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Old 04-04-2011, 12:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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BBC News - Wreckage from Air France jet found in Atlantic

2 years and 13,000 feet later it seems the search efforts have finally paid off. For the sake of victim's families, I hope this enigma is solved soon.
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2 years and 13,000 feet later it seems the search efforts have finally paid off. For the sake of victim's families, I hope this enigma is solved soon.
But the "burning question" is ... are the pitot tubes STILL frozen over?
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At that depth, who knows
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But the "burning question" is ... are the pitot tubes STILL frozen over?
Yes probably just like the frozen 787 program, and all it's delays!



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Just saw this on the news. From the pictures coming from below at least the center section has been located as mlg and what looked like wing parts were seeable. Unfortunately it doesn't mean tail section (and thus black boxes) is anywhere close.
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In an article I just read: ""I'm not an expert but everything didn't explode. There is part of the cabin and in this cabin there are bodies." She said it was possible that the bodies might be identified."

If they know which rows of the cabin, I would think they'd be able to identify the bodies from the manifest.
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In an article I just read: ""I'm not an expert but everything didn't explode. There is part of the cabin and in this cabin there are bodies." She said it was possible that the bodies might be identified."

If they know which rows of the cabin, I would think they'd be able to identify the bodies from the manifest.
After two years will those bodies even be identifiable? This all may finally give closure to most families of the victims on board, but will bring on a new wave of sorrow and grief!



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Wouldn't the airline be able to identify the passengers' remains by the seat assignment? Assuming the remains are still strapped in their seats...
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What's really creepy is that those bodies are still 'intact'. After 2 years under sea water with marine life present, how is that possible? I wouldn't even like to think what they might look like. Its macabre.



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Perhaps it's the depth and the temperature that has preserved them. Hard to know.
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Yes but what about sharks and other marine organisms?



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Ask yourself this question. If you could see video of the passengers still there, would you do it?

I know there are a lot of differences between this situation and the Titanic, but for some reason it seems eerily similar as well.
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Yes but what about sharks and other marine organisms?
I would think micro-organisms would more take their toll on the remains than sharks.

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Ask yourself this question. If you could see video of the passengers still there, would you do it?

That's a tough one. Depends on the level of deterioration.


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I know there are a lot of differences between this situation and the Titanic, but for some reason it seems eerily similar as well.
And I have quite a fascination with Titanic, as I do with any ship/aircraft disaster.

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I for one hope any videos, pics do not surface (no pun intended). I can hardly imagine in what state they will be in. This is all getting a bit too morbid. No fascination with death.



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Glad they found some parts! I am hoping to hear more about this!
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I doubt we'll see images of any remains, out of respect for those who perished and their loved ones.
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All this talk of decomposing remains still strapped into their seats just makes my flesh crawl. Time to exit this thread . . . (*gross*)
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Well, it is good to know they have found the wreckage, perhaps they are one step closer to finding the Black Boxes. But the Boxes are one of the most important things to salvage from the wreck. I still remember reading about it on the First of June, 2009. Still hard to believe that a jet so modern and sophisticated, such as the A330 (although I am not saying that Airbus jets are invincible) can go down without a trace. This is the first fatal A330 crash, correct? I wouldn't mind seeing photos of the wreckage or how it is spread out, but I would rather not see the bodies.
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I'd like to know how far from the first debris field (tail section, etc.) the newly found wreckage is.
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I wouldn't mind seeing photos of the wreckage or how it is spread out, but I would rather see the bodies.
Do you actually mean that ?
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Very likely the remains of those passengers found will be identified by dental charts and seat configuration, since it's probable the passengers remained strapped to their seats even at impact and most likely died at that moment. Now whether the seats stayed bolted to the floor would be another matter. BTW, for those of you morbidly curious types, the bodies would be mostly skeletal at this point due to marine life and not decomposition, and after about 20 years of immersion, there wouldn't even be skeletons. In ship wrecks, the bodies are identified and then generally reburied at sea...but I'm guessing the relatives in this case would want their loved ones back for burial.
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Do you actually mean that ?
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It still amazes me that they are able to locate aircraft at such depths below the sea, and be able to salvage (hopefully) the parts they will need to determine the cause of the crash. Modern science has brought us some great things! I still remember the day of the crash, I first learned about it while in French class from Wikipedia!
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Thought so... just had to check though.
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Very likely the remains of those passengers found will be identified by dental charts and seat configuration, since it's probable the passengers remained strapped to their seats even at impact and most likely died at that moment. Now whether the seats stayed bolted to the floor would be another matter. BTW, for those of you morbidly curious types, the bodies would be mostly skeletal at this point due to marine life and not decomposition, and after about 20 years of immersion, there wouldn't even be skeletons. In ship wrecks, the bodies are identified and then generally reburied at sea...but I'm guessing the relatives in this case would want their loved ones back for burial.
My thoughts too, skeletal remains are all that's likely to be found at this point in time, and as gruesome as it may sound, I'd suggest they leave them there.
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This is one of the most moving discoveries in this decade. I was very happy that they found the remains of both the aircraft and the victims, now some families can get closure.

Well done, all those explorers who found the wreck.
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This is the first fatal A330 crash, correct? I wouldn't mind seeing photos of the wreckage or how it is spread out, but I would rather not see the bodies.
The first fatal passenger flight, but prior to that there was a test flight in 1994 that killed 4 passengers and 3 crew.

For those who haven't seen them, pictures of the wreckage can be found here.

I'm very curious to see how things develop. The cause of an accident this devastating needs to be determined to prevent a recurrence.
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I wouldn't mind seeing photos of the bodies, I'd be rather interested in those pics to see how their condition has been "preserved"(as mentioned in the article) in the dark and cold seawater.
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The first fatal passenger flight, but prior to that there was a test flight in 1994 that killed 4 passengers and 3 crew.

For those who haven't seen them, pictures of the wreckage can be found here.

I'm very curious to see how things develop. The cause of an accident this devastating needs to be determined to prevent a recurrence.
Right, I never knew about the test flight. But there have been several Airbus crashes during testing (Etihad A340, this A330 Crash an an XL A320 test flight in 2008).

The first Fatal Passenger Crash of an A330 was actually in May of last year. When an Afriqiyah Airways A330 crashed in Tripoli, Libya. It almost seems like that crash was forgotten about, it was on the news for about a day and a half and I have heard nothing about any investigation into the cause of the crash since. Accident Database: Accident Synopsis 05122010
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