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Old 11-22-2016, 10:31 PM   #1
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Announced today. RCAF will acquire 18 Super Hornet aircraft to act as an interim fighter along side current CF-188 until a final aircraft is picked. Canada will conduct a "open and fair competition" to find a permanent replacement for the CF-188. So the F-35 is not out of the game. In the end it looks like a two fighter fleet which the government wished to avoid from the beginning. Ain't politics great!

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Yes, the decision completely stinks of politics.

The Liberals claimed during the election that the F-35 was too expensive and that the RCAF didn't need a "first strike" capability offered by the stealth F-35. They also claimed they could purchase the Super Hornets for just $65 million each.

Unfortunately the actual price is likely five times that as the recent purchase by a Kuwait for 40 Super Hornets will cost $13.5 Billion.

All this and the CF-18s will have to soldier on until the end of the 2020s!

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The "fair and open competition" is what should have happened from day one. If we end up with F-35s, at least nobody will be able to argue we didn't look into every option. The Super Bug will serve us well in the meantime. The CF-18s currently in service will be rather dogeared and tattered by the end of their service life though. I've always loved them, but they are already essentially an obsolete aircraft.
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What his the history behind this victories markings ?

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What his the history behind this victories markings ?[/QUOTE]

Went looking for the reason a found out the image had a copy right and was not to be posted on any forum. So image replaced.
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Nice !!
Who knows ? Maybe a squadron ?
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It would be cool if the Canadian Air Forces went for the Mirage 2000...

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ok i understand.
But, these victories marking are just an artist view ? Then, no real shot ?

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I suspect in the end we will see a mix of possibly more Super Hornet's/Growlers and F-35's, or an entire fleet of Super Hornets/Growlers.
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It would be cool if the Canadian Air Forces went for the Mirage 2000...

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Politics aside, the Mirage would make for a very nice RCAF diecast...
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Yes, the decision completely stinks of politics.

The Liberals claimed during the election that the F-35 was too expensive and that the RCAF didn't need a "first strike" capability offered by the stealth F-35. They also claimed they could purchase the Super Hornets for just $65 million each.

Unfortunately the actual price is likely five times that as the recent purchase by a Kuwait for 40 Super Hornets will cost $13.5 Billion.

All this and the CF-18s will have to soldier on until the end of the 2020s!

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More than 200 federal civil servants involved in replacing Canada’s aging fighter jet fleet have been forced to swear they will not discuss the project for the rest of their lives.


Revelations of the “lifetime” non-disclosure agreements come as the government prepares to start negotiations with U.S. aerospace giant Boeing to purchase 18 Super Hornets.

The government says it needs the Hornets to address an urgent shortage of warplanes until a competition to replace all 77 of Canada’s CF-18s can be finished - a process it says could take up to five years.

Critics say the air force does have enough planes and the decision to buy Hornets now and punt a competition to later is part of a larger Liberal plan to avoid buying the controversial F-35 stealth fighter.

National Defence spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier says 235 officials were required to sign the permanent non-disclosure agreements starting in January to “remind” employees of their obligations to keep secrets.

“Given the subject-matter and commercial sensitivities associated with the work, it was deemed to be an appropriate and necessary procedure,” he said in an email.

Federal procurement officials have been occasionally required to sign such documents in the past, particularly when it comes to selecting a winning bid, Le Bouthillier said.

However, he said, “in this case, a non-disclosure is principally used as a reminder to ensure sensitive and corporate information is protected in the long term.”

Two former military procurement chiefs told The Canadian Press in separate interviews that they had never seen such agreements used for procurement projects before.

“I can’t recall anyone in any of my project teams having to do that,” said Alan Williams, who served as assistant deputy minister of materiel at National Defence from 2000 to 2005.
“Any of our people, I trust them to use their judgment.”

Dan Ross, who oversaw the F-35 project from 2005 to 2012 as assistant deputy minister of materiel, said there are significant technical and commercial secrets at stake with the jet program.

But he said such secrets are protected with existing security classifications, which carry the threat of prison time and have proven more than sufficient.
Both Williams and Ross said the decision to force officials to a lifetime of secrecy was worrying and a heavy-handed attempt to keep them on a tight leash.

The non-disclosure agreements were revealed in records tabled in the House of Commons this week in response to a question from Conservative defence critic James Bezan.

Bezan said he believes the Liberals are trying to hide the fact their decision to buy 18 Super Hornets and put off selecting a replacement for the CF-18s for five years is about keeping Canada from buying the F-35.

“My suspicion is that the Liberals don’t want anyone talking about how this has been completely politicized, or that this isn’t the plane that National Defence was recommending,” he said.

Comments from officials have previously raised questions about the Liberals’ plan to buy Super Hornets.

Testimony from Lt.-Gen. Michael Hood, the head of the Royal Canadian Air Force, to the Commons defence committee in April has been held up as proof such a rushed purchase is unnecessary.

Hood said the military was not in a rush to replace its CF-18s, as the air force had enough planes to conduct operations for the foreseeable future and the fleet’s “useful life” extends to 2025.

“I’m confident, heading into what the government has suggested for an open and transparent competition, about the timelines associated with that project,” Hood said at the time.
“I’m confident that if a decision were taken, certainly in the next five years, we’ll be in a comfortable position changing that aircraft.”
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Old 11-28-2016, 06:58 PM   #14
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I read this interesting article on the matter of Canada's decision to purchase the Super Hornets.

Canada Moves To Purchase 18 Super Hornets, Fighter Competition Looms - The Drive
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Thanks for posting that link sigmeister.

I think the article makes some good points on the Canadian government's decision to do an interim SH purchase and why it's not a bad idea and actually makes good sense. After yesterday's crash it makes even more sense to me.

I'm not sold on the F-35 as a lot of people aren't. I've never thought 65 F-35s would have been enough to protect our borders, train pilots and meet our NATO/NORAD commitments especially should we need to do something like Libya, Yugoslavia or the Gulf War. I personally would love Canada to get the Rafale with some Growlers. I think the only political smelling decision is the 5 year evaluation process. It could be done in a year or two, but the government thinks the ultimate choice may be a political hot potato no matter the selection.
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I read this interesting article on the matter of Canada's decision to purchase the Super Hornets.

Canada Moves To Purchase 18 Super Hornets, Fighter Competition Looms - The Drive
Lots of errors in that very biased Pro Boeing article. Erroneous by including the now eliminated (confirmed by the Liberal government) possibility of purchasing Growler versions.

The simple fact is that both the US Navy and the RAAF are replacing their Super Hornets with F-35s. Super Hornets will be completely obsolete by the 2020s and without any stealth ability will regulate the RCAF to a support role in NORAD as the USAF F-35s won't want any Canadian Super Hornets around betraying their presence.

The purchase of interim Super Hornets is a colossal waste of money and RCAF resources (read manpower, spares, support, training etc) to fill a non existent capability gap. Lt. General Mike Hood (the head of the RCAF) has stated Canada could meet its' commitments with the existing CF-18 Fleet until 2025. The Liberals simply increased the number of fighters required to be available at any time to artificially create their capability gap. We will now have to wait another five years before a final decision is made and additional money will be wasted extending the lives of the CF-18s as their replacement is pushed further down the road.

The Liberals have never been Pro military and the Canadian public would be foolish to accept this political boondoggle to go unchallenged.

As a former RCAF pilot - I'm dissapointed and appalled.

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The super Hornet is fine to play around with for the next few years! I think it is a good choice. The only people Canada will kill with these machines wear sandals anyway. The other wars Canada will be dragged into will have a Thermal Nuclear ending and it makes no difference what they are playing with at that point!
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So ACPilot, will you get an HM RCAF Super Hornet when they make one?
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So ACPilot, will you get an HM RCAF Super Hornet when they make one?
Yep, and the F-35 when the Government is forced to purchase the best choice.

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So many long posts, so much bias, and too many offensive statements in this thread. I like the Super Hornet. It's not a waste of time because the F-35 is not yet ready anyway. At least we'll have an interim update to our airforce until whichever fighter the government selects is ready.
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So many long posts, so much bias, and too many offensive statements in this thread. I like the Super Hornet. It's not a waste of time because the F-35 is not yet ready anyway. At least we'll have an interim update to our airforce until whichever fighter the government selects is ready.
Sorry Patrick, but the F-35 was declared operational by the USAF this past Summer.

Japan has just received their first aircraft and Israel has announced their F-35 purchase will be increased.

Canada would receive F-35s sooner in any event. The Liberal government doesn't even know when the deal for Super Hornets will be negotiated - let alone know when they'll enter service.

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I bet the Canadian order went to the IAF. Canada seems to do a lot of aviation horse trading with Israel.

That's fine by me! I personally think a twin engined aircraft is safer to play around with considering the size of Canada.

Besides the USA is paying the almost 100 million per F-35 bill for them.
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Nice article on the Hornet today
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Since Canada has decided to acquire 18 Super Hornets, "for the interim", my bet is we will simply exclude other options and order more "Super Bugs" once the decision is made. And, if I'm wrong, who knows, perhaps some MiG 35s...???
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Cool video and story - get ready for a fleet of Super Hornets Canada...
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It makes sense to get some interim planes as these will be easier to integrate and will have. Oldest costs of training compared to a new type of aircraft.
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It makes sense to get some interim planes as these will be easier to integrate and will have. Oldest costs of training compared to a new type of aircraft.
Time to get off their butts - should have had them yesterday...
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No Way! Maybe as a Target Drone?
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No Way! Maybe as a Target Drone?
With the 18 Super Bugs on their way (for the interim), and a "fair and open" competition to choose our next fighter/interceptor, my guess is we will simply end up with a fleet of SH's which is fine by me...
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If its a target drone, the Hornet is a origami.
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My guess is the 19 F-35's GIVEN to the iAF was Canada's original order. That is why Lockheed went silent about the cancellation. What a slap in the face to all the countries that put money into the development of the F-35 and then they are just given away. So now the F-35 can prove itself against the rock throwing enemy.
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