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Old 05-03-2013, 10:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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German bomber to rise from its English Channel grave | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Update: Salvaged

Last flight of the 'Flying Pencil': How Dornier bomber recovered from sea bed off Kent coast was shot down during Battle of Britain forcing crew to land belly-up on sandbanks | Mail Online
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Useless waste of money in my opinion....no one needs it. The salvage alone I think was mentioned like around 400.000 GBP, wasnt it ?

And then restoration....way to much for a old piece of Nazi crap...

Apart from that, it is a grave site for some of the crew. So why dont people respect their peace ?
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Useless waste of money in my opinion....no one needs it. The salvage alone I think was mentioned like around 400.000 GBP, wasnt it ?

And then restoration....way to much for a old piece of Nazi crap...

Apart from that, it is a grave site for some of the crew. So why dont people respect their peace ?
Good points, especially the last one. Why don't they bring up some of the USS Arizona? Or let people collect stuff from Iron-Bottom Sound? Those are considered graveyards, why can't an old Nazi bomber be one, too? The junk they brought up doesn't much look like a Do-17 anymore, anyway.
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Useless waste of money in my opinion....no one needs it. The salvage alone I think was mentioned like around 400.000 GBP, wasnt it ?

And then restoration....way to much for a old piece of Nazi crap...

Apart from that, it is a grave site for some of the crew. So why dont people respect their peace ?
Two of the crew were captured and the other two crew members bodies were washed ashore...

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Two of the crew were captured and the other two crew members bodies were washed ashore...
Still...they most likely died in there and still a waste of money. There are much more important things these days to spend the money for....and then, I dont understand why intact heritage isnt preserved but sold or broken up instead they bring up a piece of junk from seaground.

and then seeing one noob writing a comment in a newspaper Germany should pay for salvage and restoration as they are guilty bla bla bla....
Man, get a life ....war is over and that isnt since yesterday.
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and then seeing one noob writing a comment in a newspaper Germany should pay for salvage and restoration as they are guilty bla bla bla....
Man, get a life ....war is over and that isnt since yesterday.
That's true but some days ago I had some really nice russian people here in town and the first thing they asked me was: "Where are the monuments for our soviet soldiers?" Living in the past at its best. Beyond that, with strong words like "nazi crap", "The Blitz" (how funny and stupid is that?) you'll always will bring the past to the present so I would say "crap" and "The German 40s Flash Gordon Style" instead.
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IIRC in recent article the Do-17 will not be restored. The plan is to preserve it the way it is and put it on display.
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Useless waste of money in my opinion....no one needs it. The salvage alone I think was mentioned like around 400.000 GBP, wasnt it ?

And then restoration....way to much for a old piece of Nazi crap...

Apart from that, it is a grave site for some of the crew. So why dont people respect their peace ?
Nazi crap? I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
How would you like it if they called our planes raf crap or British crap or american crap, you wouldn't appreciate that would you? These planes were the thing of their time and the latest technology and airframes were used, resulting in a very good aircraft, now I know what most people think the nazis were horrible and did everything wrong, but in reality they were fighting for their country as you would fight for yours. Their leader was mislead and overpowering but they could not help that, they were doing what they could to save their lives and there country . I'm not saying I support the nazi's or anything like that, but they probably thought the exact same thing of us. So please stop being so judgemental and understand they were doing what was right for them , to stay alive , and this was definitely not the right thing to do , but they deserve some respect for all their soldiers that were wrecklessely killed while trying to defend their own countries.

And you live in Germany and are possibly german , so I would of thought that you would have some respect for your country past, wether it was right or wrong in your opinion.

I'm sorry to rant but I felt the need to say this.
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Nazi crap? I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
How would you like it if they called our planes raf crap or British crap or american crap, you wouldn't appreciate that would you? These planes were the thing of their time and the latest technology and airframes were used, resulting in a very good aircraft, now I know what most people think the nazis were horrible and did everything wrong, but in reality they were fighting for their country as you would fight for yours. Their leader was mislead and overpowering but they could not help that, they were doing what they could to save their lives and there country . I'm not saying I support the nazi's or anything like that, but they probably thought the exact same thing of us. So please stop being so judgemental and understand they were doing what was right for them , to stay alive , and this was definitely not the right thing to do , but they deserve some respect for all their soldiers that were wrecklessely killed while trying to defend their own countries.

And you live in Germany and are possibly german , so I would of thought that you would have some respect for your country past, wether it was right or wrong in your opinion.

I'm sorry to rant but I felt the need to say this.
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Nazi crap? I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
How would you like it if they called our planes raf crap or British crap or american crap, you wouldn't appreciate that would you? These planes were the thing of their time and the latest technology and airframes were used, resulting in a very good aircraft, now I know what most people think the nazis were horrible and did everything wrong, but in reality they were fighting for their country as you would fight for yours. Their leader was mislead and overpowering but they could not help that, they were doing what they could to save their lives and there country . I'm not saying I support the nazi's or anything like that, but they probably thought the exact same thing of us. So please stop being so judgemental and understand they were doing what was right for them , to stay alive , and this was definitely not the right thing to do , but they deserve some respect for all their soldiers that were wrecklessely killed while trying to defend their own countries.

And you live in Germany and are possibly german , so I would of thought that you would have some respect for your country past, wether it was right or wrong in your opinion.

I'm sorry to rant but I felt the need to say this.
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Well, obviously being a german citizen I should be able to comment on that much more than you are "allowed" to in respect of how I can or should feel about MY country or its past. And crap relates to what it is at the moment, not to what it was in the past. At the moment it is a piece of crap and money could be more wisely spent.

But sorry, I dont have Oany respect for a country or for as technical thing, I have respect for the PEOPLE who die in this plane. And therefore a grave shouldnt be touched.

Your comment looks unfortunately to me like you defend what Nazis did, otherwise wonder why you could write it like this. There is simply no excuse to what they did and how they did it....simply put.

BTW, they didnt defend their country, they attacked other countries. Maybe you should sign up for a repeat lesson in history, I dont expect you know what you are talking about with 13 years obviously.

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Well, obviously being a german citizen I should be able to comment on that much more than you are "allowed" to in respect of how I can or should feel about MY country or its past. And crap relates to what it is at the moment, not to what it was in the past. At the moment it is a piece of crap and money could be more wisely spent.

But sorry, I dont have Oany respect for a country or for as technical thing, I have respect for the PEOPLE who die in this plane. And therefore a grave shouldnt be touched.

Your comment looks unfortunately to me like you defend what Nazis did, otherwise wonder why you could write it like this. There is simply no excuse to what they did and how they did it....simply put.

BTW, they didnt defend their country, they attacked other countries. Maybe you should sign up for a repeat lesson in history, I dont expect you know what you are talking about with 13 years obviously.

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Yes I'm thirteen , well done on that, and sure Germany attacked other countries , I have nothing to do with the nazis and do not support them in any way as you have suggested, and actually I'm 1/2 german and my mom gran and great grandad are all german. Ok so germany was mislead by a power driven (idiot) in my opinion, who taught his country that what he was doing was right or you were worth nothing to your country, they were only fighting for what their leader who was dumbfounded over whats right and wrong to protect their own lives.
And fair enough , their graves shouldn't be touched , but that is like saying that someone killed in the street, they don't just bury them there in the street where they died, they bury them in a graveyard , and the place continues to be used. It like saying today on the anniversary of 9/11 that we shouldn't have touched the debris or collapsed buildings as it was a grave for almost 3000. And fair enough this is not what it used to be ... Yes it's in bad condition.. But that doesn't change the fact it's a peice of history with one hell of a background story.

Also this 'grave' is empty of human remains as I believe two pilots survived and the others were washed to shore... So as long as they state where this is displayed/placed if it is brought up the fact that people died in their and should respect that.

So , you may think I'm a dumb 13 year old, and I may not know all the facts, but I sure know how to put my opinion out there .. As you are entitled to yours.

So please if you have a problem with what I'm saying , say it , I don't care because I am speaking MY opinion. You may not agree with me but this is what I think ... So feel free to reply , just please stop trying to call me a dumb thirteen year old who shouldn't be allowed to put himself out there, because I am entitled to what I want to say.
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Now we are getting into a political discussion and I don't see anyone complaining.
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Now we are getting into a political discussion and I don't see anyone complaining.
Really, Tupe? Or is this an historical discussion?
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On the whole "Grave" issue. I should say this first, there were many USSAF and RAF bombers which got shot up or blown apart by 88mm Flak shells but made it back that lost crew members. Many of those planes were scrapped considering they survived the war after being repaired. A few ended up flying around with various groups. I guess few seem to consider that when they look at some of these restored machines from WWII. That and the crew members who had died had washed ashore during the war. Is it bad form? Likely so, but I wouldn't call it touching a grave.

Anyways, with that said, it will be interesting to see how they restore this, considering there are no complete examples in existence today. Just large sections that are somewhat in tact. With the photos of it I've seen, it makes me wonder why pull it up, when they could build a replica. Seems that this might be more work than it might really be worth. Of course, I'd likely have the same reaction if they found a WWII era Polish aircraft, like another P.11c or even a P.37.
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