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HEYEY_AVIATION 07-10-2019 09:03 PM

Seeing the L-1011 for the first time in person
 
So I recently went out to the Emirates National Auto Museum to see some cool cars but mainly to see the ex-Caledonian Tristar sitting behind it. This plane started its life with British Airways in 1974 as G-BBAF. In 1990 it went to Caledonian still bearing the same reg. This aircraft was leased to Aer Lingus for one year in 1996 and was the only L1011 ever painted in standard Aer Lingus colors. In 2002 it moved away from Caledonian and was taken up by Ducor World Airways as 3C-QRL where it lasted until 2004 when Georgian Cargo Airlines took it up as A8-AAB (You should check out this cool article about A8-AAB). Somewhere between 2002 and 2006 this aircraft was converted to a bulk loader. In 2006 it moved over to Reem Air retaining the same registration. Lastly, it went to AMW Tchad in 2007 as TT-DWE and was stored behind the Emirates National Auto Museum since 2009-2010.

Nowadays the plane isn't usually accessible to the public but you can get some good photos from outside and inside the museum. Onto the photos:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...G_8858-01.jpeg
This is the closest I could get. Stupid crane was in the way, unfortunately. I coulda just walked past the crane because there was no fence, but I wouldn't want to be trespassing.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...G_8848-01.jpeg
Beautiful nose! Still has the Caledonian nickname on the nose, Loch Fyne!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...G_8859-01.jpeg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...G_8837-01.jpeg
Stunning RB211's!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...G_8826-01.jpeg
And lastly the beautiful S-Duct! Also, note you can see where they painted over the Caledonian logo on the tail.

Thanks for taking a look!

Ribeye 07-10-2019 09:15 PM

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Very cool report and excellent photos!

Kitty Hawk 1903 07-10-2019 09:48 PM

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Excellent post. That poor airplane. It would be nice if some billionaire could have her restored and preserved. Having flown on all variants Air Canada had, she was a lovely machine. I miss them. :sad:

NYCAAer 07-10-2019 10:00 PM

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Would love to see that plane restored in the Negus livery. Sad itís been so neglected.

The Eastern L-1011 was the first widebody I ever flew. It was roomy inside, I think when I flew it, they still had seats in a 2-4-2 configuration in coach. I had a window seat. Was a nice widebody, I liked it better as a passenger than the DC-10.

doug seeley 07-10-2019 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCAAer (Post 2707902)

The Eastern L-1011 was the first widebody I ever flew. It was roomy inside, I think when I flew it, they still had seats in a 2-4-2 configuration in coach. I had a window seat. Was a nice widebody, I liked it better as a passenger than the DC-10.

I was hanging out on airport observation decks since before the DC-10 and L-1011 were born, but never rode either. Always thought the Tristar to be superior to the -10, if for no other reason than it’s beauty, but it also was technically superior. Thanks for these photos and history of this particular airplane. I wonder if there are any other surviving L-1011 airframes? Hopefully this one will be saved, and maybe restored at some point. Keep ‘em flying, Doug

HEYEY_AVIATION 07-11-2019 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by doug seeley (Post 2707912)
I wonder if there are any other surviving L-1011 airframes?

I know for a fact that there are a lot of Tristars stored in Jordan and the UAE. One of my local airports, RKT, has 5 Tristars stored there still with all the engines. In addition to that, it has 2 DC-8's also with all the engines. There are many Tristars littered around the Middle East.

doug seeley 07-11-2019 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HEYEY_AVIATION (Post 2707936)
I know for a fact that there are a lot of Tristars stored in Jordan and the UAE. One of my local airports, RKT, has 5 Tristars stored there still with all the engines. In addition to that, it has 2 DC-8's also with all the engines. There are many Tristars littered around the Middle East.

Thank you - good to know. I suppose the Middle Eastís dry heat is a good environment for preserving the aluminum structural components, but rough on rubber and plastic parts. At least there are a few examples of the Tristar remaining. Doug

doug seeley 07-11-2019 05:56 AM

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I have also heard that the Tristar became a maintenance heavy beast toward the end of itís operational life. Is this just urban legend, or do any of our members who were actually involved with this aircraft have opinions on the matter? Just askin, Doug

HEYEY_AVIATION 07-13-2019 01:59 AM

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I have also heard that the Tristar became a maintenance heavy beast toward the end of itís operational life. Is this just urban legend, or do any of our members who were actually involved with this aircraft have opinions on the matter? Just askin, Doug

Yeah, from what I've heard Tristar's were very maintenance heavy. That's one of the reasons why none are still around

NYCAAer 07-13-2019 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by doug seeley (Post 2707968)
I have also heard that the Tristar became a maintenance heavy beast toward the end of it’s operational life. Is this just urban legend, or do any of our members who were actually involved with this aircraft have opinions on the matter? Just askin, Doug

From my experience as a 30-year flight attendant, pretty much every aircraft becomes maintenance heavy towards the end of their years. The A300-600R was notorious as it aged, as are the 767-300s, at least at AA. I think DL keeps all those old 767s going with a lot of care from Delta Tech Ops. The DC-10 was no better. The only one that I recall that stayed reliable until the very end was the venerable 727, both versions, the -100 and the -200.

It was before my time, but the very senior flight attendants I’ve flown with, many long since retired or have passed away now, told me that the 707 NEVER broke down, that plane was built like a tank, to quote Joe Patroni from “Airport.”

NYCAAer 07-13-2019 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by doug seeley (Post 2707912)
I was hanging out on airport observation decks since before the DC-10 and L-1011 were born, but never rode either. Always thought the Tristar to be superior to the -10, if for no other reason than it’s beauty, but it also was technically superior. Thanks for these photos and history of this particular airplane. I wonder if there are any other surviving L-1011 airframes? Hopefully this one will be saved, and maybe restored at some point. Keep ‘em flying, Doug

Me too. As a little kid. Watched BAC-1-11s, Convair 440s and 580s, FH-227s, Electras, 707s, DC-8s, VC-10s. Planespotting back then was far more interesting than all the boring wing-mounted twin engine jets of the present.

doug seeley 07-13-2019 10:30 PM

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Kevin - thanks for your responses, and it answers my question. I thought that the Tristar may have been Ďmaintenance heavierí than other older airliners of similar age, but from your perspective, not necessarily.

Your comments about the early Boeing jet airliners echos what I have heard, and that is that they were very well built reliable workhorses.

And my particular perspective is that quality at Boeing has definitely slipped. The introduction of the A320NEO family caught Boeing flat-footed, and the 737MAX family was rushed into production without due diligence, and the process has turned out to be a absolute nightmare for Boeing. Sad.

Keep Ďem flying, Doug

NYCAAer 07-14-2019 12:27 PM

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Another thing about the older planes as they aged, they used to stink more. The vacuum-type flush in the lavatories that was first developed for the 767 and all later aircraft hadnít been developed yet, so it was the old-fashioned blue chemical fluid used with a regular flush. There wasnít really a good way to deodorize the lavs until they had a B-Check. A friend of mine whoís been flying for Delta for 34 years used to call the L-1011 the ďSmell 1011!Ē The L-1011 wasnít the only one with that problem, it was the same on the DC-10s and 727s.

jcahea 07-14-2019 02:31 PM

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Only 2 L-1011's I flew on were Delta and Pan Am.

Baerke 07-15-2019 01:37 PM

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Very nice pics of that beautiful TriStar. What a wonderful aircraft it is.. are there any plans for it hence it stands at a museum?

dylan 07-15-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by doug seeley (Post 2707968)
I have also heard that the Tristar became a maintenance heavy beast toward the end of it’s operational life. Is this just urban legend, or do any of our members who were actually involved with this aircraft have opinions on the matter? Just askin, Doug

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Originally Posted by HEYEY_AVIATION (Post 2708336)
Yeah, from what I've heard Tristar's were very maintenance heavy. That's one of the reasons why none are still around

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Originally Posted by NYCAAer (Post 2708460)
From my experience as a 30-year flight attendant, pretty much every aircraft becomes maintenance heavy towards the end of their years. The A300-600R was notorious as it aged, as are the 767-300s, at least at AA. I think DL keeps all those old 767s going with a lot of care from Delta Tech Ops. The DC-10 was no better. The only one that I recall that stayed reliable until the very end was the venerable 727, both versions, the -100 and the -200.

It was before my time, but the very senior flight attendants I’ve flown with, many long since retired or have passed away now, told me that the 707 NEVER broke down, that plane was built like a tank, to quote Joe Patroni from “Airport.”

The L-1011 was ALWAYS a maintenance pig. Almost all of the issues were engine related. In the early days, it was compressor stalls from the #2 engine. When that issue was solved, another one would plague the airplane for a couple of years.

When I was a ramper for Delta in the mid 1990's, I rode on at least 90+ L-1011's. The original Delta birds seemed to be the least delay plagued. We received a batch of used TriStars from Eastern (N780DL-790DL [N784DA]) and these seemed to be absolute pigs. I spent most of my time on the ramp working the D-gates, and every day, just before noon, DL 1579 would depart for LAX, continuing to HNL. We were almost ALWAYS delayed pushing back for one reason or another, and once pushed, we didn't hit the break room until after it was airborne because of the likelihood of a "gate return". Even if it managed to get airborne, there was a 1 in 10 chance it would come back.

The L-1011 had some unique characteristics from an operational standpoint: When starting engines on a cold morning, the amount of white smoke coming from the engines would be concerning to those not in the know. It would sometimes cause panic to those onboard, or in the terminal. Another thing about an L-1011 startup is that you could hear it from almost anywhere on the ramp! Started out as a VERY low bass-y rumble and would build higher and higher pitch until gone. Always sounded cool from anywhere BUT the cab of the push tug as you seemed to be right in the sweet spot for the frequency range and it usually resulted in a throbbing headache....WITH hearing protection!

Riding on the TriTanic was a treat, especially in first class/ahead of the wing as the buzz saw sound of the RB211 at max power was one of the best sounds in aviation (the 757 with RR sounds similar, but not as loud). The best seat on the L-1011 with Delta (for me) was 2A; first class, left bulkhead window. The original Delta birds all had blue leather F/C and a weird mix of green, yellow, and orange coach seats while the ex Eastern airplanes had a funky white or brown cloth, with orange circles on them. The mix of -500's that we got from UA and AC were Blue leather F/C and blue,red, and gray coach.

I was lucky enough to fly on the last L-1011 flight Delta operated: 9930 ATL-VCV, 8-1-01. N728DA "The Delta Belle". It was a Pt.91 operated part flight filled with employees who bid on their seats. We taxied out under water cannon salute(an hour late of course!) took off, and came around for a low-level, high-speed flyby followed by a sharp pull up to the left. Once airborne, we all visited the cockpit, took an elevator ride down to the lower galley, and drank copious amounts of Champagne! We signed our names on bin doors and tray tables, mingled with fellow employees, and had a great time.

Once nearing Victorville, we descended to 14,500' and spent about 30 minutes doing S-turns above the Grand Canyon (foreshadowing my first job as a pilot flying tourists over the said canyon), then it was off to VCV for another low pass, another water cannon salute, and a huge party in the hangar. Many of us took everything we could get our hands on, including tray tables, window shades, overhead bin doors, etc...n I even made off with Captain Bill Arnold's hat!

It was a great airplane and I miss her dearly!!

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DC-10_Tony 07-15-2019 03:08 PM

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doug seeley 07-15-2019 03:55 PM

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Thanks, Dylan. That about covers it. I tried to get a ride on that flight last flight to Victorville, but in that I’m not a Delta employee, I obviously never stood a chance. I think it was great that it was reserved for employees, and as I understand it, a lottery determined who got on. And I can’t imagine the Tristar in any other livery than the Widget - the Widget never looked better. Doug

dylan 07-15-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by doug seeley (Post 2708736)
Thanks, Dylan. That about covers it. I tried to get a ride on that flight last flight to Victorville, but in that Iím not a Delta employee, I obviously never stood a chance. I think it was great that it was reserved for employees, and as I understand it, a lottery determined who got on. And I canít imagine the Tristar in any other livery than the Widget - the Widget never looked better. Doug

Russ (Crownvic) was on the last revenue flight the day before; 7-31-01, MCO-ATL. It was also celebrated and there was a party, but it was sold out os soon as it was announced.

Every department was allocated "X" amount of seats, depending on how large that department was within the company. My bid of $25.00 got me seat 25B, and the poor gal who won 25A, misconnected when her red-eye flight from SFO cancelled, leaving me with 25A and B to myself.

car15 07-16-2019 07:40 AM

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After five years working the wide body "C" check line at Eastern in the 80's as a mechanic. Working on L-1011s, DC-10s and A-300s the L-1011 nickname was L-10ALemon!

mt8667 07-16-2019 08:45 AM

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What a great and interesting thread on such a beautiful aircraft! Like the F-14 Tomcat, it seems things most beautiful are the highest maintenance. And no, I'm not going to go there.

gospodin 07-17-2019 07:53 PM

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I was fortunate to fly on one of Delta's newest L-1011s back in '74, and it still had the new plane smell...no overworked toilet odeur on that baby. One of the sweetest rides I ever had, but then I was a young man on his first airliner ride, so...

UK_Dispatcher 07-19-2019 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitty Hawk 1903 (Post 2707900)
Excellent post. That poor airplane. It would be nice if some billionaire could have her restored and preserved. Having flown on all variants Air Canada had, she was a lovely machine. I miss them. :sad:

It was purchased by a very wealthy Sheikh, but unfortunately it has just been dumped outside the museum and left to rot for several years. Clearly there was no proper plan in place for it. Such a shame, considering the effort that went into getting it there from where it landed!


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