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Old 03-06-2011, 09:30 PM   #1
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Default Has the US Air Force ever needed to use the back-up Air Force One during a mission?

Just out of curiosity, considering that the US Air Force always uses both the primary and the back-up Air Force One during presidential flights, does anyone know if the Air Force has ever actually needed to use the back-up Air Force One during any of their missions because the primary Air Force One wasn't working properly? Thanks to anyone that replies.
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Are you a terrorist?

You seem to ask alot of questions about these planes...
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Are you a terrorist?

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No, definitely not a terrorist. I just like learning about planes, including military planes. Anyway, considering how much fuel it takes to fly a 747, seems like a waste to almost always use two 747s when it isn't really necessary.

Apparently a Boeing 747-200B has a maximum fuel capacity of 52,410 U.S. gal (43,640 imp gal/199,158 L), so to use two 747s at a time is a lot of jet fuel wasted.

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Air Force One is one of the best maintained aircraft, so there really has not been a need to fly two 747's at once. They do have a full squadron of C-17 backup support with Air Force crews and mechanics along with other support. I believe I had read one instance where they did fly out another jet because of a breakdown. They also had to go to the older models when a practice session of touch and goes encountered a flock of birds causing quite a bit of damage and repairs.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:41 PM   #5
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Thanks for the reply, tripoli. I did hear somewhere that both 747s are used, but maybe they meant that only on certain occasions are both 747s used, but said in such a way that it seemed to imply both jets were always used. Anyway, thanks again for your reply.
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They fly the second Air Force One as a diversion- so people dont know which one the prez. is on. Kind of like a motorcade with about 15 limousines, they want to minimize the risk of anyone killing the president. Also, I lost the game
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I've ssen the pres on a few different occasions and each time there was only one VC-25. However, one plane that is often confused for AF1 is the E-4B which is an airborne command post. It is also a blue and white 747 that has United States of America on the side but it has a different paint scheme and a large dorsal radome. It shadows the President wherever he goes but doesn't usually land at the same place.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:15 PM   #8
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Thanks for all the replies. I guess I just thought the Air Force used both all the time because of how many pictures there are with both VC-25 planes at the same place, though maybe they only use both on international flights.


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Thanks for all the replies. I guess I just thought the Air Force used both all the time because of how many pictures there are with both VC-25 planes at the same place, though maybe they only use both on international flights.
Yes, they use both planes on international flights just in case one breaks down on the way there. Then they can just rappel the President to the other plane.
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Wow. That's interesting. I never knew that the Air Force One Jumbos have built in air stairs build where the cargo hold should be. Very clever.
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Old 03-10-2011, 06:20 AM   #11
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Yes, when George W went to Iraq for Thanksgiving.
Both AF1s were used in that mission from Waco TX to Andrews AFB and then the second aircraft did the flight from Andrews AFB but it saw the aircraft registered for the flightplan as a Gulfstream not a 747.

Just do a youtube search for:

Air Force 1 Secret mission and you can watch it for yourself.
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During that "mission" both 747's flew with fake registrations, flightplans, etc. They both flew as "Gulfstream" type aircraft. On Youtube you can find a documentary, it's called "On Board Air Force One" and they talk about this mission to Iraq.
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Yes, when George W went to Iraq for Thanksgiving.
Both AF1s were used in that mission from Waco TX to Andrews AFB and then the second aircraft did the flight from Andrews AFB but it saw the aircraft registered for the flightplan as a Gulfstream not a 747.

Just do a youtube search for:

Air Force 1 Secret mission and you can watch it for yourself.
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During that "mission" both 747's flew with fake registrations, flightplans, etc. They both flew as "Gulfstream" type aircraft. On Youtube you can find a documentary, it's called "On Board Air Force One" and they talk about this mission to Iraq.
Thanks for the info, QFA388 and ct2399. Those were very interesting and informative documentaries. Thanks again.
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:41 AM   #14
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No, definitely not a terrorist. I just like learning about planes, including military planes. Anyway, considering how much fuel it takes to fly a 747, seems like a waste to almost always use two 747s when it isn't really necessary.

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Old 03-26-2011, 03:22 AM   #15
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according to the documentaries I've watched, they always fly both, both as backup and diversion, and they're identified as gulfstream. On the last Obama trip to Europe, I tried to check it on flightstatus but it doesn't show on the public radars as they may fly under military frequencies.
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On at least one occasion during an Australian Presidential visit "29000" was used at short notice, to substitute for "28000" (the primary jet), which had suffered a bird strike to # 2 engine on approach into Cairns. In the mid-90s during a US Presidential visit to Europe, an E-4B ended up as a short-notice "Air Force One" due to "28000" suffering unacceptable FOD damage on landing and "29000" not being available due to routine DLM.
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On at least one occasion during an Australian Presidential visit "29000" was used at short notice, to substitute for "28000" (the primary jet), which had suffered a bird strike to # 2 engine on approach into Cairns. In the mid-90s during a US Presidential visit to Europe, an E-4B ended up as a short-notice "Air Force One" due to "28000" suffering unacceptable FOD damage on landing and "29000" not being available due to routine DLM.
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Wow, thanks so much for the info, QF707. That was very informative. Thanks again.
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