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Old 11-07-2006, 01:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default FedEx A380s are now Fantasy Models

Fedex just cancelled their order for 10 A380 F planes and ordered 15+15 777Fs.

They are now real collectors items.

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That's right! Check this out:

FedEx cancels A380 orders, cites delays - Yahoo! News
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Old 11-07-2006, 01:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Two questions regarding this cancellation:

1.) With the B777F as the replacement, will it eventually become the workhorse of FedEx in future?

2.) Does that mean that MEM will no longer be modified to accomodate the A380?
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oh sad day.
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This is good news for Boeing but I thought they would have gone for a mix of 777F's and 748F's.

But I guess that is still a possibility or maybe UPS will.

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R.I.P. A380F.

I think its days are numbered, and the first cargo item hasn't even flown in it yet.

What's rather remarkable about this is that we're talking the 'cargo' version, which has NO interior to speak of - wherein the issue lies with the complex wiring configurations that airlines are demanding - which is partly to blame for the major delays.

Could the passenger version follow a similar fate?

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You can rest assured that the A380 is not going to die as a result of the Fedex cancellation; neither the passenger version nor the freighter. Do not forget that both UPS and Emirates both have the freighter on order and I believe Emirates has an order that is in the double digits.

I think more than anything this is going to press Airbus into making some bargin-basement deals the likes have never been seen before in the commercial aircraft industry.

With as much that Airbus has invested into this program, the many European governments that support Airbus are not about to watch this program go under.
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You can rest assured that the A380 is not going to die as a result of the Fedex cancellation; neither the passenger version nor the freighter. Do not forget that both UPS and Emirates both have the freighter on order and I believe Emirates has an order that is in the double digits.

I think more than anything this is going to press Airbus into making some bargin-basement deals the likes have never been seen before in the commercial aircraft industry.

With as much that Airbus has invested into this program, the many European governments that support Airbus are not about to watch this program go under.
Emirates converted their order for the 2 x A380F to pax versions.
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Old 11-07-2006, 05:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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anyways ill hope to see the UPS one
IMO the A380F would be perfect to UPS and FEDEX no?
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Old 11-07-2006, 05:50 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You can rest assured that the A380 is not going to die as a result of the Fedex cancellation; neither the passenger version nor the freighter. Do not forget that both UPS and Emirates both have the freighter on order and I believe Emirates has an order that is in the double digits.
double digits isnt going to be enough... w/only ~160 orders and the need for almost 500 to be profitable... most likely wont happen...

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2.) Does that mean that MEM will no longer be modified to accomodate the A380?
My thoughts exactly. I am not sure whether MEM have allready begun or halfway the modification for 380. If so, Then what do? Waste of money or benefit anyway? That probably would benefit 777F even though if it is modified? Air France once complained how 777 can stress runway.

It is going to be interesting to see how things goes well with 777F whether it is dependable than the MD-11?
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Emirates converted their order for the 2 x A380F to pax versions.
That makes it 45 (pax) A380s, right? If I am not mistaken, it was 43 pax and 2 freighters.
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double digits isnt going to be enough... w/only ~160 orders and the need for almost 500 to be profitable... most likely wont happen...

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Has Airbus ever been concerned with profit?
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Old 11-07-2006, 10:52 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Too bad. That bloated monster is a waste of euros. If one of those things ever bites the dirt, Airbus is going to sink faster than the Titanic. This plane was created to stroke the egos of AI management, but bigger doesn't mean better. They would have done better to do some F conversions on A330s or 340s, better planes all around. And they probably would have come in on time and budget.
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...Airbus is going to sink faster than the Titanic...
That's when Airbus will be officially named "Airbust", like how MarinerOne's avatar shows.
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This is starting to remind me of the Bristol Brabazon or Republic Rainbow. Looked great from the beginning but quickly became history.
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:25 PM   #18 (permalink)
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all a380 models will be collector pieces if airbus dont get there finger out,
but as md11 said, it has european government backing everywhere because of the jobs it supplys to germany, france, uk etc so itll probably get there one day, but the time delay cant be doing airbus any favours especially as boeings dreamliner and new 747 are already planned and selling well for the future
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FedEx said it did not expect the shift in aircraft purchases to adversely affect its operations. Spokesman Maury Lane said that while the Boeing 777s carry slightly smaller payloads that Airbus A380s, "we believe that we have created advantages in more nonstop, point-to-point transoceanic routes that have shorter flight times."
That comment will hurt Airbus' 380... The whole A380 is based on that concept.

Also, why would anyone order a A380F if a B777F carries "slightly smaller payloads" with two engines?
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That comment will hurt Airbus' 380... The whole A380 is based on that concept.
Also, why would anyone order a A380F if a B777F carries "slightly smaller payloads" with two engines?
Not sure who came up with "slightly smaller payloads"?
777F=101-103 tonnes.
A380F= 149-157 tonnes.
In the region of 50+ tonnes is the difference!
That is a lot of freight!
Only the An-224 can carry more than the A380F with 187 tonnes being carried aloft a couple of years ago.
I think we will prob see UPS cancel their 10 A380F`s too,if i am correct they were going to share maintenace/engineering costs with the FedEx fleet.
......and that will leave just 5 orders from International Lease Finance Corp.
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I think Airbus is going to find it more cost effective to concentrate on passenger liner 380s vs freighters, since the demand for cargo aircraft is so small. The cargo carriers are going with the proven models, and 777s have been around for a few years now, and have an excellent record. Airbus screwed the pooch with this tub.
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Not sure who came up with "slightly smaller payloads"?
777F=101-103 tonnes.
A380F= 149-157 tonnes.
In the region of 50+ tonnes is the difference!
That is a lot of freight!
Only the An-224 can carry more than the A380F with 187 tonnes being carried aloft a couple of years ago.
I think we will prob see UPS cancel their 10 A380F`s too,if i am correct they were going to share maintenace/engineering costs with the FedEx fleet.
......and that will leave just 5 orders from International Lease Finance Corp.
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The fifty tons is really alot but the question is the price. If the 777 is cheap enough, combined with the maintenance cost, and fuel savings, their cost per ton could be well worth it. Shipping boxes or passengers all amount to cost per ton. Boeing probably made a deal Fed Ex couldn't refuse and the numbers backed the purchase.

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whattt????????? nooooooooooo wayyyyyyyyyyy. darn, i was looking forward to seeing thes a380F. bummer
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Any political influence behind? For example, did the Bush administration / U.S. government force FedEx to cancel the European made stuff & order the U.S. domestic market made...?

If this is true, UPS will be next...!
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Any political influence behind? For example, did the Bush administration / U.S. government force FedEx to cancel the European made stuff & order the U.S. domestic market made...?

If this is true, UPS will be next...!
Nope, simply a matter of economics, promises made and broken, and Airbus's inability to nail down a rollout date.
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Any political influence behind? For example, did the Bush administration / U.S. government force FedEx to cancel the European made stuff & order the U.S. domestic market made...?
If this is true, UPS will be next...!
Not quite! Airbus has had issues of electrical and other problems that plague the plane. For being fantastic in size it also has problems with it. It is having problems even getting to the first airlines that ordered her. So Fed Ex is fed up with the problems and have decied on an alternate form of transport.
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