (2004)) and all, I certainly dont mind and am use to a certain amount of friendly banter, but I will always speak up and defend my small (but very proud) military's contribution to the free Western Worlds fortunate way of life. This has been paid for in blood by alot of young men (and women) from your country, mine, and a host of other Allied countries. I have alot of friends that live in the US and am quick to remind those few Canadians (who need to be reminded) that I come across that have negaitive opioions of the US that they would not be enjoying the luxuries they now have if it werent for the combined efforts of all free Western nations including the US...

It is at times like these that we all need to speak with one voice. I for one wish nothing but good luck and God Speed to all those French, Danish, British, American, Canadian, Norweigan, Italian, etc, etc, service personel who are now on operations abroad and helping rid the world of the likes of Gaddaffi... I am sure you would agree!
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Top 10 best countries in world: Newsweek

Hello - Hello neighbour where are you at on the list????????

Geeez everytime I do a google search on best countries to live in I always see Canada in the list....imagine that.

And now for the smarta** reply......
Are you referring to the same Newsweek that was sold to Sidney Harman last year for $1.00 because no one reads it?

Is this the same Newsweek that reported that Qurans' had been flushed down the toilets in Guantantomo Bay causing riots and deaths worldwide while the story later had to be retracted because Newsweek's "source" was wrong?

Or is this the same Newsweek that sat on the Lewinsky scandal and allowed a nobody reporter, while sitting in his Hollywood apartment to release the story worldwide and cause a U.S. President to get impeached?

You just keep reading Newsweek there sport !
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I didn't mean for this to get into a history lesson. You have every reason to be proud of your country...Britain was prepared to fight the whole war by itself if it had to, and they did a heroic job of it during those lonely years. Hitler underestimated the British, and would never have turned on the Russians if he knew British resolve...he figured your country was finished and not a serious threat anymore when he decided to attack the Soviets. Never count the English down until they say they are (and they rarely have).

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Are you referring to the same Newsweek that was sold to Sidney Harman last year for $1.00 because no one reads it?

Is this the same Newsweek that reported that Qurans' had been flushed down the toilets in Guantantomo Bay causing riots and deaths worldwide while the story later had to be retracted because Newsweek's "source" was wrong?

Or is this the same Newsweek that sat on the Lewinsky scandal and allowed a nobody reporter, while sitting in his Hollywood apartment to release the story worldwide and cause a U.S. President to get impeached?

You just keep reading Newsweek there sport !
Easy to find other examples

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Easy to find other examples

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Only on D.A.C can a thread about Libya go from The (building) war, Italy, The US-Canada debate, then back again in a matter of hours!
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Only on D.A.C can a thread about Libya go from The (building) war, Italy, The US-Canada debate, then back again in a matter of hours!
Give me some credit, will you? At least I covered all of these topics
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Hey dont forget Canadian planes - our fighter pilots are second to none!!!

Hope their is still a couple of those old Migs left for our Canadian CF18 pilots to chew up!!!

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I'll never forget attending the Abbotsford Airshow in 2003 and hearing a group of (obviously Canadian) show-goers talk about how far superior the CF-18 is to the American F-18. That fake canopy painted on the bottom is inventive!
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Doesnt even warrant a response - yawnnnnnnn!!!
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Doesnt even warrant a response - yawnnnnnnn!!!
I'm no genius, but ^^^^^^^^^^
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The Canadians do know how to paint up a Hornet real nice like .
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Interesting article on why there aren't any Raptors over Libya. Limitations Keep Raptor on Sidelines in Libya Campaign - Defense News
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Here ya go !

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You took TWO YEARS to find that reference :-)

Or was it still on your 'Bucket List" --- Oh yeah, I remember, there was a thread in 2011 which still needs an answer. Tick. Moving along then. (Sorry, just having a bit of fun in a stressful day).
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You took TWO YEARS to find that reference :-)

Or was it still on your 'Bucket List" --- Oh yeah, I remember, there was a thread in 2011 which still needs an answer. Tick. Moving along then. (Sorry, just having a bit of fun in a stressful day).
Sure, because obviously it was too difficult for you to just click-on the link to see what the date of the article was (5/28/13 just to help you out).

Besides, he said he wanted more examples, so............
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Sure, because obviously it was too difficult for you to just click-on the link to see what the date of the article was (5/28/13 just to help you out).

Besides, he said he wanted more examples, so............
I too can find many more examples - found this one in 5 minutes - imagine how many I could find in 2 years!!!

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