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Hmm. I am betting it's from MH370; due to the fact = how many B777 planes are currently missing?

Malaysia's transport minister said Wednesday there is a "high possibility" that a piece of debris found on a sandbar off Mozambique is from a Boeing 777 but more investigation is needed to determine whether it is from the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 that disappeared two years ago with 239 people aboard.

Minister Liow Tiong Lai said on Twitter that Malaysia is working with Australian counterparts to retrieve the debris.

"Based on early reports, high possibility debris found in Mozambique belongs to a B777," he tweeted. "I urged everyone to avoid undue speculation as we are not able to conclude that the debris belongs to #mh370 at this time."

Investigators in Malaysia, Australia and the U.S. have examined photographs of the debris, and say there is a good chance it came from a Boeing 777, according to NBC News.

NBC News quotes unidentified sources as saying the object has the words "NO STEP" on it and could be from a plane's horizontal stabilizer that is attached to the tail. An American who has been blogging about the search for the MH370 found the debris, according to NBC News.


Flight MH370 disappeared on March 8, 2014, while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

A spokesman for Australia's Joint Agency Coordination Center, which was established to coordinate that country's investigation of the missing plane, tells CBS News that the center is aware of the debris and is working with officials in both Malaysia and Mozambique to identify it.

Mozambique is in southeast Africa on the southern Indian Ocean, 1,200 miles west of Reunion Island, where a "flaperon" from the ill-fated plane washed up in July.
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It's looking more like bits and pieces of the MH370 plane will keep washing ashore as time goes one.
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I guess they'll eventually find this aircraft...piece by piece.
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I did see an interview the other day on Australian media,a search team spokesman stated that the search will continue till the end of July and cease after that.
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I did see an interview the other day on Australian media,a search team spokesman stated that the search will continue till the end of July and cease after that.
I have to commend and give praise to the Australian search officials for going above and beyond with MH370.
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Looks like all the 'hush hush' money the Malayasian PM could have been used to fund more resources for the MH370 search and recovery efforts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/29/1mdb-...n-reports.html

Deposits into personal accounts of Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak exceeded $1 billion, with much of these funds being traced to a beleaguered state investment fund, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing global investigators familiar with the matter.

The WSJ published a report in July alleging that nearly $700 million had flowed from the 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB) fund to Najib's personal bank account. Najib has repeatedly denied wrong-doing and, under pressure from the WSJ report, said at the time the funds were a private donation from a Middle Eastern country he declined to name.

In January, Malaysia's Attorney General Mohamed Apandi Ali told an unscheduled press conference that Saudi Arabia's royal family gave Najib a $681 million gift that was subsequently returned. The announcement was an effort to end months of speculation about the source of the huge personal donation that landed in the prime minister's personal bank account.

Apandi said in January that no criminal offense had been committed, in a move that appeared to mark the end of the matter, at least within the country.
But investigators in two other countries disagreed, the WSJ reported, without disclosing the names of those countries.
According to the newspaper's latest report, in addition to the previously identified $681 million that moved to Najib's account in 2013, funds also arrived in 2011 and 2012. Najib's office declined to comment on allegations that funds deposited in his accounts exceeded $1 billion.

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Malaysia quells dissent over 1MDB scandal: WSJ
Citing investigators in other countries, the WSJ reported that the money originated from 1MDB, Malaysia's debt-laden growth fund.

According to the investigators cited by the WSJ, the funds were transferred through several transactions in different countries with the assistance of two former officials of Abu Dhabi, before reaching the British Virgin Islands. The $681 million moved from there to Najib's account, according to the WSJ.

The scandal has already taken a political toll in Malaysia.

Last week, Malaysia's ruling United Malays National Organization (UMNO) suspended Muhyiddin Yassin, a deputy party president, citing his failure to support Najib. Muhyiddin had previously been fired by Najib from his position as deputy prime minister.

On Monday, Malaysia's former premier Mahathir Mohamad said he would UMNO as it is being seen as "supporting corruption" under Najib's leadership.

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Looks like all the 'hush hush' money the Malayasian PM could have been used to fund more resources for the MH370 search and recovery efforts.

1MDB scandal: Deposits in Najib's account said to exceed $1 billion: Reports

Deposits into personal accounts of Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak exceeded $1 billion, with much of these funds being traced to a beleaguered state investment fund, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing global investigators familiar with the matter.

The WSJ published a report in July alleging that nearly $700 million had flowed from the 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB) fund to Najib's personal bank account. Najib has repeatedly denied wrong-doing and, under pressure from the WSJ report, said at the time the funds were a private donation from a Middle Eastern country he declined to name.

In January, Malaysia's Attorney General Mohamed Apandi Ali told an unscheduled press conference that Saudi Arabia's royal family gave Najib a $681 million gift that was subsequently returned. The announcement was an effort to end months of speculation about the source of the huge personal donation that landed in the prime minister's personal bank account.

Apandi said in January that no criminal offense had been committed, in a move that appeared to mark the end of the matter, at least within the country.
But investigators in two other countries disagreed, the WSJ reported, without disclosing the names of those countries.
According to the newspaper's latest report, in addition to the previously identified $681 million that moved to Najib's account in 2013, funds also arrived in 2011 and 2012. Najib's office declined to comment on allegations that funds deposited in his accounts exceeded $1 billion.

Najib Razak, Prime Minister of Malaysia.
Malaysia quells dissent over 1MDB scandal: WSJ
Citing investigators in other countries, the WSJ reported that the money originated from 1MDB, Malaysia's debt-laden growth fund.

According to the investigators cited by the WSJ, the funds were transferred through several transactions in different countries with the assistance of two former officials of Abu Dhabi, before reaching the British Virgin Islands. The $681 million moved from there to Najib's account, according to the WSJ.

The scandal has already taken a political toll in Malaysia.

Last week, Malaysia's ruling United Malays National Organization (UMNO) suspended Muhyiddin Yassin, a deputy party president, citing his failure to support Najib. Muhyiddin had previously been fired by Najib from his position as deputy prime minister.

On Monday, Malaysia's former premier Mahathir Mohamad said he would UMNO as it is being seen as "supporting corruption" under Najib's leadership.
is it sheer coincidence that these pieces seem to wash ashore some distant land whenever there's an expose? the wsj comes up with new allegations and bang! more debris found in some remote part of the world. i wonder if any will ever be found in mali

p.s. fyi, mali is a land-locked nation so nothing washes ashore
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is it sheer coincidence that these pieces seem to wash ashore some distant land whenever there's an expose? the wsj comes up with new allegations and bang! more debris found in some remote part of the world. i wonder if any will ever be found in mali

p.s. fyi, mali is a land-locked nation so nothing washes ashore
I hear ya. I personally don't think we will ever know what were the underlying events that transpired on that ill fated B777.

I can only think of a few things regarding MH370:

1. No Aliens were involved
2. The plane didn't pull a 'Lost' and ended up touching down on some deserted island.
3. There was human factors involved to take the T7 on it's new course; way way off the pre-planned flight path.
4. The main fuselage is in the bottom of the ocean; which has probably been covered up by the shifting sediments of the ocean floor. RIP to all onboard

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I hear ya. I personally don't think we will ever know what were the underlying events that transpired on that ill fated B777.

I can only think of a few things regarding MH370:

1. No Aliens were involved
2. The plane didn't pull a 'Lost' and ended up touching down on some deserted island.
3. There was human factors involved to take the T7 on it's new course; way way off the pre-planned flight path.
4. The main fuselage is in the bottom of the ocean; which has probably been covered up by the shifting sediments of the ocean floor. RIP to all onboard
okay... here's my conspiracy theory:

1. no aliens were involved... unless you're talking about the illegal immigrants;
2. there was a demand made, for which no compromise was reached (why did it take so long to come out with the atc transcripts? and even then, they got the last words from the cabin wrong);
3. the plane was deliberately taken off the grid but contrary to popular belief, was closely monitored (whoever made the threat wanted to let the powers that be know that he/they knew what they were doing and meant business);
4. flight mh370 crash landed in the ocean, and a clean up crew was sent to remove the debris (no idea whether there were survivors or otherwise... or if there were survivors, what happened to them. my theory is there were and i shudder to consider what might have been their fate);
5. media containment crew went to work overtime to prevent rescue efforts at actual site until containment completed (what the heck were they sending int'l search crew on a wild goose chase in the south china sea when they already knew the flight had turned back?);
6. plane declared lost and frantic search operations begins in earnest.

ok ok... as you know how much trolling i do here on da.c, it's a devil's workshop up there. anyway, if the lackadaisical attitude of the authorities were a fact, that alone would've bordered on criminal negligence, if anything. an aircraft as huge as a triple 7 goes off the grid and nobody bothers to find out what's going on until like 6 hours later??? oh come on...

so yes, there are bits and pieces left after the containment exercise which can be very useful to divert attention whenever some major issue crops up... like say a murdered bank founder, or a public prosecutor. after all, didn't somebody say something about the lack of barnacles on the flaperon?
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I think they should search in the area near Madagascar and the reunion islands, that is where the two pieces washed up
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I think they should search in the area near Madagascar and the reunion islands, that is where the two pieces washed up
you're assuming they actually wanna find the aircraft
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hope that people find a closure to this tragic.
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hope that people find a closure to this tragic.
we all do. and that's why it's been so frustrating to find the answers

and one question that keeps playing in my mind is "why didn't they do anything when the plane had gone off the grid and gone roque (since they were aware of the turnaround)?!"

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hope that people find a closure to this tragic.
The sad part is that when some of the family and friends of the MH370 passengers have come to closure; these parts/pieces of MH370 being found every few months takes them back to that painful day in their lives. And they must start that healing process all over again.
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yeah. hope the black boxes will wash ashore one day.
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The sad part is that when some of the family and friends of the MH370 passengers have come to closure; these parts/pieces of MH370 being found every few months takes them back to that painful day in their lives. And they must start that healing process all over again.
Very true ... the only saving grace is that at least they know that the plane went down and is submerged in the ocean ... better than not finding any wreckage and wondering what ever happened to the plane ... that piece from the horizontal stabilizer is mighty small ... that may be an indication that the plane is extremely fragmented.
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Well, if the search teams ever located MH370; here are a few things to keep in mind.

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SYDNEY (AP) — If Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is ever found, the wreckage will immediately present a host of new questions before it's likely to provide answers about the plane's disappearance nearly two years ago.

What will be recovered? Who will pay for it? How much evidence has already been lost forever? Here are some key issues that will crop up if the plane is located:

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MUCH COULD REMAIN IN OCEAN

Given that the Boeing 777 is believed to be in waters as deep as 6.5 kilometers (4 miles), there are no plans to bring the entire plane to the surface, said Martin Dolan, chief commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is running the search. Crews will instead focus on retrieving the parts of the aircraft that are most likely to yield clues into its fate, such as the "black box" data and voice recorders, and the remains of the 239 passengers and crew.

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JOINT EFFORT

Australia would be in charge of any recovery effort, but because that would involve victim identification and retrieval, it would work closely with Malaysia, which is in charge of the investigation. Black boxes and other aircraft parts would be taken to ATSB headquarters in the Australian capital, Canberra, where Malaysian and Australian experts would analyze the data.

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FUNDS AVAILABLE, FOR NOW

There are still enough funds in the budget Australia set aside for the search to fund the recovery, said Dolan. But if the plane is discovered when that budget has run dry, Australia will have to confer with other countries to figure out how to pay what would be a complex effort requiring specialized equipment.

The ATSB has gathered a list of companies with equipment capable of retrieving wreckage from the seabed. Crews would need to photograph and map the debris field, then get the specialized vessels and crews to the remote search site. All of that will take a couple of months.

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BLACK BOXES HAVE LIMITS

If the black boxes are recovered, the data recorder should reveal details related to the plane's controls, including whether aircraft systems that might have helped track the plane were deliberately turned off, as some investigators theorize. But data recorders won't necessarily reveal who took those actions and why.

Conversations captured by the cockpit voice recorder could reveal more about what happened, but the device aboard the lost Boeing 777 could hold only the last two hours of recordings. Information from early in the flight was likely erased. That flight recorder exceeded the international standard at the time.

Airliners built after Jan. 1, 2021, must be equipped with 25-hour voice recorders capable recording the entire flight under new rules recently approved by the International Civil Aviation Organization, a U.N. agency that sets global aviation standards. However, there is no requirement to retrofit existing planes with longer recorders.
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i know we all hope and prayer for some form of closure. but i'm just curious why hasn't the malaysian authorities come clean with the following critical piece of information... whilst the international sar effort was scurrying to the south china sea, they had sent their ships to the straits of malacca instead, and it took them a long long time to inform the others that the plane turned back. why? and wth was the atc chief napping at the time of the disappearance???

Thai military says missing flight MH370 followed a twisting path to Strait of Malacca | Daily Mail Online

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Update: Looks like another possible MH370 part was found in Mozambique again!

MH370: Another possible piece of debris found in Mozambique - CNN.com

Another piece of plane debris has been discovered on the coast of Mozambique, an Australian aviation official told CNN on Friday.

The newly revealed debris, found by a South African family vacationing in the east African country, will be examined by investigators to establish if it may have come from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which vanished two years ago, according to Dan O'Malley, spokesman with the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

The piece is still in South Africa but will be transported to the Australian agency's laboratory in Canberra for analysis and examination by investigators from Malaysia, Australia and South Africa, along with engineers from Boeing, O'Malley said.

In the meantime, aviation experts still need to examine the other plane debris found by a U.S. tourist last week, also in Mozambique. That piece is from the horizontal part of an airliner's tail.

Officials haven't said yet whether that plane part matches up.

Investigators have said another piece of debris found on Reunion Island last year does belong to the Malaysian jet.

A U.S. official said last week it was likely the wreckage came from a Boeing 777 like MH370, and Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said there was a "high possibility" the part came from that type of plane.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is the only 777 to be missing in the region where the piece was found, the official said.

On the morning of March 8, 2014, Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, en route to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board. It vanished from radar in airspace over the Gulf of Thailand. The plane changed course for no apparent reason and vanished.
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the timing just seems too perfect. just saying.
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Good on the teen for sticking to his decision to keep the debris and not listen to his family/relatives.

JOHANNESBURG - A South African teenager vacationing in Mozambique may have found part of a wing from missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which his family dismissed as "rubbish" and his mother nearly threw away, he said Friday.

On Dec. 30, Liam Lotter was strolling on a beach in southern Mozambique, near the resort town of Xai Xai, when he spotted a grey piece of debris washed up on the sand, he recalled. It had rivet holes along the edge and the number 676EB stamped on it, convincing him he had found a piece of an aircraft. So he dragged the piece back to his family's vacation home.

"It was so waterlogged at that time, it was quite heavy. I struggled to pick it up," he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. The curved piece of debris is about 3.3 feet (one meter) long, and about half that length wide, his father Casper Lotter said.

His parents dismissed it as a "piece of rubbish" that was probably debris from a boat, with his uncle making fun of him for dragging it around, but the 18-year-old insisted on bringing it back to South Africa to research the fragment.

"He was adamant he wanted to bring it home because it had a number on it," said Casper Lotter, adding that his son is not an aviation enthusiast but was simply drawn to the piece of debris.

"It just grabbed him for some weird reason," the father said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

Back home in Wartburg in KwaZulu-Natal province, the piece was stored with the family's angling gear and almost forgotten as Lotter focused on his final year in high school. His mother even tried to throw it out, he said.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 jet vanished with 239 people on board while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014.

It was only when Lotter read about another piece of possible debris from the missing airliner also found in Mozambique, about 186 miles (300 kilometres) from where he had made his discovery, that he resumed his probe.

"I was very shocked — Mozambique, similar colour, similar area," the teen said of the piece discovered by an American man. "He described it similarly to what I'm looking at right now."

Last week, Lotter's mother Candace contacted Australian aviation authorities and they said the number on the part indicates it may belong to a Boeing 777, according to Casper Lotter. Australian authorities contacted South African counterparts to have the part examined by experts.

The honeycomb structure indicates it is either the leading edge of a wing, or a horizontal stabilizer

"We have arranged for collection of the part, which will be sent to Australia as they are the ones appointed by Malaysia to identify parts found," Kabelo Ledwaba, spokesman South African Civil Aviation Authority, wrote in a text message to the AP.

Last month, Blaine Gibson, a Seattle lawyer and part-time adventurer, found what could be a piece of tail section from the missing Malaysian airlines flight. The piece Gibson found had "NO STEP" written on it.

The 58-year-old's search for the missing jet has taken him to beaches in the Maldives, Mauritius, Cambodia, Myanmar and the French island of Reunion, he told The Associated Press. Gibson also travelled to Malaysia to attend a commemorative ceremony held on Sunday by the families of passengers on board the airliner.

The South African teenager hopes his find will help the grieving families, and inspire others who may have found fragments of the missing plane to hand them over to authorities.

He said he would be pleased "just for them to know that we're finding evidence, finding out how it happened, where it happened, just to give them some closure."

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