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Old 01-25-2016, 03:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well, anybody out there want to sell some planes to Iran? Hello folks at Boeing and Airbus? Cheers! T7

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Behold Saudi Arabia.
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I'll bet Boeing is "chomping at the bit" right about now … probably hoping that some airline ANYWHERE will buy a few dozen frames of the 747-8 … since they have been long-time Boeing customers with 747-200s, 747SPs and -400s there is a history that they might consider a 4-holer … even the A380 obviously as mentioned. Not sure how the political situation is going to affect such negotiations, but needless to say it could be interesting.

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I wonder how are they going to fill seats for an A380
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I wonder how are they going to fill seats for an A380

Politics aside, Iran is the most developed and stable countries in the Middle-east. It has a very young and educated population. When trade and business opens up, there will be a need for passenger seats.

OT, the President of Iran meet with the Pope today, while on a 2 week visit to Europe to develop trade and business ties.

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Well Iran's getting 118 airbuses..including 12 A380s.. :-)))))

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ail/iran-deal/
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Well Iran's getting 118 airbuses..including 12 A380s.. :-)))))

Iran selects Airbus for its civil aviation renewal*| Airbus Press release
Wow! That a great sale for the folks at Airbus. What gives? No Boeing planes?
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I'd be willing to broker a much better deal on some 747s for them!



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I'd be willing to broker a much better deal on some 747s for them!

Them are SPs no less ... at least the one in the background! Unfortunately, or rather FORTUNATELY, they have more than enough ca$h on hand to purchase a state-of-the-art fleet ... please do consider the 747-8 ... after all ... what do THEY care about fuel prices? :roll eyes:

In fact, HERE's one you they can have painted ANY way they want ... and for a HUGE discount!


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Maybe we can sell them some nice, gently used F-14s.
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I SWEAR I was gonna tell you, but you didn't give me a chance!

I'll split the money with you if a deal can be made.
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Wow! That a great sale for the folks at Airbus. What gives? No Boeing planes?
Maybe they are a bit scared now, since they have Boeing planes but have been prevented from acquiring spares.
What goes round...
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Maybe they are a bit scared now, since they have Boeing planes but have been prevented from acquiring spares.
What goes round...
Exactly, plus why should Iranian airlines not select the best aircraft for their needs and buy the unwanted models nobody else buys??? Iran Air also went for A350s and A330s, so if Mahan should decide to go for Boeing instead, why wouldn't they order the superior T7 models?

They will not take anyones junk, the Persians really have the money that puts them in a different position..
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Maybe we can sell them some nice, gently used F-14s.
Well, apart from the museum ones, where are the remaining airworthy F-14 airframes ?
Anyway, i believe US still apply sanctions to Iran, so that is not bound to happen anyday, not even a maintenance or upgrade of the iranian Tomcats.

Which is a pity, it is a tremendous aircraft who gave a good licking to quite a number of iraqi fighters during the Iran/Iraq war.

At least a good part of the 700 odd Phoenix missiles ordered went into good use.
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They will not take anyones junk, the Persians really have the money that puts them in a different position..
Just in light-hearted jest LH ... by a similar analogy they did just order about a dozen A380s did they not? That plane is of similar "efficiency" (or lack thereof) as the 747-8 ... basically they're both 4-holers that are clearly NOT en vogue in the M.O. of current airline operations.

My hope is that they seriously consider the 747-8 in light of the fact that they were major Boeing customers before, even with variants such as the 747SP ... hopefully the political relationship between the U.S. and Iran won't adversely influence Boeing purchases in general ... a topic which is far beyond the scope of our discussion here.

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Just in light-hearted jest LH ... by a similar analogy they did just order about a dozen A380s did they not? That plane is of similar "efficiency" (or lack thereof) as the 747-8 ... basically they're both 4-holers that are clearly NOT en vogue in the M.O. of current airline operations.

My hope is that they seriously consider the 747-8 in light of the fact that they were major Boeing customers before, even with variants such as the 747SP ... hopefully the political relationship between the U.S. and Iran won't adversely influence Boeing purchases in general ... a topic which is far beyond the scope of our discussion here.
Iran just announced that they want to begin trading oil with Euros rather than US dollars. The rest of the world trades oil on the dollar but Iran wants to be different. Anybody who thought they were even remotely considering buying Boeing for even 1/1000th of a second was living in a fantasy world. As I've said before, their decisions are about as shocking as the USAF selecting the 747.
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Just in light-hearted jest LH ... by a similar analogy they did just order about a dozen A380s did they not? That plane is of similar "efficiency" (or lack thereof) as the 747-8 ... basically they're both 4-holers that are clearly NOT en vogue in the M.O. of current airline operations.

My hope is that they seriously consider the 747-8 in light of the fact that they were major Boeing customers before, even with variants such as the 747SP ... hopefully the political relationship between the U.S. and Iran won't adversely influence Boeing purchases in general ... a topic which is far beyond the scope of our discussion here.
Wait a second - not to mix things up: Iran as a country needs ~500 planes, while Iran Air (The -SP operator) has just ordered 118 Airbus and 20 ATRs (plus 20 options).. That means for me that Iran Air is through with a nice mix of A320ceo/neo, A330ceo/neo, A350 and A380 on order (they currently have a fleet of only 42 aircraft!!).. They might add some used A320s and A330s as an interim, but that's it. We are now talking about airlines like Mahan Air, Iran Aseman, Taban Air or Kish Air.. Mahan Air has no -SPs, they had -300s, which were Combis plus -400s and replaced them with used A346 lately..

For Iran Air the flagship has been chosen - the A380 - the most advanced and largest plane you can buy for that porpuse like many other airlines did.. Sorry to say, but the list of airliners that operate the B748I can be made using one hand to count.. As said, if Boeing can sell planes into Iran for the airlines that still need new fleets it will be 737-MAX, B787 or B777.. Those types would make sense for the airlines listed above, not a B748I IMHO..
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Wait a second - not to mix things up: Iran as a country needs ~500 planes, while Iran Air (The -SP operator) has just ordered 118 Airbus and 20 ATRs (plus 20 options).. That means for me that Iran Air is through with a nice mix of A320ceo/neo, A330ceo/neo, A350 and A380 on order (they currently have a fleet of only 42 aircraft!!).. They might add some used A320s and A330s as an interim, but that's it. We are now talking about airlines like Mahan Air, Iran Aseman, Taban Air or Kish Air.. Mahan Air has no -SPs, they had -300s, which were Combis plus -400s and replaced them with used A346 lately..

For Iran Air the flagship has been chosen - the A380 - the most advanced and largest plane you can buy for that porpuse like many other airlines did.. Sorry to say, but the list of airliners that operate the B748I can be made using one hand to count.. As said, if Boeing can sell planes into Iran for the airlines that still need new fleets it will be 737-MAX, B787 or B777.. Those types would make sense for the airlines listed above, not a B748I IMHO..
Well in light of those facts, not to mention trading in Euros vs. dollars, then I don't even see Iran purchasing ANY Boeings ... not even the newest versions ... the political ramifications are too overt and oppressing to overcome. C'est la vie ...
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Boeing Can Sell Planes To Iran, But Does Iran Want Them? : Parallels : NPR

I read the article, but i still don't get it.
Can Boeing sell to Iran ? Is Boeing interested ?
Is Iran interested ? Can they buy despite sanctions ?
Are there still sanctions ?

It says everything and the contrary.
Who are shooting themselves in the foot ?
Is it just gesturing from both sides ?

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Can Boeing sell to Iran ? Can they buy despite sanctions ?
Are there still sanctions ?
I was wondering this myself and looked it up.

No, the sanctions against Iran have been lifted as Iran continues to enrich Uranium.

This is the deal the current US president signed!
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I was wondering this myself and looked it up.

No, the sanctions against Iran have been lifted as Iran continues to enrich Uranium.

This is the deal the current US president signed!
Are you still looking for the WMD's in Iraq, NeedleNose ?

Leaving politics aside, and remember that it is not only the US administration but also the European countries who applied sanctions and lifted them.

So what is Boeing stance and what is the Iranian stance on the matter of possible sales of commercial aircraft to Iran ?
The article fails to answer the question properly.

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So what is Boeing stance and what is the Iranian stance on the matter of possible sales of commercial aircraft to Iran ?
The article fails to answer the question properly.
Can't answer that. I was just wondering about the sanctions question - whether or not Boeing COULD sell to Iran and found that they could.
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I was wondering this myself and looked it up.

No, the sanctions against Iran have been lifted as Iran continues to enrich Uranium.

This is the deal the current US president signed!
That is a very suggestive way to summarize the situation revealing more where you stand politically.. The fact is that Boeing is allowed to sell into Iran like the EU states as they both lifted the UN sanctions. Iran is allowed to enrich Uranium, but only under inspection plus only to a degree that is needed for civil use. There is a mechanism called 'snapback' that says that if Iran should not meet any requirement, all sanctions will be re-installed.. As far as aviation is concerned - Iran is only allowed to buy civil aircraft and spare parts from US and EU brands again not favoring anyone.. If preferences may favor EU products now after the past history of the Us acting in the region, this is another thing.. Personally, I still think that there will be a Boeing order as well containing mainly 737 and 787..
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Totally agree with you.
And i am sure that the Iranians will somehow order Boeings at one stage or the other, just for competition sake.
Like you said, it is not just Iran Air which is concerned.
This nuclear business has been gesturing on both sides from the beginning, which have benefited to the so-called US allies in the region, from the Mediterranean (wink-wink) across to the Arabic peninsula (wink-wink), but with the Middle East in turmoil, The Us administration is perhaps starting to understand where the stakes really are.
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any airline which could deliver me safely to my destination at a good price is a good one.
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