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Old 06-07-2016, 01:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I hope this isn't true about the Super Whale. I kinda like the A380 after flying on it (original seating layout in Economy; not the proposed 11 across). Not a good sign when the boss over at Emirates is not speaking very positively about the Super Whale. T7

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The 747-8 is similarly languishing. I suspect Airbus might take the 'hint' from the Middle east customer base and do the A350-2000 to go head to head with the new 777X.

Airbus has an answer to the Boeing 777-X, but only if needed
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I hope this isn't true about the Super Whale. I kinda like the A380 after flying on it (original seating layout in Economy; not the proposed 11 across). Not a good sign when the boss over at Emirates is not speaking very positively about the Super Whale. T7

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Saw this coming does this mean that the A380 is a commercial failure
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This should answer a few questions:

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Don't write her off just yet. I read some time back that some of the older, high hours Emirates and Singapore A380s are coming up for disposal, with BA supposedly interested in used examples. Then there's the chance of a new customer, the recent ANA order was a bit of welcome news for AI.

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I can see a 'second coming' for the VLA in a few years time when frequency versus capacity maxes out as airport slots become thin on the ground. At the end of the day the A380 is not at fault, it's the way we like to travel. Funnily enough when you travel to a ferry port, there normally isn't a six strong fleet traversing the sea, giving you maximum flexibility either.
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This should answer a few questions:

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The days of the VLA are over ! There are only a handful of airlines that have any kind of ability to operate a decent-sized fleet of VLAs' efficiently and profitably and then only on a few routes throughout the world.

The next movement in commercial aerospace should focus on designing and manufacturing a 787/A350-sized airliner that can fly long-distances in a shorter period of time; I am talking about a route like New York to Tokyo in four or five hours or Los Angeles to Sydney in five or six hours.

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The A380 realistically has been dead for a few years now with only the larger EK orders supporting it. SQ has a few of it's earlier frames coming off lease soon and I expect those will find homes rather than the EK birds which have much higher cycles.

There may be a new clean sheet VLA sometime down the road, but not until technology develops enough that it could work as a twin engine aircraft. I think in the coming years we'll see the 779 and A351 rack up orders as fuel prices inevitably go back up.
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The days of the VLA are over ! There are only a handful of airlines that have any kind of ability to operate a decent-sized fleet of VLAs' efficiently and profitably and then only on a few routes throughout the world.
Probably right, but this handful of big airlines will be enough for Airbus to keep the production line in Hamburg open for the next xx years...
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I love the Scarebus and the 747-8i too for that matter.

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I love the Scarebus and the 747-8i too for that matter.

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I prefer the 747-8 over the a380 any day.
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The smart move for Airbus would be to shut down the A380 program now, and convert the orders to other aircraft. They are already billions of Euros in the hole and lose more money on each A380 they build. Close the program, cut loses and run. The only thing keeping the program going is egos.
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I hope this isn't true about the Super Whale. I kinda like the A380 after flying on it (original seating layout in Economy; not the proposed 11 across). Not a good sign when the boss over at Emirates is not speaking very positively about the Super Whale. T7

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Doesn't Emirates have a huge order for them? If that is cancelled,Airbus is in trouble with that airplane. IMO.
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I prefer the 747-8 over the a380 any day.
I completely agree. Hard to look at the whalejet/forehead of the skies/skycow, and the legroom was appalling (IFE box IIRC) but at least it was 1/3 full!
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The smart move for Airbus would be to shut down the A380 program now, and convert the orders to other aircraft. They are already billions of Euros in the hole and lose more money on each A380 they build. Close the program, cut loses and run. The only thing keeping the program going is egos.
They won't. Instead of closing the production line, they will probably work on an "improved" A 380 NEO which will cost even more money.
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The smart move for Airbus would be to shut down the A380 program now, and convert the orders to other aircraft. They are already billions of Euros in the hole and lose more money on each A380 they build. Close the program, cut loses and run. The only thing keeping the program going is egos.
I concur with Theodore here. Despite the "potential" for future orders via Emirates and maybe a few here and there from Asian airlines, the likelihood of a flurry of orders on the magnitude of dozens or more is not very likely.

Just as with Boeing's venerable 45+ year old 747 program, there comes a time when no matter how HARD you try, and no matter how GOOD the product may be, there's simply no longer a market for it. And if the writing ISN'T on the wall for BOTH Airbus and Boeing for 4-holers, they must be still relying on a decrepit and antiquated crystal ball, because most sane business-folks would have written off these programs by now.

And NOT because I am a Boeing-fan moreso than Airbus, I actually believe that Boeing has a slightly better opportunity to keep the 747-8 line going. The obvious reason is the freighter market. If air freight picks up (no pun intended) in the near future, then there is a greater chance that some operators MAY opt for the 747-8F instead of the 777-series of freighters.

It's still a dicey proposition, as there are many USED freighters available, or conversional opportunities for used passenger jets in the desert, at least the chance is there that Boeing could still land (again no pun intended) 747-8F orders well into the 2020s.

Otherwise, 4-holers are pretty much a dead proposition for airlines --- except for, as Typo said, executive egos. :roll eyes:

IMHO this so-called "Ecoliner" concept by a random designer is one design that I would love to see Boeing build ...


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Otherwise, 4-holers are pretty much a dead proposition for airlines --- except for, as Typo said, executive egos.
I agree on that.

The problem is, both manufacturers MUST keep a VLA in their program, even it's if for one or two customers per year or even less. The 787 and A 350 are not going to get bigger, the 777 is aging, so are A330 and 340 and there is nothing else "in between".

That Boeing with its 747-8 has a "better" freighter basis than Airbus, that's a fact. The A 380 as a big freighter was killed at the very beginning, and that both UPS and FedEx retired their orders was logical. The bird ist just too big and not flexible enough.

Nevertheless, production will continue, even if it's for losing money. Airbus HAS to keep pace with Boeing in offering a VLA, even if it's an economical desaster. That's how the "executive egos" think - and that's exactly the problem.
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As mentioned,I to would buy the B747-8 for my airline if I had one. Wouldn't even need to think about it.
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As mentioned,I to would buy the B747-8 for my airline if I had one. Wouldn't even need to think about it.
How can you say that without looking at the numbers
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I always wonder what if, Airbus had never made the A380 a reality & it was only a concept airliner that never materialized but instead you only had Boeing's 747-8I. My question is; would all the airlines that operate the A380 today, would they have ordered the 747-8I instead..? Would it been more successful as the sole 4 engine large aircraft..?

Also, what if there was still demand for very large airliner, would Boeing still develop the 747-500X or 747-600X they announced in 1996 at the Farnborough Airshow..?
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, the 777 is aging, so are A330 and 340 and there is nothing else "in between".

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True. That's why we have the new 777-8 and 777-9 gracing our skies very soon. T7

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I always wonder what if, Airbus had never made the A380 a reality & it was only a concept airliner that never materialized but instead you only had Boeing's 747-8I. My question is; would all the airlines that operate the A380 today, would they have ordered the 747-8I instead..? Would it been more successful as the sole 4 engine large aircraft..?

Also, what if there was still demand for very large airliner, would Boeing still develop the 747-500X or 747-600X they announced in 1996 at the Farnborough Airshow..?
I think they both would still be sales losers but an interesting thing to think about.
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Well, that's probably the best obious fact I read here in quite a while. And I'm also pretty sure that Airbus built the A3XX, later redesignated A380 with exactly this idea in mind.

Happily for all the others the flyer world didn't start with Boeing and won't either end with it.
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I hope it won't go away, I like seeing it at Pearson.
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How can you say that without looking at the numbers
Better on high demand demand routes where the 777 is too small and the A380 is overkill
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Don't worry, you'll be at least 30 the day the last A380 will "go away"...
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Better on high demand demand routes where the 777 is too small and the A380 is overkill
Exactly. I don't know the cost different for seat/miles between the 747-8 and the A380... but I do know it would be easier to keep the seats full on a 747-8 and that will make money for the airline. It's also usable on more routes.
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I always wonder what if, Airbus had never made the A380 a reality & it was only a concept airliner that never materialized but instead you only had Boeing's 747-8I. My question is; would all the airlines that operate the A380 today, would they have ordered the 747-8I instead..? Would it been more successful as the sole 4 engine large aircraft..?

Also, what if there was still demand for very large airliner, would Boeing still develop the 747-500X or 747-600X they announced in 1996 at the Farnborough Airshow..?
I think most of the A380 orders would have gone to Boeing since the 747 would be the biggest thing available.

It's all related to competition. If Airbus didn't make the A320, Boeing would be selling a lot more 737s.
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This is what Boeing needs to be focusing on if they are not already.
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They've been focusing on this all the 1960ies and I didn't work out, it still won't today.
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The 747 will die long before the A380 does. I always considered the 747 to be a really ugly plane with a deformed forehead. The 747 will go the same way as the MD-11.

One day passengers will realize that being being crammed in like sardines are turning people into cattle. Once the masses realize that and start looking for airlines which does provide additional leg-room, then airlines will realize they cannot just cram more and more people into the same space (777 like).
Then there will be a huge demand for A380's. By that time the 747 will be a long gone memory. ;-)

There are also routes that the A380 would do great on, but the airport at the destination needs some sort of upgrade. Cape Town International is one such destination. It simply cannot accept A380 operations yet, but a runway re-alignment will sort that out in the coming years. Then BA will fly the A380 into CTIA.

Asia-Pacific is a sleeping giant too. Airports there are getting cramped as well.

Also, most forget that the world economy is a bit in a slump. Once it starts picking up again, the demand for the A380 will return.
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I concur with Theodore here. Despite the "potential" for future orders via Emirates and maybe a few here and there from Asian airlines, the likelihood of a flurry of orders on the magnitude of dozens or more is not very likely.

Just as with Boeing's venerable 45+ year old 747 program, there comes a time when no matter how HARD you try, and no matter how GOOD the product may be, there's simply no longer a market for it. And if the writing ISN'T on the wall for BOTH Airbus and Boeing for 4-holers, they must be still relying on a decrepit and antiquated crystal ball, because most sane business-folks would have written off these programs by now.

And NOT because I am a Boeing-fan moreso than Airbus, I actually believe that Boeing has a slightly better opportunity to keep the 747-8 line going. The obvious reason is the freighter market. If air freight picks up (no pun intended) in the near future, then there is a greater chance that some operators MAY opt for the 747-8F instead of the 777-series of freighters.

It's still a dicey proposition, as there are many USED freighters available, or conversional opportunities for used passenger jets in the desert, at least the chance is there that Boeing could still land (again no pun intended) 747-8F orders well into the 2020s.

Otherwise, 4-holers are pretty much a dead proposition for airlines --- except for, as Typo said, executive egos. :roll eyes:

IMHO this so-called "Ecoliner" concept by a random designer is one design that I would love to see Boeing build ...

Sorry but that will never get built unless Boeing wants to go bankrupt
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The 747 will die long before the A380 does. I always considered the 747 to be a really ugly plane with a deformed forehead. The 747 will go the same way as the MD-11.

One day passengers will realize that being being crammed in like sardines are turning people into cattle. Once the masses realize that and start looking for airlines which does provide additional leg-room, then airlines will realize they cannot just cram more and more people into the same space (777 like).
Then there will be a huge demand for A380's. By that time the 747 will be a long gone memory. ;-)

There are also routes that the A380 would do great on, but the airport at the destination needs some sort of upgrade. Cape Town International is one such destination. It simply cannot accept A380 operations yet, but a runway re-alignment will sort that out in the coming years. Then BA will fly the A380 into CTIA.

Asia-Pacific is a sleeping giant too. Airports there are getting cramped as well.

Also, most forget that the world economy is a bit in a slump. Once it starts picking up again, the demand for the A380 will return.
You are talking about the A380 and you are calling the 747 ugly
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Yup. You can polish it all you want, that ugly beast stays one ugly plane. Will be glad to see it exit stage left.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, guys.

To say that an A/C is "beautiful" or "ugly" is dumb. None of us has the power to set an international beauty standard for planes, so please just say "I don't like it" or "I do".
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, guys.

To say that an A/C is "beautiful" or "ugly" is dumb. None of us has the power to set an international beauty standard for planes, so please just say "I don't like it" or "I do".
Well I like the 747
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, the 777 is aging, so are A330 and 340 and there is nothing else "in between".

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True. That's why we have the new 777-8 and 777-9 gracing our skies very soon. T7

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Sadly not a single us carrier placed orders for a 779
I wonder why that is. Maybe they don't need that many seats for most of their routes. Maybe they're planning on keeping some 777-300ERs for a while.
Also I feel like lately they're not early adopters. I could be wrong..
I don't know... just speculating. Maybe someone here knows why?
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Never understood why people get all het up about the A380. Lovely plane to fly on and whilst the nose may not be aesthetically pleasing the gull wing is a thing of beauty. I've stood under the approach to Heathrow many times with one of these thundering overhead, almost within touching distance, and it's an absolute thrill. I hope she'll be around for many years to come.
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Doesn't mean anything. How long was it before a U.S. airline ordered the 777-300ER?
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The 747 will die long before the A380 does. I always considered the 747 to be a really ugly plane with a deformed forehead. The 747 will go the same way as the MD-11.

One day passengers will realize that being being crammed in like sardines are turning people into cattle. Once the masses realize that and start looking for airlines which does provide additional leg-room, then airlines will realize they cannot just cram more and more people into the same space (777 like).
Then there will be a huge demand for A380's. By that time the 747 will be a long gone memory. ;-)

There are also routes that the A380 would do great on, but the airport at the destination needs some sort of upgrade. Cape Town International is one such destination. It simply cannot accept A380 operations yet, but a runway re-alignment will sort that out in the coming years. Then BA will fly the A380 into CTIA.

Asia-Pacific is a sleeping giant too. Airports there are getting cramped as well.

Also, most forget that the world economy is a bit in a slump. Once it starts picking up again, the demand for the A380 will return.
How long have you been working at Airbus?
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The 747 will die long before the A380 does. I always considered the 747 to be a really ugly plane with a deformed forehead. The 747 will go the same way as the MD-11.

One day passengers will realize that being being crammed in like sardines are turning people into cattle. Once the masses realize that and start looking for airlines which does provide additional leg-room, then airlines will realize they cannot just cram more and more people into the same space (777 like).
Then there will be a huge demand for A380's. By that time the 747 will be a long gone memory

Also, most forget that the world economy is a bit in a slump. Once it starts picking up again, the demand for the A380 will return.
I could have sworn that it was virtually every airline that crams cattle - err - people into their aircraft. Some just do it 'better' than others with 28 inches of legroom. This phenomenon of extreme cramming of cattle started way before the A388, to say the least. I would hardly call the A388 the 'Savior of Legroom' for I was squeezed into a seat with some box (IFE probably) to the left side of my legroom. I'm no giant (5'8") but I recall the B744 on the way over was more comfortable, without the box. I will admit that the best part of flying on the A380 was that it was 1/3 full in Y!

I doubt the 747 itself will die anytime soon - just today I caught a Kalitta B742 hauling cargo to SFO. It'll live its remaining life as a freighter, as are the Fedex MD-11s And MD-10s (DC-10s) today. It's never a bore to watch these classic birds on approach to Oakland, many of which are former passenger aircraft. Would I like to see 747s there? Yes, but The trijets are just as pleasing to the eye. But the 747-8 program on the other hand - it's not going to survive for the pax market, to say the least.

So how's the A380 Freighter project?

As stated before, de gustibus non est disputandum, but surely you must view the DC-10 nose as horrible?
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The 747 will die long before the A380 does. I always considered the 747 to be a really ugly plane with a deformed forehead. The 747 will go the same way as the MD-11.

One day passengers will realize that being being crammed in like sardines are turning people into cattle. Once the masses realize that and start looking for airlines which does provide additional leg-room, then airlines will realize they cannot just cram more and more people into the same space (777 like).
Then there will be a huge demand for A380's. By that time the 747 will be a long gone memory. ;-)

There are also routes that the A380 would do great on, but the airport at the destination needs some sort of upgrade. Cape Town International is one such destination. It simply cannot accept A380 operations yet, but a runway re-alignment will sort that out in the coming years. Then BA will fly the A380 into CTIA.

Asia-Pacific is a sleeping giant too. Airports there are getting cramped as well.

Also, most forget that the world economy is a bit in a slump. Once it starts picking up again, the demand for the A380 will return.
You are in need of help for your delusions, the A380 white elephants will be mouldering away in the desert whilst Classic 747 freighters still earn their tay let alone the magnificent 400, and -8, and I'm not a hater. Just speaking, truth, justice, and beauty. : )
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I wonder why that is. Maybe they don't need that many seats for most of their routes. Maybe they're planning on keeping some 777-300ERs for a while.
Also I feel like lately they're not early adopters. I could be wrong..
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Doesn't mean anything. How long was it before a U.S. airline ordered the 777-300ER?
Gentlemen, just to make things clear. I T7_4ever did NOT post a comment that there are no orders for the B777-9 bird.

I do believe there are some Middle East and Asian Airlines that are very much interested in the B777-9 program. Cheers! T7
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How long have you been working at Airbus?
Stupid comment. Needs no further response. Go don your dunce hat and stand in the corner.

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But the 747-8 program on the other hand - it's not going to survive for the pax market, to say the least.

So how's the A380 Freighter project?

As stated before, de gustibus non est disputandum, but surely you must view the DC-10 nose as horrible?
The pax market is the point of my comment.
Any airliner can be converted to freighter if the need arises. How many "ancient" aircraft are still flying around hauling freight?
So there might conceivably be an A380 in future hauling cargo around, probably not a purpose build one thought.

The 747 program for passengers is on it's last legs though.

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You are in need of help for your delusions, the A380 white elephants will be mouldering away in the desert whilst Classic 747 freighters still earn their tay let alone the magnificent 400, and -8, and I'm not a hater. Just speaking, truth, justice, and beauty. : )


Ya'all North American Boeing "lovers"sure do get worked up when one calls your gal an ugly bird. lol

The fact of the matter is, the 747 basic design is an old and by now somewhat inefficient design.

Yes, it has been tweak a lot to squeeze some more sales out of the program, but its time as king of the roost has come and gone. Deal with it.

The A380 on the other hand is much more modern and the design has built-in stretching capability. I am convinced the NEO program will eventually go ahead.

There is realistically only a market for one VLA aircraft in the world in the near to long term. And the A380 would fill that requirement.
You can only squeeze so many aircraft into slots at the major airports.
Eventually the need will become apparant and airlines would be forced to buy the big A.

It would be interesting to see who snaps up older A380's once they are retired.

This stupid thread required stupid responses. Stating that the A380 is about to die is just ridiculous in my view.
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