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Old 09-30-2017, 06:58 PM   #1
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Glad to hear the AF A380 landed safely and all passengers/crew are A-OK! T7

Air France plane makes emergency landing in Goose Bay after engine blowout over Atlantic

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/air-france...165430389.html
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:24 PM   #2
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That's not good. Even more obvious damage than when Qantas had an A380 engine failure a few years ago. I don't believe I have ever seen anything like that before. Everyone is OK thank goodness. Scared obviously.
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That's not good. Even more obvious damage than when Qantas had an A380 engine failure a few years ago. I don't believe I have ever seen anything like that before. Everyone is OK thank goodness. Scared obviously.
Totally agree. One passenger told the media he thought it was a 'bird strike'. Hmmm. How many birdies fly at 30,000+ feet?? I have attached the photo of the disabled engine. That engine was definitely not damaged by a bird! T7

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Ouch !
At least we know the A380 can fly on 3 engines.
But still...
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:01 AM   #5
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I was on that flight on 23 June 2016! Sat window forward of the wing, and would have had a perfect view of that scary sight.

Anybody know the aircraft reg. number? Didn't see it in the article..
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I was on that flight on 23 June 2016! Sat window forward of the wing, and would have had a perfect view of that scary sight.

Anybody know the aircraft reg. number? Didn't see it in the article..
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A few things to "take on board" here.

The plane F-HPJE is Airbus MSN 052 (F-WWAN) which first flew back in May 2010 making it around 7.3 years old.

The Engines are GP7270 made by Engine Alliance which are made by GE and Pratt & Whitney Engine Alliance group.

Within the GE-P&W Engine Alliance, Pratt & Whitney is responsible for the fan, low-pressure compressor, low-pressure turbine, and accessory gearbox modules, and GE Aircraft Engines is responsible for the engine core (high-pressure compressor, combustor, and high-pressure turbine) and full authority digital electronic control system.

No doubt more to come...
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With the significant cabin vibration reported,I am surprised the engine didn't break away entirely? I believe they are designed to do that before the wing integrity is compromised. I saw one couple interviewed,and they said the vibration was very bad. I love flying,but this sure would have scared me. Glad she got on the ground safely. Now what does Air France do? Fly an engine to Goose Bay to replace #4? Do they need to x-ray the pylon,wing,and fuselage to see if any not visible cracks occurred because of the vibration? Ferry it back to Paris will happen at some point I would think.
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Update on the passengers and crew: ( Strange that the passengers/crew were not allowed to leave their damaged plane while the other 2 AF planes were sent to pick them up)


https://ca.yahoo.com/news/wheels-air...154052975.html

Wheels up: Air France passengers depart Goose Bay on two flights after hours on tarmac

Two flights took nearly 500 Air France passengers stranded in Goose Bay on Saturday on their way to Los Angeles early Sunday morning, nearly a full day after they boarded the plane in Paris.

Air France sent a Boeing 777-300 and a leased Boeing 737 to the Goose Bay airport to transport the passengers on flight AF066, which landed in Labrador on Saturday afternoon after one of the Airbus A380's four engines blew out over the Atlantic Ocean.

Passengers on board reported hearing a loud noise following a drop in altitude several hours into their flight, from Paris to Los Angeles, but said the crew kept people calm as the emergency landing in Goose Bay was announced.

The 497 passengers weren't allowed off the plane in Goose Bay until the replacement planes arrived. One passenger reported others getting sick after being stuck on the plane so long.

One replacement flight landed in Los Angeles early Sunday morning, with the other sent to Atlanta, where passengers were still waiting to be taken the rest of the way.

Air France said an investigation is underway "to shed light on this serious incident," involving representatives from Air France, Airbus and the French Aviation Accident Investigation Bureau.
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That is crappy making them all stay on the plane. Immigration was the reason I am sure. If they left the plane (bonded),they would need to clear Canada Customs. Then US Customs in LA. I can't say that with certainty,but likely the reason.
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Now, I believe you know everything. What plane was I flying on?

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Old 10-07-2017, 05:01 PM   #12
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They've found the missing engine fan embedded in a glacier in Greenland today.
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They've found the missing engine fan embedded in a glacier in Greenland today.
Thank you Big Al, and we appreciate the update relating to this AF A380 engine problem.

Here is a link:

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/debris-rec...172511475.html

French officials say observations of the aircraft suggest the engine's fan detached during the flight.

I wonder how long it took these officials to come to that conclusion?


So far the A380 has been fortunate with Qantas and now Air France; in that only 1 engine blew up during each incident. I can't imagine what would happen if 2 or 3 were to blow up at the same time? I am assuming that the A380 can safely fly on 1 or 2 engines. I meant 'glide' and not fly.
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So far the A380 has been fortunate with Qantas and now Air France; in that only 1 engine blew up during each incident. I can't imagine what would happen if 2 or 3 were to blow up at the same time? I am assuming that the A380 can safely fly on 1 or 2 engines. I meant 'glide' and not fly.
How about all 4 engines blow up at the same time ?
It would probably glide all the way to L.A.
And it can land in water too...
So no need to worry.
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According to this aviation expert. Looks like the A380 can fly on 1 single engine and is also capable of performing a controlled water landing in case of all 4 engines going kaput over the water. However, I don't think you can compare a scenario of all 4 engines of an A380 being blown up to that of the BA B747 flight 9 that had all 4 of it's engines disabled for a period of time. Apples vs Oranges. T7

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A380 One Engine Flight

A recent engine blowout on an Air France Airbus A380 left it with only three of four engines. The plane made it safely to land. But imagine if three engines blew out. Would the plane have crashed? As it turns out, the aircraft can still fly with only one engine.

Air France Flight 66 was traveling from Paris to Los Angeles last Saturday when one of the engines “exploded”. The flight diverted to Goose Bay, Canada where all 520 passengers and crew members were safely evacuated. The cause of the engine failure is still being investigated.

I’d probably be reporting a similar story even if three engines had blown out…perhaps even all four.

There are many anecdotes I can point to, but I’ll mention British Airways Flight 9. The 747 flight was traveling from London to Auckland via Mumbai, Chennai, Kuala Lumpur, Perth and Melbourne in 1982. Between Kuala Lumpur and Perth the plane entered an area near Jakarta, Indonesia with thick volcanic smoke from Mount Galunggung.

All four engines failed. The crew prepared for water landing, as the plane glided downward at a rate of 15km for every 1km it dropped. But the flight engineer was able to coax back on one of the four engines. That was enough to prevent the crash landing and start the plane on a gradual ascent to Jakarta. The other three engines soon kicked on as well, but one engine saved the day.

CONCLUSION

My point is simple: flying is incredibly safe. Even with no engines in the middle of an ocean a plane can gently glide down, land on the water, and evacuate every passenger and crew member before the plane sinks.

When we hear horror stories of engines going out, we naturally are filled wtih fear. But while flying is not without risk, airplanes are engineering marvels and are made to withstand intense pressure.

I hope none of us are ever in a situation like Air France 66, but if we…we’re overwhelming likely to be just fine.
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Seems like the 380 is showing its weakest link in its design. This won't help its case in the jumbo wars.

This reminds me of the teething issues that the DC-10 had with engines falling off.
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These are engine issues though, not A380 issues. Any aircraft can have a contained or uncontained engine failure. I'd still sooner lose one engine on a quad than one on a twin.
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I'd still sooner lose one engine on a quad than one on a twin.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I mean, for safety's sake keep the quads. Especially when flying over an ocean.
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Update: Interesting they are only going to fly the Whale with only 3 engines and use the replacement engine only for weight distribution purposes. Wishing the crew a safe journey back to home base.

How Air France Will Rescue Its A380 With a Shattered Engine

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Big Al: "I'd still sooner lose one engine on a quad than one on a twin."
See attached image. I was a passenger on this Pan Am A310 out of Hamburg. At rotation there was a 'thump', and I looked out my portside window ahead of the wing to see a crumpled pylon over the engine nacelle. We circled Hamburg and landed back over the burning engine on the runway. Took a day for Pan Am to get a 707 to Hamburg to continue our flight. Our plane had sufficient speed to lift off when the engine blew - it could have ended differently... Keep 'em flying, Doug
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Big Al: "I'd still sooner lose one engine on a quad than one on a twin."
See attached image. I was a passenger on this Pan Am A310 out of Hamburg. At rotation there was a 'thump', and I looked out my portside window ahead of the wing to see a crumpled pylon over the engine nacelle. We circled Hamburg and landed back over the burning engine on the runway. Took a day for Pan Am to get a 707 to Hamburg to continue our flight. Our plane had sufficient speed to lift off when the engine blew - it could have ended differently... Keep 'em flying, Doug
Better check your equipment types there, Doug. Last PanAm 707 flight was in 1983 while PanAm's first A310 wasn't delivered until 5-25-1985.
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I was on the plane, and it was a PanAm A310 (note the date of the TELEX) - the substitute plane could have been something else. The rest is history, Doug
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These are engine issues though, not A380 issues. Any aircraft can have a contained or uncontained engine failure. I'd still sooner lose one engine on a quad than one on a twin.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you. I mean, for safety's sake keep the quads. Especially when flying over an ocean.
I agree with you gentleman about having no qualms on a 4 holer losing 1 engine. Thus, the A380 or B747-8 would be my preference for a long haul over the oceans. Flown on both and give them high marks.

Mind you I have a 14 hour flight coming up on the Korean Air B787-9 and will sleep with 1 eye open. Just kidding with the 1 eye open comment.

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I was on the plane, and it was a PanAm A310 (note the date of the TELEX) - the substitute plane could have been something else. The rest is history, Doug
Hi Doug, my German is a little bit rusty That's a cool telex from the eighties. I couldn't imagine what you and the other passengers were going through after your bird was down to only 1 engine; and not knowing if you were going to lose the other as well. Good job by your flight crew to return safely to the airport.

Yep, the date of your posted telex indicates 1986 which definitely coincides with the A310 flying period. Never had the pleasure of flying on the A310; I have no immediate or future plans on flying on the charter airline Air Transat which operates the A310.

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