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Old 05-24-2017, 11:17 AM   #1
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Arrow Singapore Airlines to retire four A380s by 2018!

I hope nobody post this yet...
Just saw this and thought I'd share with you right away.

Can't believe SQ is already retiring some of their A380s... Only 9 years.
I'm also wondering who's going to take over these 4-5 A380s.

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23MAY2017

Singapore Airlines (SQ, Singapore Changi) will retire four of its A380-800s by March of next year, ahead of the expected delivery of three new aircraft of the same type. The fleet change plans were highlighted in its annual report which was released last week.

Other aircraft to be removed from the fleet are two A330-300s, two B777-200s and one B777-200(ER). Their removal will make way for the addition of ten A350-900s as well as the afore-mentioned A380-800s.

Presumably, Singapore will be looking to phase out the elder of its A380s. According to ch-aviation fleet data, the oldest of the aircraft in Singapore's fleet are 9V-SKA (msn 3), 9V-SKB (msn 5), 9V-SKC (msn 6), 9V-SKD (msn 8) and 9V-SKE (msn 10) all delivered during 2006 and 2008 and leased from DS Aviation/Doric Asset Finance.

The carrier anticipates that the changes in its fleet will lead to a marginal capacity increase of 0.4%.


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Old 05-24-2017, 11:51 AM   #2
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Wow! How time flies! Feels like yesterday that SIA was the first airline to put the super-whale into service. I heard reports that some private group may purchase these A380s to sell as Private Jets for the super wealthy!
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Wow! How time flies! Feels like yesterday that SIA was the first airline to put the super-whale into service. I heard reports that some private group may purchase these A380s to sell as Private Jets for the super wealthy!
I know! Me too! I remember watching SQ is so proud to take 1st A380
into service, new interior and etc on documentary... Time really does flies.

Also SQ is really... retiring a bit too fast...
I'm sure somebody would re-use these whales!
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Interesting. I knew SQ would give back the older A380s as they were not as efficient as newer models, but I though it would be a one-for-one trade.
I've never been an A380 fan, but I think this may be another nail in it's coffin.
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I do recall some Saudi prince had plans to purchase the 1st private A380 a few years back. But he pulled out of the deal with Airbus. Curious how he was going to customize that A380?
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...but I think this may be another nail in it's coffin.
It's not over just quite yet. Some Airlines are still placing orders for the A380. Tho I suspect not anywhere as many as Airbus had hoped for. Here is the link to the Airbus A380 production list, including cancellations.

http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html
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I don't think that cancellation list is correct. Qantas announced last year that they will not take their last 8 A380s on order.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...eight-on-order
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Having flown on 9V-SKA, the interior really is dated now, especially compared to the SIA 777-300s. The seats and entertainment in economy are very poor in comparison on the A380
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Passengers (I can't bring myself to get on board with "customers" as management wish) seem to like it. However, the word in the airlines has been negative everywhere except at EK. Don't think the "Down's Syndrome Whale" is ever going to take over from the 747. And how on Earth did they fail to give it sufficient baggage capacity?
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Qantas as yet haven't officially cancelled the order. The airline is seeking a plane which can fly 17,000+kms without needing a re-fuel, so they can go Sydney-London without stopping.

The A380 max range is 15,200kms with max payload and fuel up to max takeoff weight.

The B 787-9 max range is 15,750km with max payload and fuel up to max takeoff weight.

The bigger question is what will the A350 max range be? Why, because I suspect Qantas will trade off the final purchase of the A380s by transfering the order to the A350s if they have the longer range capabilities and qantas will not lose out on the deal.
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The linked A380 list is wrong, the real list is commercially sensitive and unsurprisingly, not public.

The 789 numbers are wrong, it's my current type. Numbers like that look good on Wiki, and perhaps at sales pitches. They mean nothing in the real world.

One question is what will real world 350 performance be - not the BS Airbus sales pitch? I have no axe to grind against Airbus in particular, I flew them for nearly 20 years. But I've learned to be very wary of what manufacturers promise versus what they deliver. That applies to Boeing as well.

From bar chat with 380 pilots I'm retty sure the 380 numbers are [email protected]££$ too.

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I am a fan of the A380 (only have 1 model of the EK A380 in my 1/200 fleet; along with a 1/100 G100 model). A memento model having flown on it a good few years ago. It would be a shame to see this program come to an end; but both Airbus and Boeing are staking their future with the twin engines. The 4 engine jumbo will eventually come to an end; but the B747-8 has some life in the cargo industry; don't know if the A380 would be converted to freighters?

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On the freighter thing, I'm sure it's possible. Airbus has done the work for the 380F. Questions are, what would it cost, and would they last?

If it goes, at least I won't be standing for an hour plus behind anymore 380 crews at immigration. Of course, that's not the 380's fault.

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These early build, overweight Airbus A380 aircraft are coming off 10 year lease and being replaced with new A380 aircraft. Do all fleet renewal projects get described as "nails in coffins" for said aircraft type ? ;-)
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Not at all. However, the production rate cut to one airframe per month out of Toulouse from next year smacks of the beginning of the end.
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I tend to agree.
There will be a very limited after market for these A380's - I imagine long term storage and a potential refit as freighters....then you will see things change up a bit.
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Update: Looks like Airbus is planning to roll out only 8 A380s for the year 2019.

https://www.ft.com/content/30c1f936-...b-87d7572e54fb

Airbus has said it will cut production of its A380 superjumbo to eight planes a year from 2019 as the company revealed earnings in the six months to June had been impacted by engine issues.

The group said last year it would cut the number of A380 deliveries to 12 in 2018, down from 27 in 2015 amid a lacklustre market for widebody aircraft. Airbus delivered six A380 aircraft in the six months to June. Airbus reported adjusted earnings before interest and tax for the first half of 2017 at €1.1bn, down 35 per cent from the same period last year.

The Group said it was still targeting close to 200 A320neo deliveries for 2017 but in-service engine issues had made this target more challenging. Engine supplier Pratt & Whitney has introduced some fixes for this problem, Airbus said, but “these improvements have not come through yet on a reliable basis under normal service conditions”.

Group Revenue for the period came in at €29bn, unchanged on the previous year and above a median analyst estimate compiled by Bloomberg of €22.5bn.Airbus chief executive officer Tom Enders said:

The commercial aircraft environment remains healthy while the robust order backlog continues to support our production ramp-up plans. However, we are facing challenges due to ongoing engine issues but we have a clear road-map in place and have maintained our full-year guidance. Achieving the aircraft delivery target depends on the engine suppliers meeting their commitments.

Airbus’s order intake in the first half totalled €37.2bn, down from €39.1 billion the same period last year, while the order book was valued at €981m at the end of June, compared to €1.06bn at the end of 2016.
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