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HTF200 06-23-2019 04:14 PM

Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csTkMwBE45g

DC-10_Tony 06-23-2019 04:56 PM

The minute I saw the word "drone" I knew it was fake.

HTF200 06-24-2019 03:42 AM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
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Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704054)
The minute I saw the word "drone" I knew it was fake.

How do you know its fake ?

Santosso 06-24-2019 04:09 AM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
Definitely graphics ! Not real ! ! Good though
https://dwnld.icu/assets/77/AA.jpg

Skosh 06-24-2019 04:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704054)
The minute I saw the word "drone" I knew it was fake.

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Originally Posted by HTF200 (Post 2704106)
How do you know its fake ?

There's no fooling DC-10_Tony! He's got his tin foil hat planted firmly on top of that Damaged Cranium of his! LOL

My initial reaction to the video was that I thought it looked fake. After watching a couple more times, I'm not so sure. I think it's real.

Here's a good breakdown of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVbbvnGP4vQ

Skosh 06-24-2019 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Santosso (Post 2704108)
Definitely graphics ! Not real ! ! Good though
https://dwnld.icu/assets/77/AA.jpg

You just signed up to the forum, and this is your first post. Folks, I think we found the drone pilot! Scouring the internet trying to tell everyone it's fake to cover his ***! LOL

MSR777 06-24-2019 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Santosso (Post 2704108)
Definitely graphics ! Not real ! ! Good though
https://dwnld.icu/assets/77/AA.jpg

Firstly, welcome to the forum. I’m tending towards fake on this one. The ‘lighting’ on the aircraft when it’s at the closest point to said drone looks a bit off to me. More than ready to be proven wrong on this though, I really don’t mind :D

Neil.

HTF200 06-24-2019 06:43 AM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
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Originally Posted by Skosh (Post 2704114)
There's no fooling DC-10_Tony! He's got his tin foil hat planted firmly on top of that Damaged Cranium of his! LOL

My initial reaction to the video was that I thought it looked fake. After watching a couple more times, I'm not so sure. I think it's real.

Here's a good breakdown of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVbbvnGP4vQ

Yes
i used to live right below where this was filmed it's called Pointe D'Esny.
There are vehicles moving around and even boats in the lagoon.
If it's a fake the dude went through a lot of hassles...

Skosh 06-24-2019 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HTF200 (Post 2704144)
Yes
i used to live right below where this was filmed it's called Pointe D'Esny.
There are vehicles moving around and even boats in the lagoon.
If it's a fake the dude went through a lot of hassles...

Looks like a beautiful island!

Adrian 06-24-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HTF200 (Post 2704144)
Yes
i used to live right below where this was filmed it's called Pointe D'Esny.
There are vehicles moving around and even boats in the lagoon.
If it's a fake the dude went through a lot of hassles...

If you look closely there are two vehicles going down the road rather jerkily and at the same speed. It looks fake to me. If it was real, this could have resulted in a major disaster.

Surinam Air 747 06-24-2019 10:38 AM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
I'm no drone expert at all but this video somehow looks very real to me! :eek:

https://youtu.be/S8EbzRArsig

DC-10_Tony 06-24-2019 06:24 PM

First of all, the minute some footage is uploaded to the Internet with the title "real or fake" it's fake. Why would that even be a question if the video was real to begin with?

Second, you will notice the same cars moving about on the road below throughout the entire video.

Third, the whole sky is overcast, but somehow the A380 glistens in the sun causing a sun glare right as it passes the "drone."

Fourth, the camera work on said drone is too precise.

Fifth, the aircraft is approaching way too fast upon liftoff, but then suddenly slows down time and again. The CGI artist is having a hard time judging speed vs distance.

Sixth, as I've said before please don't repost anything Skoosh says. I've blocked his punk *** because I don't want to read his ****. I'm living rent free in his warped mind, and it's disturbing. Sort of like he has a fetish for me. Sorry, but I don't swing both ways, if you catch my drift.

It's fake. Fakey-wakey, eggs and bakey. Live with it and move on. ffs

Skosh 06-24-2019 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704230)
First of all, the minute some footage is uploaded to the Internet with the title "real or fake" it's fake. Why would that even be a question if the video was real to begin with?

This isn't the original upload. The original upload wasn't asking if it was "real or fake."

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Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704230)
Second, you will notice the same cars moving about on the road below throughout the entire video.

Look closer. While most of the cars do appear white, some are different sizes, and I see at least two which are darker.

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Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704230)
Third, the whole sky is overcast, but somehow the A380 glistens in the sun causing a sun glare right as it passes the "drone."

It looks like a thin enough layer of overcast to still allow for bright sunlight to penetrate. The ambient light is bright enough to be causing rather distinct shadows under both aircraft on the ground.

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Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704230)
Fourth, the camera work on said drone is too precise.

Hardly. The panning is rough and the plane is often not in the center of the shot.

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Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704230)
Fifth, the aircraft is approaching way too fast upon liftoff, but then suddenly slows down time and again. The CGI artist is having a hard time judging speed vs distance.

I'm not seeing where the plane "suddenly slows down time and again." I also disagree that the plane is approaching too fast upon liftoff.

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Originally Posted by DC-10_Tony (Post 2704230)
It's fake. Fakey-wakey, eggs and bakey. Live with it and move on. ffs

I'm not sure how you can be so dogmatic and sure of yourself. The reasons you have laid out for it being fake are either wrong or very weak arguments which don't allow for conclusive statements.

Adour 06-24-2019 08:05 PM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
Fake. I like being able to distinguish reality from fantasy so I'm not going to present a case. I don't want to be of any assistance to the jokers that produce this kind of sh1te.

Thatdudeinblue 06-24-2019 10:03 PM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
please watch this then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8EbzRArsig

crownvic 06-24-2019 10:36 PM

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what I find sad it the video proof that Skosh posted first, has been reposted twice..How does that happen?????

Skosh 06-25-2019 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crownvic (Post 2704256)
what I find sad it the video proof that Skosh posted first, has been reposted twice..How does that happen?????

What are your thoughts, CV? Real or fake?

crownvic 06-25-2019 05:41 AM

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This video has been around for a while..I'm going with real..

Adour 06-25-2019 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Thatdudeinblue (Post 2704254)

Already did that. He's probably a great drone guy, but he's not a very good analyst.

Skosh 06-25-2019 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Adour (Post 2704300)
Already did that. He's probably a great drone guy, but he's not a very good analyst.

Let's hear your expert analysis!

Adour 06-26-2019 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Skosh (Post 2704302)
Let's hear your expert analysis!

Na, I already said I wouldn't do that, and why. But thanks for the invitation.

Skosh 06-26-2019 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Adour (Post 2704466)
Na, I already said I wouldn't do that, and why. But thanks for the invitation.

Great, we've got another Tin Foil Hat Club member! LOL

Let me see if I can follow your line of reasoning...

You "don't want to be of any assistance to the jokers that produce this kind of sh1te." So that implies you're upset that someone would fake this. And yet you believe it was faked. So would you rather someone really have done this with a drone? Surely that's even worse than faking it...

Adour 06-26-2019 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skosh (Post 2704470)
Great, we've got another Tin Foil Hat Club member! LOL

Let me see if I can follow your line of reasoning...

You "don't want to be of any assistance to the jokers that produce this kind of sh1te." So that implies you're upset that someone would fake this. And yet you believe it was faked. So would you rather someone really have done this with a drone? Surely that's even worse than faking it...

No, you're not following my line of reasoning at all. Where on Earth did you get the impression that I wish someone had done this for real? I just don't like fake anything unless it's clearly labled as such. In my opinion, this is obviously fake for several reasons. But I refuse to help guys to make better unattributed fakes. As for hats, I wear lots, none made of foil. Try to be civil, it shouldn't hurt too much.

Skosh 06-26-2019 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Adour (Post 2704472)
No, you're not following my line of reasoning at all. Where on Earth did you get the impression that I wish someone had done this for real? I just don't like fake anything unless it's clearly labled as such. In my opinion, this is obviously fake for several reasons. But I refuse to help guys to make better unattributed fakes. As for hats, I wear lots, none made of foil. Try to be civil, it shouldn't hurt too much.

Why are you so upset about a fake video? If this is purely computer generated, no one was harmed or put at risk.

Suggesting that you could point out the "obvious" reasons its fake, and yet reasons that the video makers themselves apparently wouldn't know about (because if they do, then you pointing them out wouldn't be helping them) implies that you could make an even better fake than this video. I highly doubt that.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lots of intelligent folks with expertise in the relevant areas think the video is real. But to you, it's "obviously fake for several reasons." So please, enlighten us.

Franzlhuber 06-26-2019 07:11 AM

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I'd say the video footage from the drone is real, but the aircraft is definitely digitally rendered.
It's climbing way too smoth, it's supposed to shake a little at least and the wing tips are supposed to flutter. I also miss signs of wing vortex.

Skosh 06-26-2019 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Franzlhuber (Post 2704508)
I'd say the video footage from the drone is real, but the aircraft is definitely digitally rendered.
It's climbing way too smoth, it's supposed to shake a little at least and the wing tips are supposed to flutter. I also miss signs of wing vortex.

Jesus. It DOES roll/porpoise/shake/whatever.

This link has been posted at least twice now in this thread. Start watching at 5:17 for a flight dynamics breakdown: https://youtu.be/jVbbvnGP4vQ?t=317

Wingtip vortices are not always necessarily visible. The drone is above the altitude of the plane as it passes, so it's not affected by the A380's wake turbulence.

Franzlhuber 06-26-2019 08:13 AM

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It's not shaking, it's rolling. Rolling is a very easy command in creating a CGI animation, just move the object around an axis.
Making the plane shake or even making the wing tips flutter in CGI is a total different thing, you'v got to alter the structure of the wing and make it deformable. Hell of a work. That's why the wings absolutely show no sign of plasticity. Fake to me.

Skosh 06-26-2019 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Franzlhuber (Post 2704516)
It's not shaking, it's rolling. Rolling is a very easy command in creating a CGI animation, just move the object around an axis.
Making the plane shake or even making the wing tips flutter in CGI is a total different thing, you'v got to alter the structure of the wing and make it deformable. Hell of a work. That's why the wings absolutely show no sign of plasticity. Fake to me.

I beg to differ. Perhaps my eyes are better than yours, but between 5:25 and 5:40, I can detect a slight amount of flutter. Nevertheless, a lack of detectable flutter wouldn't necessitate a verdict that the video is fake. Given the distance and subsequent low resolution of the video, slight flutter might be imperceptible. With smooth air, flutter could be nonexistent.

To me, this video is a good example of Occam's razor. What's the more likely explanation: that some yahoo with a drone (of which there are millions) actually captured this video, or that someone went through the very arduous process of faking it, and for what reward? None. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't tons of other similar drone videos of airliners out there on the internet. It's not like it would be particularly hard to do. Careless as the people are who film them, they no doubt exist. Just consider how many incidents there are every year of people on the ground shining laser pointers at airliners. Thousands! Heck, ever heard of "Lawnchair Larry"? Drones flying close to airliners is simply the modern day equivalent.

It's really amazing that so many people are so quick to wave the "BS" flag at what is so easily and likely real. Once again, Tin Foil Hatters. :rolleyes:

Your logic fails. "Very easy" to make the plane appear to roll, pitch, have realistic shadows beneath it on the ground, and sunshine gleaming off the fuselage.... and yet the video editors couldn't manage to make the wings appear to slightly flex??? It's a moot point, because if you look closely, yeah, the wings actually do appear to flex ever so slightly, just as one would expect.

Franzlhuber 06-26-2019 08:42 AM

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Well, there are plenty of spectacular animations out there, which are meant to draw attention and serve as free advertisment for the animator.

One might argue, that the video is missing a watermark or reference to an animator, but that might have been removed by cropping the video or cutting the start/end out. Happens often, when the uploading person wants to steal the views (and the money) from the orgininal author.

Adour 06-26-2019 12:45 PM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
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Originally Posted by Skosh (Post 2704476)
Why are you so upset about a fake video? If this is purely computer generated, no one was harmed or put at risk.

Suggesting that you could point out the "obvious" reasons its fake, and yet reasons that the video makers themselves apparently wouldn't know about (because if they do, then you pointing them out wouldn't be helping them) implies that you could make an even better fake than this video. I highly doubt that.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lots of intelligent folks with expertise in the relevant areas think the video is real. But to you, it's "obviously fake for several reasons." So please, enlighten us.

I'm not "so upset", I simply don't like unattributed fakes, it's the same as lying, and I don't like liars either. Like you, I highly doubt I could make a better video, which is why I didn't say it. You seem to run off in all sorts of directions. For some reason you also seem rather emotionally invested in this being real. I've given my opinion. What is it based on? Forty years of aeronautical engineering and aviating. The video and amateur analysis don't convince me, but I could be wrong. I've certainly seen some strange and surprising things in my time. It's my opinion, not a religious pronouncement.

I'll leave you to it and your bizarre, meandering logical fallacies.

IflyHA 06-26-2019 01:03 PM

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I will throw my two cents and say that it is more likely real than not. These drones have incredible stability installed with a gyro for quick and jerky movements flying, but flowing visuals while filming video. I have a drone myself and I know from experience that you can modify the drone to go up to about 1500 feet. This guy is an absolute idiot for taking a drone so close to an airplane, but I know this is something I could do if I wanted to. It is absolutely reckless but possible. I say real.

Surinam Air 747 06-26-2019 01:31 PM

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If you search you will find that these type of drone videos are quite common on you tube.. why would anyone fake these videos when in reality the drones they fly seem quite capable of performing these acts.. i have found two more drone videos, one of them has the drone flying above the passing airliner but let me guess, it's also absolutely 'fake' right..

https://youtu.be/agqvIG50Ocg

https://youtu.be/OlQsYPGtjTE

https://youtu.be/jzXmxjGbeIk

Adour 06-26-2019 01:44 PM

Re: Real or fake ? A380 t/off in Mauritius
 
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Originally Posted by Surinam Air 747 (Post 2704572)
why would anyone fake these videos when in reality the drones they fly seem quite capable of performing these acts..

Why do people make up fake stories on the internet (sorry "urban legends")? Why do people fake photographs? Questions you'd have to ask those jerks, I can't answer for them.

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Originally Posted by Surinam Air 747 (Post 2704572)
i have found two more drone videos, one of them has the drone flying above the passing airliner but let me guess, it's also absolutely 'fake' right..

Don't guess, wait for a reply. Those look absolutely real. What's wrong with you people? Why so much aggression? I know it's the internet but is manners really so difficult?

gospodin 06-27-2019 09:03 AM

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I dunno. A lot of drone videos are poorly translated to You Tube, so the herky-jerky cars and aircraft movement can be attributed to crappy playback. I noticed the engine heat distortion behind the airliner, looked pretty real to me. A very good fake if that's what it is, but my money is on a real event, and maybe somebody going to jail.


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