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Old 05-25-2017, 12:18 PM   #1
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Each year,on this date,I take a moment to remember the victims of American 191. The DC-10 that crashed on take off from Chicago O'Hare. May they rest in peace.
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Old 05-25-2017, 12:26 PM   #2
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A very sad day. That event could have been avoided with proper maintenance. The DC -10s were iconic in AA fleet.
May all the victims rest in peace.
Thank you for taking the time to remind us this date. Can't believe it happened 38 years ago.
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I also remember this American DC-10 O'Hare crash and the United DC-10 flight 232 Sioux City crash as well...

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Old 05-26-2017, 05:35 PM   #4
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I was 10 years old and in the air that day flying home from Florida on the TPA-ORD leg of a Delta 727-200 Flight 650 MCO-TPA-ORD scheduled to land just after the accident occured. As we approached Chicago we started holding. It was only my second airline flight, but as an aspiring pilot I knew what was going on, but just not why. I was in a window seat on the right and every time we started back to the west in the holding pattern I could see the towering column of black smoke in the general direction of ORD to the north as it was a really clear sunny day with unlimited visibility. I thought to myself that it must have something to do with the delay, but again, I had no clue as to the origin of the smoke. Neither pilot ever did come on the PA to say anything as I suspect it was pretty somber on the flight deck and telling passengers the hold is due to a crash is not a good idea. I think we held for 30 minutes, maybe more, I'm not too sure. What is still vivid is the image of that column of black smoke on the horizon to the north every time we circled back to the west. It wasn't until we were in the limo on the way home that the driver informed us of what happened. Eerie to say the least.

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That is the first time,I have heard from someone who was on descent into O'Hare just after the accident. Sad subject matter,but interesting to read. This photo is apparently N110AA making it's way to 32R just before the accident. The gentleman who took the very well known photo of the aircraft in trouble,also took this. It brought a tear to my eye the 1st time I saw it. Obviously nobody knew what was about to happen. I don't mean to be a ghoul,but it was a significant event,that brought changes to improve safety. For example,the stick shaker(imminent stall)was only required on one side. In this case,the Captains side. Inop due to engine loss. Had it been on 1st officer Dilliards side. It would have triggered,and he would have lowered the nose for airspeed. Very likely would not have happened. Stick shaker mandatory both sides after this.
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:06 PM   #6
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We studied this one extensively in my Human Factors class. This is one of those watershed events that changed commercial aviation. The engine change with the pylon on it was actually legal per the AAs MX procedures at the time, the problem arose when the forklift they were using bled down during shift change stressing the pylon and inducing microscopic cracks. However, the lynchpin of the disaster was the uncommanded retraction of the LE slats on the port wing which started the unrecoverable roll. When the pylon broke free, the #1 hydraulic system immediately lost all fluid(the reservoir was on the runway) but more importantly the fluid in the slat actuators and lines also bled out, which caused retraction from the slipstream. Very simply, a hydraulic fuse or a ball check valve outside of the pylon would have saved the airplane. Strangely the FAA didn't order mandatory hydraulic fuses until after the Sioux City crash of United 232.

Also worth noting is the number 191, which was the flight number of the Delta L-1011 crash at DFW(another watershed event) and also the Comair/Delta Connection CRJ crash in Lexington, as well as a few other incidents. Any airlines out there still chancing having a flight operate under this number?
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:01 AM   #7
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Yeah, it was definitely surreal. Not so much for a 10 year old to grasp at the time, but now very much still vivid.

Even for a novice holding on a crystal clear day seemed odd even at ORD although it was Friday afternoon which were always busy with the European internationals getting ready to depart. I remember pointing out the smoke to my dad sitting on the aisle as the possible reason for the hold. I'm sure I had a camera with me and if I did it never occurred to take a photo as I honestly thought that maybe it was a fire from one of the refineries in Joliet or Lockport. Something we'll just catch on the news later.

I still have the newspaper articles from the Tribune. My neighbor across the street I think worked for the Du Page Co sheriff and was on scene at the crash site. He was captured in one of the images of the aftermath. He was also never the same.

As a side note something similar happened ten years later to a Piedmont 737. One of its engines separated on takeoff at ORD, but with the design of the nacelle it just fell harmlessly straight to the ground instead of up and over the wing.

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I Googled Flight 191,I was startled to find this info. I knew about the Delta at DFW.

Flight Number 191 may refer to one of several flights which resulted in tragedy or near tragedy (as a result, the number has been withdrawn from use by several airlines):

X-15 Flight 191 (1967), or X-15 Flight 3-65-97, experimental test plane, broke apart in flight, killing its test pilot
Prinair Flight 191 (1972), crashed at Mercedita Airport in Ponce, Puerto Rico, killing five people
American Airlines Flight 191 (1979), crashed shortly after takeoff from Chicago O'Hare Airport, killing 273
Delta Air Lines Flight 191 (1985), crashed while on final approach to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, killing 137
JetBlue Airways Flight 191 (2012), a flight from New York John F. Kennedy airport to Las Vegas, Nev. diverted to Amarillo, Tex. after the captain had an alleged panic attack, was locked out of the flight deck by the First Officer, and was restrained by passengers

My apologies. This info has been covered.
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I Googled Flight 191, I was startled to find this info. I knew about the Delta at DFW.

Flight Number 191 may refer to one of several flights which resulted in tragedy or near tragedy (as a result, the number has been withdrawn from use by several airlines):
Yes, isn't it weird how many disasters and events surrounding that flight number? Eerie in a way.

I have a DVD of the TV movie "Fire and Rain" which is based on the actual events of the DL disaster. Quite a good movie.
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