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Old 08-09-2009, 11:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This short video illustrates why Concorde was Concorde. (Still) awesome.



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That aircraft will always be the most awesome ever (IMO).
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This was amazing aircraft, glad I have model of it.
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That aircraft will always be the most awesome ever (IMO).
I totally agree!!! The most beautiful aircraft that has been in regular service, the Queen of the skies...
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Man, it still gives me goosebumps... imagine what a punch in the pants that must have been when the pilot hit the throttle to abort that landing.
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This thread prompted me to watch more Concorde videos on youtube. Probably should not have done that, as tears began to flow. It is really bizarre how an aircraft can cause me to become so emotional.
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Such a shame its now confined to the history books....

Would have been some power when he lit them babys up to go around

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The Concorde was what helped get me in to Aviation. I Remember the day it came to YYZ for one of The Last Flights. I insisited to my Parents on skipping School but unfotunately No one Cooperated. The Next Day I cut the Concorde Article out of the Toronto Star and still have it in my room to this day. I also have a nice Model of G-BOAC displayed with some of my 1:200 planes.

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I dont think he even lit the burners there. In 1984 during one of the regular training details they messed up an approach and HAD to use the burners. Our windows were shaking from +6nm away and my neighbour who was unfortunatre enough to be drriving past the threshold was deafened for hours it was really noisy even indoors with the windows shut "Sorry, we made a mess of that one" was the call to ATC.
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I dont think he even lit the burners there. In 1984 during one of the regular training details they messed up an approach and HAD to use the burners. Our windows were shaking from +6nm away and my neighbour who was unfortunatre enough to be drriving past the threshold was deafened for hours it was really noisy even indoors with the windows shut "Sorry, we made a mess of that one" was the call to ATC.

Even if I didn't know your location, I'd still have guessed it was a Speedbird.
No way in the world Air Chance would have ever made that radio transmission!

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My most memorable Concord moment, believe it or not, was in Guam. Several years ago, I had an assignment were I traveled to Guam every few months. On one of my trips, when I arrived at GUM, there was the Concord at one of the gates. It was one of those "what the hell" moments. After further investigation, I found out that Guam was a stop on a round the world Concord trip.
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This thread prompted me to watch more Concorde videos on youtube. Probably should not have done that, as tears began to flow. It is really bizarre how an aircraft can cause me to become so emotional.
Randy, Randy, Randy, you really need to find a soul-mate, bud. But I have to admit, the Concorde is a plane worth getting emotional about, it was a sensational aircraft that gave true grace to flight.
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I suspect part of my becoming emotional about it (aside from simply being the type of person who is overly sensitive) is that it had been a dream of mine for so long to fly to London on Concorde, with a return on a 744, and that dream will never become a reality, obviously. Visiting G-BOAG here in Seattle was truly a highlight for me, and one I will never forget. (See my avatar.) In fact, after seeing those videos, I'm thinking about visiting her again in a few weeks.
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While I am a fan of the looks of the really fast mailtruck, it's charm and technological capability is not the same of Concorde. The Concorde is possibly the most advanced airliner we will have for a long time, maybe for at least 40 years down the road. Not even the Boeing Plastic Beer Bottle and the Airbus Whalejet can touch it.
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It's all a numbers game in the airline business...what can be the most profitable aircraft, not what it looks like (although there still is consideration for that). The Whalejet is all about stuffing more people into one aircraft to maximize profits, while the Plasticjet is all about economizing to maximize profits. Concorde was a vanity project that never made money for anyone, but was also an exercise in what could have become the type of aircraft for rapid overseas travel (think SST/Boeing) if companies were willing to put the money into those projects. Concorde was too small, the engines were not very economical, and the airframe was expensive to produce. It really was a plane ahead of its time and ahead of the technology to make it efficient and cost-effective.
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I agree completely, Steve. But I'm so glad we got to have her for 27 years.
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Me too. And even though we need to keep some examples preserved for people to stare at with their mouths open, it's sad to see the Queen of the Sky sitting like a huge lawn ornament or stuffed Dodo bird. Nothing like seeing it in flight.
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My most memorable Concord moment, believe it or not, was in Guam. Several years ago, I had an assignment were I traveled to Guam every few months. On one of my trips, when I arrived at GUM, there was the Concord at one of the gates. It was one of those "what the hell" moments. After further investigation, I found out that Guam was a stop on a round the world Concord trip.
Not very far into your first sentence and I really thought you were telling us about a particularly noteworthy experience with Concord grapes, but then it all became clear when you mentioned the Concorde resting at Guam. I suppose the ship was one of the Air France birds? Do you happen to recall the approximate date of your "WTH" moment?
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The Concorde was no commercial aircraft. It was a high speed jet interceptor that just happened to carry passengers. Strap on four Olympus 593 turbojets to a relatively small aircraft and that's what you get!
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Even if I didn't know your location, I'd still have guessed it was a Speedbird.
No way in the world Air Chance would have ever made that radio transmission!

Powerful connections with Concorde and Prestwick. It was used a fair amount by the British prototypes for test flying from the Fairford base (supersonic trials were carried out off the west coast of Scotland during these detachments and I once met one of the engineers who was sent up with it!!) and for many many years, it was the crew training base for British Airways Concordes. Heathrow might have had its twice daily arrivals and departures but on a busy day we would have 40+ and often for weeks at a time. And the crews would throw it around starting off each detail with a really really low fly by. Fun fun fun. Those air to air shots in the Landor scheme?? taken from Clay Lacy's Learjet at Prestwick!
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It's all a numbers game in the airline business...what can be the most profitable aircraft, not what it looks like (although there still is consideration for that). The Whalejet is all about stuffing more people into one aircraft to maximize profits, while the Plasticjet is all about economizing to maximize profits. Concorde was a vanity project that never made money for anyone, but was also an exercise in what could have become the type of aircraft for rapid overseas travel (think SST/Boeing) if companies were willing to put the money into those projects. Concorde was too small, the engines were not very economical, and the airframe was expensive to produce. It really was a plane ahead of its time and ahead of the technology to make it efficient and cost-effective.
I certainly understand that! I never said anything about economics to start with! Just said it was very advanced, I think even for today's standards. There was a plan by Tupolev after the Tu-144 that was floating around in the late 70s/1980s about the Tupolev Tu-244. Basically, think of it like this; a Giant Tu-144/Concorde like aircraft, but it is the size of the Boeing 2707, with capacity 300 and range 10,000km.

Just saying it seemed to have gotten far enough to be feasible, and it would be filled with tons of modern tech, cameras instead of the tilting nose, fly by wire, etc.
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The Iran Air ticket office in London still has a large vintage Concorde model on display which was from the time IR had placed orders for them before they were cancelled.



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It's great to see so many enthusiasts here still loving Concorde! I was amazed at the way power was applied and the aircraft attitude literally changed direction that second!

Sorry for typo...should be "SHEER" go around power. Anyhow, she was great and I;m glad we have a beautiful example in NYC. Below some pics from March 09~ They'll be helpful for my next sketch. Enjoy!
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What's there not to love about the Concorde? It was a marvel then, and still is now. A classic in a class of her own.

I'm not into fantasy liveries on aircraft much, but I would take a fleet of these in customer orders/liveries of the day 40+ years ago. What a sleek fleet that would be!
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Isn't that G-BOAD in NY? If I ever get to NYC again in the near future, I just might have to tour that one, too.
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As someone who HAS flown her (BA002 JFK-LHR 8-5-00 G-BOAA) I can concur with all thoughts above: A punch in the pants? Oh HELL YES! Beautiful? Sexy? Mmmm hmmmm! The experience will never be forgotten. I'm lucky I have so many pics and ESPECIALLY the video, both of which will be converted to digital as soon as I get off my lazy arse.....I will post on here!
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Sorry for typo...should be "SHEER" go around power. Anyhow, she was great and I;m glad we have a beautiful example in NYC. Below some pics from March 09~ They'll be helpful for my next sketch. Enjoy!
I figured you meant "shear" as in "wind shear", since that was why he had to throttle-up.
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I was fortunate enough to travel as a passenger on Concorde four times. The first was when my wife and I married 21 years ago, and then in 2001 after it had returned to service and the WTC attacks, we were able to take advantage of some attractive staff travel tickets to use it again on 3 occassions. At the time we had a second home in Orlando and My 12 year old son and I would travel from London Heathrow to JFK on the Concorde and connect with a Jet blue service from JFK to MCO. Dom perignon and caviar to Dr Pepper and crackers!

The whole experience of Concorde from the exclusive check-in through to the Concorde lounge, and then your verbal invitation to board the aircraft at your leisure, made you feel that you as well as the aircraft, was somehow special. The leather seats were no wider than most economy seats, and the tiny little windows were smaller than your hand. Through them you would notice how all the surrounding ground crews and baggage handlers would still stop and stare, even though the sight was obviously part of their everyday experience.

As the aircraft taxied out, either the Captain or another crewmember would provide an introduction to the experience that was about to take place. The noise and kick at take off as the afterburners on the Rolls Royce Olympus engines were ignited and the brakes were released. The aircraft accelerated quickly and rotated rapidly into the sky, and soon sailed past Windsor castle. You couldn't help wonder if the occupant herself was actually looking up with a twinge of envy that her own chariot of choice was heading for the western skies.

Out over the Western approaches and the Bristol Channel, the climb cruise acceleration to supersonic flight would start, as the linen tablecloths and champagne top ups were being attended to. Lunch would be served in courses as the green mach meter at the front of each of of the 2 cabins sliced its way up through 0.99, 1.00 and eventually up to 2.00 without so much as a ripple to mark the event. The aircraft flying on its own North Atlantic Concorde tracks continued a gradual ascent up to 58,000ft (sometimes higher) before a short period of level flight and then the descent and decelaration down the Eastern seaboard. Lunch and apperetifs had been replaced by Belgian chocolates and coffee. Then there was the gift presentation. In the early days this had been a silver photo frame or something similar, later replaced by a concorde engraved ballpoint and stationary set.

Landing into New York was usually either a straight in arrival from the North or the descending turns of the Canarsie arrival down past Coney island and through Jamaica bay. The steep flare of the delta wing and the rumble as contact was once again made with the Earth only 3 hours and 20 minutes since taking off. Even US immigration and customs was a quick polite check as those no nonsense New Yorkers seemed to implicitly accept that trouble from poor hungry masses yearning to breathe free and the wretched refuse of a teeming shore, probably weren't coming in on this bird!

Concorde for a few hours put you literally on top of the world. On that special day you were one of only a few people who were the fastest, highest, most pampered citizens on the planet. You walked through the terminal at either end with a sense of euphoria, style and panache that only evaporated as you joined the poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free at the Jet blue check-in line. Still it was always good practice for a typical afternoon at Disneyworld!

On one flight my wife and our younger children left London on a Boeing 777 non stop for MCO just as my 12 year old son and I left on the Concorde. Despite a 3 hour wait in JFK for the connecting A320 flight to MCO we still arrived first.

Concorde gave the two airlines who operated it a cachet and an exclusivity that they were able to trade on in other areas of their business. They had something that made them stand out from other airlines, and something that made them special. Now that has gone they are just two more struggling airlines in a big crowd. I am glad one of my children had the opportunity to experience this special piece of history. It is a sad indictment on our current level of humanity, that we need to point back 40 years to the day we could first fly in passenger planes at 1350MPH, twice the speed of sound and we could put men on the moon. Four decades later, we cannot reliably put together a carbon fibre replacement for a 767 without years of anguish and excuse.

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What a great and wonderful story!! I don't suppose you took photos of the Concordes you flew on? Perhaps while at the gate?
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I figured you meant "shear" as in "wind shear", since that was why he had to throttle-up.
It does work both ways. Take your pick!

Excellent story VC-10. Thanks for sharing those flight experiences~
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Glad you shared your experience VC. Those of us who will never know that thrill got a tiny look back at it through your very descriptive anecdote. In a way, flying on the Concorde must have been like flying to the moon...once you've done it, how can flying get any better than that?
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It is really bizarre how an aircraft can cause me to become so emotional.
In my case, watching videos of the Boeing 787 cause me to become emotional ( ) ... but for an entirely different reason ...
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In my case, watching videos of the Boeing 787 cause me to become emotional ( ) ... but for an entirely different reason ...
I feel ya man! I've never been a huge fan of the 787, but the idea that the once-proud Boeing Aircraft Co. is having so many embarrassing problems and delays on the 787 project is sad. I hope Boeing can save face somehow in the end!
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