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Old 12-01-2007, 09:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question More Widget trivia...

Based on the exchange of information that we've had recently, regarding Delta's widget MD-11's, here's a little more trivia, for the pondering.
Some of you diehards will know the answer, but let's give the rest of the folks some time to have a little fun!
O.k., here goes...
Way back in the day, we all know that Delta wasted no time in building a sizeable fleet of "Big Jets!" But not so well known is the airline's experience with turboprop aircraft.
What were the primary "turboprop" aircraft types operated by "mainline" Delta, and how many of those actually wore the "Widget" scheme?
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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FH-227
L-100

Can't find my Delta book by R E G Davies so I can't answer the rest
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FH-227
L-100
Can't find my Delta book by R E G Davies so I can't answer the rest
Is that your "final answer?"

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They didn't fly Electra's, did they?
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Based on the exchange of information that we've had recently, regarding Delta's widget MD-11's, here's a little more trivia, for the pondering.
This is really interesting...I hope I learn more about DL Widget here!
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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They didn't fly Electra's, did they?
Delta declined Lockheed's "full court" press for the PropJet Electra, though many decades earlier they had operated the original model Electra. The L-100 civilian Herc was the one and only Lockheed turboprop to make its way into the Delta fleet. Among many other notable distinctions, it is the only dedicated freighter that ever wore the Widget scheme, as Delta has not operated "freighters," since the Herc's were retired.

If fortunes and circumstance had been a bit different, I've often pondered thoughts of all the cargo birds that "might" have worn the Widget! Could you imagine a Super DC-8 FanJet Freighter, or perhaps a 747-132F Air Freighter, way back in the day!!!
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F-227H Flew Widget, But They Were Inherited From Northeast.
Hybrids Could Be Spotted In The Day Too.
AFAIK Delta Never Got Convair 580s. The 440s Never Saw The Widget & Were Piston Powered Anyway.
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So Don, was I right? Those were the only two to wear the widget (turboprop)...I think.
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So Don, was I right? Those were the only two to wear the widget (turboprop)...I think.
You're right on the money, it's the L-100 and the FH-227 for the only "propjets" operated by Delta!
Lockheed's PropJet Electra had been given serious consideration by Delta and was a favorite of Mr. Woolman's (Delta's founder and longtime CEO). Though Mr. Woolman liked the Electra, he was concerned about the length of time it would take for Lockheed to deliver the new ships. The production line at Burbank would be busy churning out Electra's for American and Eastern, primarily. The best proposal that Lockheed could offer Delta, was three Electras, with deliveries to begin nine months after arch-rival Eastern would have their first Electras. Though Delta's board of directors did approve the purchase of up to fifteen Electras, at a meeting on 27 Jan 1956, Lockheed was never able to better their initial offer, and Delta bypassed early turboprops altogether. Several weeks later, Delta ordered six Douglas DC-8's for delivery in June 1959, and began preparations to move directly into the jet age.
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You're right on the money, it's the L-100 and the FH-227 for the only "propjets" operated by Delta!
Lockheed's PropJet Electra had been given serious consideration by Delta and was a favorite of Mr. Woolman's (Delta's founder and longtime CEO). Though Mr. Woolman liked the Electra, he was concerned about the length of time it would take for Lockheed to deliver the new ships. The production line at Burbank would be busy churning out Electra's for American and Eastern, primarily. The best proposal that Lockheed could offer Delta, was three Electras, with deliveries to begin nine months after arch-rival Eastern would have their first Electras. Though Delta's board of directors did approve the purchase of up to fifteen Electras, at a meeting on 27 Jan 1956, Lockheed was never able to better their initial offer, and Delta bypassed early turboprops altogether. Several weeks later, Delta ordered six Douglas DC-8's for delivery in June 1959, and began preparations to move directly into the jet age.
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Thanks for the kind words, Dylan. Much appreciated!
Be sure to stay tuned for more Widget trivia, coming soon.

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Old 12-04-2007, 06:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Really enjoyed the trivia question!

There was a rumour around when I started with Delta (1969), that C. E. Woolman had planned to order 15 DC *-61s, with the last two being freighters. Due to production delays at Douglas causing cancellation of Super DC 8 flights already loaded into Delta's schedule, Mr. Woolman cut the order back to 13 (which were delivered as passenger aircraft). In those days, Woolman and Donald Douglas Sr. had a "handshake" arrangement when ordering airplanes was concerned. Woolman would call Douglas Sr. on the phone and order aircraft verbally. Douglas would then begin production and much later contract details were worked out. This type of relationship was not all that unusual in the South at that time. You (and your company) were expected to be "men of your word". Imagine that way of doing business today!
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