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Old 04-02-2016, 01:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello fellow collectors,

I've always thought that the center cockpit window (if that's what they're called) was a bit odd and reminds me of having a center tooth. Here is a list of the ones I can find, please show me if there are any more:

AN-24


B377


CV-880


CV-990


DC-8


DC-9/MD-80/MD-90


Trident: Not just the window...


Constellation/ Super Connie


Il-76: Does the eyebrow count?



Nord 262


Tu-104


Tu-114


Tu-154


Viscount


Yak-42
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Old 04-03-2016, 01:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I guess the planes with the center windows have the pilots seeing the bar connecting the windows together, but with no center, the pilots can see right ahead of them instead of looking to the side when they are flying which is hard to fly like that.
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B-52, c-5?
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Interesting topic! Have no idea why some manufacturers engineered cockpit windows with a center cockpit window. Given the fact both pilots are located off-center, it would not seem to have any particular value.

I flew both the HP-137 Jetstream and Metroliner, yet cannot recall anything beneficial about this arrangement.

A bit of Metroliner trivia: Metro II had a redline speed of 248 kts while the newer III model was restricted to 246 kts. It is an aerodynamically very clean airframe easily capable of greater speed; indeed early design philosophy envisioned a jet powered derivative. However, the windshields were not stressed for bird impacts above the placarded speeds. Also, the very early IIs had a JATO rocket in the tail to assist with engine failure after takeoff before gear retraction. As a practical matter, the early II was so underpowered the good engine was jokingly accused of getting you to the scene of the accident just a bit farther!! Later models had greater power and substituted alcohol-water injection for the rocket.
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:43 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It is in case Joe Patroni is looking over your shoulder!
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A bit of Metroliner trivia: Metro II had a redline speed of 248 kts while the newer III model was restricted to 246 kts. It is an aerodynamically very clean airframe easily capable of greater speed; indeed early design philosophy envisioned a jet powered derivative. However, the windshields were not stressed for bird impacts above the placarded speeds. Also, the very early IIs had a JATO rocket in the tail to assist with engine failure after takeoff before gear retraction. As a practical matter, the early II was so underpowered the good engine was jokingly accused of getting you to the scene of the accident just a bit farther!! Later models had greater power and substituted alcohol-water injection for the rocket.
Wow. I've read some stuff from pilots reminiscing about how bad the Metroliners were, but thats crazy.
That reminds me of the comedian Ron White when he says something about an engine quitting on a turboprop he was on. "But the Captain came on and said 'Don't worry, we lost an engine but our remaining engine will take us all the way to the scene of the crash. Hell, we'll beat the paramedics by a half hour!"
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Wow. I've read some stuff from pilots reminiscing about how bad the Metroliners were, but thats crazy.
That reminds me of the comedian Ron White when he says something about an engine quitting on a turboprop he was on. "But the Captain came on and said 'Don't worry, we lost an engine but our remaining engine will take us all the way to the scene of the crash. Hell, we'll beat the paramedics by a half hour!"
The Metroliner was a pretty good aircraft for its time; fast, rugged, and very fuel efficient. I flew them for SkyWest between 1986 and 1990, so we had a very mixed fleet. There was still a Metro I on the property that had round windows! The Garrett TPE-331 was a dependable engine that had many variants; the Metro II had either a -3 or -10 installation. The latter had more power and was a good single-engine aircraft. The -3 birds would have been a handful after engine failure at a hot or high altitude airport. Metro III had a bigger wingspan with a section added outboard of the ailerons, so they flew like a truck. The -11 engines were sufficient even though takeoff weight increased. Alcohol-water injection was available for takeoff if necessary, and could be commanded to engage following the loss of an engine after takeoff. The Metro was typically minimally equipped and generally lacked an autopilot. The original SkyWest aircraft had very basic flight instruments for the f/o, while the former SunAire* birds had a f/o panel similar to the capts.

*SunAire was a regional based in Palm Springs that merged with SkyWest a bit before I was hired.
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The latter had more power and was a good single-engine aircraft.
and this topic is getting more interesting
anyway, your comment reminds me of lockheed connies, being dubbed as "the
world's best tri motor"
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and this topic is getting more interesting
anyway, your comment reminds me of lockheed connies, being dubbed as "the
world's best tri motor"
The Wright R-3350 Turbo Compound recips were the epitome of round engine design but were terribly failure prone. Thankfully the turbojet came along to retire these beautifully sounding but flawed lumps of metal!

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