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Old 09-21-2020, 03:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 09-21-2020, 04:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Breaking: Strong Likelihood Lufthansa’s A380s Will Never Fly Again
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With a 9 billion-euro bailout of Lufthansa, the German government will now have a 20% stake in the airline. Possibly more to preserve the airline and prevent a hostile takeover.

In part, that money will cover all related costs to the aircraft that Lufthansa has put into long-term storage and eventual scrapping. The A-340's average age is 18 years. So, the pain will be less felt than the newer A-380s.
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The A-380 program was always a vanity program to defeat Boeing's dominance in the quad engined heavy haulers. Too big, too expensive, too bad. Sad that this beast meant that fewer 747s would grace our skies for decades to come.
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The A-380 program was always a vanity program to defeat Boeing's dominance in the quad engined heavy haulers. Too big, too expensive, too bad. Sad that this beast meant that fewer 747s would grace our skies for decades to come.
The A-380 program put the screws to the widebody segment just as McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed put the screws to each other with the DC-10 and L1011.
There just wasn't enough room for two manufacturers to compete in that market.

Personally, I don't care for the front appearance of the A380. Although, that wouldn't keep me from flying in one. The A340 is an attractive bird that looks like a large 707. Four engines? Well, even in the piston era, management preferred two engines if that got the job done. But, it didn't and they had to settle with the technology and government regulations for overseas travel.
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Will agree that the Airbus A340-600 is of the best looking Airbii. Sad that it will disappear from the skies soon.
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VirginiaBreeze I'll stretch my neck out even further than the 707 to say the A340-600 reminds me more of the DC-8-60's/70's!
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VirginiaBreeze I'll stretch my neck out even further than the 707 to say the A340-600 reminds me more of the DC-8-60's/70's!
I agree. Good stretch.
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The A-380 program was always a vanity program to defeat Boeing's dominance in the quad engined heavy haulers. Too big, too expensive, too bad. Sad that this beast meant that fewer 747s would grace our skies for decades to come.
No, covid-19 is the reason 747's won't be gracing our skies for longer, same as the A380. Boeing had a modern, up to date 747 on offer. Nobody bought that either. You might also consider when the last time a US airline purchased a 747 was, and that was way before the A380 took off, both literally and conceptually.
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No, covid-19 is the reason 747's won't be gracing our skies for longer, same as the A380. Boeing had a modern, up to date 747 on offer. Nobody bought that either. You might also consider when the last time a US airline purchased a 747 was, and that was way before the A380 took off, both literally and conceptually.
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I respectfully disagree with you on your reasoning of the four engine aircraft decline. To begin with, nearly two thirds of all aircraft types have been grounded since Covid-19. Operators have been hard pressed to store and have these aircraft maintained in such great numbers.

Secondly, data has shown that four engine aircraft are much less fuel efficient than smaller widebody twin engine aircraft. As I pointed out earlier, management has always favored aircraft with two engines. Now that the technology of twin engine ETOPs has been achieved, many airlines are phasing out or bypassing the thought of four engine aircraft. In fact, airlines for the most part have been unable to fill these very large aircraft. So, it doesn't make economic sense to keep them around.

Finally, the environmental footprint of these four engine aircraft may prove problematic with regard to the ICAO's aircraft CO2 standard targets. To develop and re-engine these aircraft will be cost prohibitive. Just like cargo vessel owners, airline operators will likely scrap these aircraft long before their useful life has been met.
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