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Old 11-04-2014, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Here is the first Eastern 737 to be painted. Looks excellent, and I think the blue engines accent the livery nicely, even though they were not part of the original EAL livery. Now I need a model of it!
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'Splain me - EAL is returning from the dead? Some sort of Halloween Zombie, what? Over, Doug
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It's a new startup but I wouldn't get too excited. My admittedly limited understanding is they don't have the financial backing of Jet Blue or Virgin America and are starting as a charter type airline at Miami. Think more Pan Am 3 or the recent attempts at a Western Airlines branded op and 2nd PeoplExpress. It remains to be seen whether they ever get into scheduled ops though there is a fair amount of big talk with mention of MRJs etc

I wish them well but it hardly feels like a worthy use of the name and logo of one of the big four and I doubt they'll survive very long. Still it's nice to see a 737-800 wearing close to the original New Mark and I like the type titling on the tail.

Here's their website: http://easternairlines.aero/current-status.html

and some stories:

http://worldairlinenews.com/category/eastern-airlines/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...d-revival.html

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/...ern-air-lines/

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/6221437/
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Very nice.... hope they can be a success, id have one in my collection if Gemini release it

Navy blue winglets would look better against the lighter blue engines... Im not a fan of plain winglets lol
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It's a new startup but I wouldn't get too excited. My admittedly limited understanding is they don't have the financial backing of Jet Blue or Virgin America and are starting as a charter type airline at Miami. Think more Pan Am 3 or the recent attempts at a Western Airlines branded op and 2nd PeoplExpress. It remains to be seen whether they ever get into scheduled ops though there is a fair amount of big talk with mention of MRJs etc
I really do hope you're wrong. To me this venture seems a lot more 'level-headed' than others. Instead of starting scheduled service right away between secondary cities with old, leased aircraft a la PeoplExpress, they seem more interested in slow, steady growth with relatively new planes. Also, I've read that Eastern had a large amount of positive name recognition in Miami before they shut down, so they already have some of that taken care of for them in a way. Of course, only time will tell.

Also, I haven't heard about the Western relaunch. What was that all about? I can't seem to find anything online.
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The airports here in the U.S. are going to look like the 1980s' again with Eastern and the retro aircraft aircraft from AA landing soon.
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It's a new startup but I wouldn't get too excited. My admittedly limited understanding is they don't have the financial backing of Jet Blue or Virgin America and are starting as a charter type airline at Miami. Think more Pan Am 3 or the recent attempts at a Western Airlines branded op and 2nd PeoplExpress. It remains to be seen whether they ever get into scheduled ops though there is a fair amount of big talk with mention of MRJs etc

I wish them well but it hardly feels like a worthy use of the name and logo of one of the big four and I doubt they'll survive very long. Still it's nice to see a 737-800 wearing close to the original New Mark and I like the type titling on the tail.

Here's their website: Eastern Air Lines Current Status

and some stories:

Eastern Airlines | World Airline News

Eastern Air Lines Seeks Up to 10 Planes in Brand Revival - Bloomberg

Catching Up with the New Eastern Air Lines - AirlineReporter.com

New Eastern 737-800 Roll Out — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
Richard, everything I've heard about this airline says they have a ton of start-up capital, more so than say PeopleExpress. That's why they're doing things like the fashion show. I really hope this venture takes off, that livery is beautiful.
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Also, I haven't heard about the Western relaunch. What was that all about? I can't seem to find anything online.
They didn't last long but used Xtra Airways to fly their services:



Here's some more info: New Western Airlines [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums
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Richard, everything I've heard about this airline says they have a ton of start-up capital, more so than say PeopleExpress. That's why they're doing things like the fashion show. I really hope this venture takes off, that livery is beautiful.
I hope you're right, however I can't think of any recent startups that began as a charter and successfully transitioned to scheduled. If they had the money they'd just move into scheduled service. What I don't really understand and can find little info about is what is their plan? Why would someone fly them?

It seems there are three models available for a mainline:

Full service carrier: Going up against the majors is risky unless you have a focused market like JetBlue.

Scheduled from new markets: Flying from or to small 'underserved' airports. This strategy hasn't worked at all - see Skybus, Pan Am 3, Eastwind, Western 2, PeoplExpress etc etc etc

Low-cost: Once this was a good strategy when it was new - see ValuJet, Frontier 2. But now you really have to be ultra-low (Spirit) to survive against the majors.

The only other option is to do an Allegiant but that doesn't involve new 737-800s.

It's not like Miami hasn't got a huge AA hub at it and plenty of other service. Airlines like ValuJet, Frontier, JetBlue and to a certain extent Virgin US all began as scheduled offering a clear product to people that wasn't the same as what was on offer. JetBlue and Virgin both were able to tap into the NY-California TransCon markets. Plus both of them had big cash reserves and real orders (i.e. aircraft had begun to be delivered).

Eastern may still have brand recognition (though I'd question how many people really remember them after over 20 years and even those that do probably don't remember good things) but people nowadays don't have much brand loyalty. Cost is king unless you are aiming at business travelers. The new EA won't be able to offer the same levels of connectivity and service as AA and there isn't the O+D demand as in the NY-CA market is there? But they're not a low cost either are they?

Until their ordered 737s begin entering service I'll consider their orders in the same way Primaris' 787 and Skymark's A380s orders were considered.

As I say I hope to be proved wrong but the airline business is no place for sentiment. Good luck to them - and the 737 does look good.
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I'm very excited to see the Eastern rand returning to the skies, however it is true that they don't really have a lot that sets them apart. People who know airplanes will want to fly EAL because they remember the brand, but that says nothing for the general public.

Starting with a charter business seems smart; this way you can get a feel for the market (somewhat) and get the name out there a bit, while their planes get delivered. I dont think it makes sense to start commercial ops with less then ten aircraft, there is no backup and only a few routes can be flown at a time.

One question I had about this 738. Was this one part of the 20 ordered from Boeing? It wasnt built new, this was an ex-Kenya Airways aircraft, so are they getting this in addition to twenty other birds? I'm assuming not but I'm curious anyways.
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One question I had about this 738. Was this one part of the 20 ordered from Boeing? It wasnt built new, this was an ex-Kenya Airways aircraft, so are they getting this in addition to twenty other birds? I'm assuming not but I'm curious anyways.
My understanding is they are leasing a few secondhand 737s prior to the new build aircraft arriving. It wouldn't surprise me to see them gone before the ordered aircraft arrive.
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