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Old 09-28-2021, 06:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Serious question, but has any aircraft fallen out of favor faster than the Airbus A380? Aside from not receiving a single new variant, such as the proposed Airbus A380-900, the Airbus A380 has been in commercial service less than 15 years, with several operators having already retired the type. I understand that the COVID-19 pandemic didn't do the Airbus A380 any favors, but there was already talk of retiring it before the pandemic hit. Typically commercial aircraft are in service for at least 25 years before retiring that particular airframe, but the rate that the Airbus A380 is being retired, with no apparent second-hand market for it is surprising. So has any other aircraft fallen out of favor faster than the Airbus A380? Thanks to anyone that replies.
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Old 09-28-2021, 08:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The A380 came 5-10 years too late. Once the twin engine jets were approved for long distance overwater flights, no one wanted a four engine plane any more.
Airbus also did the plane no favors when it cancelled the cargo version, that may have helped.
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The Lockheed L-188 Electra was probably pretty close.
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Off the top of my head, weren't the A380 and the B787 basically designed at the same time? The two manufacturers, had completely different visions of the future. If I have that wrong, please correct me.
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The CV990 comes to mind...
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The Electra went onto to be a great freighter & are still flying in Canada. Even the CV990 flew on as the backbone of Spantax. So despite
their initial lack of success did find a market. I would say this is more a sign of today’s world. The A318 & 737-600 seem to have suffered
like the A380, funny they were too small & the A380 too big!

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880 maybe! Comet!
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Hmmmm I'd contend that both those types had many airframes which went on to live productive 2nd careers with smaller carriers, whereas the A380...

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Off the top of my head, weren't the A380 and the B787 basically designed at the same time? The two manufacturers, had completely different visions of the future. If I have that wrong, please correct me.
Yeap, that is the way I understood it as well. I had heard both Boeing and Airbus actually got together to "look into the future", and they came away with opposite visions.
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The Electra went onto to be a great freighter & are still flying in Canada. Even the CV990 flew on as the backbone of Spantax. So despite
their initial lack of success did find a market. I would say this is more a sign of today’s world. The A318 & 737-600 seem to have suffered
like the A380, funny they were too small & the A380 too big!

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True, and I live in Yellowknife and see Electras flying nearly every day, but a mere two freighters and two fire suppression aircraft added to Air Spray’s small handful of serviceable aircraft isn’t much. They’ll likely outlast the A380 though, I agree. I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of production.
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True, and I live in Yellowknife and see Electras flying nearly every day, but a mere two freighters and two fire suppression aircraft added to Air Spray’s small handful of serviceable aircraft isn’t much. They’ll likely outlast the A380 though, I agree. I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of production.
I did spot your NWT location and thought of Buffalo! Canada being the last bastion of the Electra. I believe Air Spray are converting another one to a fire bomber.
Possibly the ex-Honduras L-188.

The Comet flew on with Dan Air who acquired many over the years. The CV880 did soldier on a bit but the freighter conversion didn’t prove a life-line, a few Latin
America carriers had them. Remember seeing a pic of one landing with the cargo door wide open!

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...The A318 & 737-600 seem to have suffered
like the A380, funny they were too small & the A380 too big!

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The problems are still related though.
A 736 or 318 both carry all the unneeded extra structural weight of their bigger sisters' design. They aren't too small but simply too heavy per seat - that means too high costs per seat.
The 380 also was designed to allow a stretched -900 from the start hence its smallest version (-800) also carries more structural weight than would be necessary. A clean design to the target size of the -800 would have been cheaper on a per seat base. The way it is, the 380 doesn't have much of a cost advantage over a 787 or 350 while the latter have the advantage of filling up a LOT faster and the ability to serve the average airport.

Wait what A321XLR will do to 787 etc..
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The A380 was a folly from the beginning, it was Airbus' obsession with dethroning Boeing grip on heavy 4-engined aircraft. Just when the world of aviation began to embrace large twins. Such a shame that the 747-8 could of been around for another 25 years without the Skypig being produced.
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Remember that when Airbus designed the A380, they had forecasted the predicted growth in passenger numbers and required amount of new aircraft to fly all of them.
With this the amount of movement slots at airports which supposedly would not be able to support these extra slots, so out came the A380 to counter this issue.
I guess they also forgot that airports can build new runways and cities can build new airports.
So far, the only airlines which have been able to utilise it have been BA and to an extent, Qantas between SYD-DFW (which wasn't a daily flight too).
BA fly out of Heathrow which is what airport style the A380 was designed for, but not every airport isn't squished in between suburbia with just 2 runways and no room for expansion.
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Thanks for all of the replies.

Unfortunately more Airbus A380s are going to be scrapped:

A380s Bite The Dust: Singapore Airline To Dismantle 2 More Jets
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The A380 was a folly from the beginning, it was Airbus' obsession with dethroning Boeing grip on heavy 4-engined aircraft. Just when the world of aviation began to embrace large twins. Such a shame that the 747-8 could of been around for another 25 years without the Skypig being produced.
In my opinion, within the larger arc of commercial aviation history, the dethroning never happened. The 747 still evokes a certain grace and is synonymous with international travel, an airliner literally first in its class, the world becoming more connected, glamour, engineering challenges overcome, tactful yet powerful curves and form, etc etc. Whereas the 380 evokes, well...a few choice words that I'd leave out of the public forum...
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