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airport1-600 03-07-2014 08:04 PM

Malaysia Airlines 777 Missing
 
http://rt.com/news/malaysia-airlines-plane-beijing-570/

Doesn't look good.

Jan Jasinski 03-07-2014 08:29 PM

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Chatter on ANET as well.
MH 777 KUL-PEK Missing? Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

There are search and rescue visible on FR24.

T7_4ever 03-07-2014 08:37 PM

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Man, praying and hoping that contact can be re-established. But, from all accounts on the internet and media = this is very sad and I'm hoping that passengers were able to survive (if the plane had a controlled landing in the ocean).

T7_4ever 03-07-2014 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jan Jasinski (Post 1093876)
Chatter on ANET as well.
MH 777 KUL-PEK Missing? Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

There are search and rescue visible on FR24.

Any latest update, Jan? :sad: No word back from the rescue choppers if they spotted anything?

T7_4ever 03-07-2014 09:10 PM

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Someone posted on Airliners.net that a tweet was posted about a possible landing in China?? It is from Twitter, so it may be iffy as far as being reliable. Please be True!!

Big Al 03-07-2014 09:18 PM

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The latest (and last) official FR 24 tracking shows contact lost a good bit further north east than the above picture shows. Much further out and in a very difficult spot I'd assume... I don't see a happy outcome, Malaysian Airlines are preparing to talk to 'next of kin' according to their press releases.

T7_4ever 03-07-2014 09:20 PM

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China has just released news that the plane never entered China airspace.

Morgan is interviewing Greg Feith on CNN.

plane737 03-07-2014 09:28 PM

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Just saw this on my Yahoo page. Hoping everything is ok. Does not look good though.

Delta Airlines 03-07-2014 09:51 PM

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First off, I wish luck to the families of the passengers for a successful outcome. I am surprised how close to KL the last reported contact was.

T7_4ever 03-07-2014 09:56 PM

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Press Conference from Malaysian Airlines will commence in about 5-10 minutes according to CNN.

Now CNN is showing 'Blade Runner' murder trial. ????

CathayPacific 03-07-2014 10:17 PM

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I don't want to speculate at all on what happened, I'll wait until further details arrive.

wilson3a10 03-08-2014 12:20 AM

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The plane is still missing. Probably it crashed on the sea or luckily safely landed on the sea.

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps344cea77.jpg

MrMD11 03-08-2014 01:14 AM

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It's pretty clear the search and rescue parties are having difficulty finding the aircraft because it (and I hope I am wrong) has crashed in the water. With that being said, there is no indication that a distress signal was ever sent by the aircraft/aircrew - or at least it has not been reported. This would lead me to believe that one of two possibilities may have occurred - 1) the aircraft suffered a catastrophic failure with the airframe caused by an explosive device or structural failure as a lack of poor aircraft maintenance that gave the pilots no time to react or 2) the aircraft had faulty instrumentation and the instrumentation was telling the pilots one thing while the aircraft was doing something else.

These are just my opinions and would welcome any debate. What I am hoping for is to wake-up tomorrow morning and discover that the aircraft is sitting on a ramp somewhere in Vietnam with angry passengers waiting for a back-up aircraft.

Mps112 03-08-2014 01:27 AM

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Vietnam navy reported MH flight crashed near its Tho Chu island in the south..according to news agency

MEAflyboy 03-08-2014 01:42 AM

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My thoughts and prayers to all those who were on board this flight and their families.

callume190 03-08-2014 01:50 AM

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Very sad event and not good to see the B777 losing it's well maintained safety record!
Thoughts are for the families :sad:

MrMD11 03-08-2014 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by callume190 (Post 1093925)
Very sad event and not good to see the B777 losing it's well maintained safety record!
Thoughts are for the families :sad:

I am not quite sure how you see the 777 "losing it's well maintained safety record" as a result of this crash. Considering the fact that there have only been x4 lost 777s' in the 19 years since the aircraft has been in service is hardly a large stain on this aircraft's design, particular when taking into consideration some of the routes that are flown by this aircraft.

TOGAselected 03-08-2014 02:05 AM

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What we know at the stage is -

Disappeared from radar at cruise, so FL32-34 probably - Not long into the flight.

Crashed into the sea more than a hundred miles from the Vietnamese coast in the Gulf of Thailand Reports are that the Vietnamese navy has picked up the electronic distress buoy. Water there not very deep and the crash site is more or less pinpointed by radar so won't be long until the FDR and CVR are recovered. Radar transcripts and what they tell us about rate and trajectory of descent and also the contact itself will tell us a great deal.

No radio communication from the aircraft before the event that we know of but transcripts if there was anything may be come to light later. All indications are that the was no communication though.

Aircraft was 2002 delivered, one of the newest 772s in MH's fleet, a Rolls Trent 892 powered ER frame.

239 souls on board.

Routing KUL-PEK. Reported as overdue by Chinese authorities 2hrs 40mins after scheduled time of arrival. ACARS messages and satellite comms to MH would have stopped at least at the time of the crash or before. Woud be helpful to know if the flight left on time.

Useless to speculate at this point just have to look at the facts.

We can take just these things from the evidence - if there was no communication then there implies something catastrophic and very sudden.

Icing looks unlikely given the METARS down route and prevailing weather conditions. Likely to have been mild to moderate turbulence in the area at the time. But nothing to worry about.

Fuel starvation or catastrophic fuel contamination looks extremely unlikely at this stage as there does not appear to have been a flight path deviation from what we understnd and even if both engines went dark with no warnng the RAT would deploy to provide emergency power.

Structural failure, catastrophic depressurisation, oxygen system failure/hypoxia at cruise or a bomb or fire do fit with what we know but that's all we can say at this stage and that's an awful lot of questions right there.

Fact is we don't know. RIP to those who died and thoughts and prayers to the affected.

TOGAselected 03-08-2014 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1093927)
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I am not quite sure how you see the 777 "losing it's well maintained safety record" as a result of this crash. Considering the fact that there have only been x4 lost 777s' in the 19 years since the aircraft has been in service is hardly a large stain on this aircraft's design, particular when taking into consideration some of the routes that are flown by this aircraft.

Still incredibly unfeasibly improbably ludicrously safe. An absolute thoroughbred and not good to cast aspersions at this stage.

callume190 03-08-2014 02:38 AM

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Apparently Vietnam navy have found some wreckage just heard from sky news
Not sure where though

Big Al 03-08-2014 06:14 AM

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20km oil slick now spotted in the South China Sea near Vietnam...

karun83 03-08-2014 06:21 AM

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#PrayForMH370: "They're treating us worse than dogs": Chinese relatives

the inevitable has happened

The Vietnamese Navy is now confirming that MH370 has crashed south of Phu Quoc Island.

aritrixa 03-08-2014 06:53 AM

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A little correction, the Vietnam Navy Admiral delivered his newest statement....

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...ps0e07f5da.jpg

Referring to the official statement by Malaysian Airlines with regard to the last known position, I am assuming it is still on Malaysian territory and still far away from Vietnam water.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...ps41facc88.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...ps8971368b.jpg

Jan Jasinski 03-08-2014 07:21 AM

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13 different nationalities aboard this flight, mostly Chinese. They still have't found the wreckage, but it's certain the aircraft crashed into the sea. :(
R.I.P to the souls.

T7_4ever 03-08-2014 08:24 AM

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I woke up this morning in the hope of a great news. Unfortunately, tragic news that plane wreckage was found in the ocean has resulted in all souls lost aboard. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims families and loved ones. My hope now is that they locate the black box/flight data recorder to unravel the mystery on what events led up to this horrific crash.

T7_4ever 03-08-2014 08:35 AM

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Just read another report from CNN that contradicts that plane wreckage was found in the water off Vietnam?

wilson3a10 03-08-2014 08:38 AM

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This is ridiculous. The news are messed up I don't know which one is true

callume190 03-08-2014 08:47 AM

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It is reported that an Italian who was supposed to board this flight but had his passport stolen not long ago but according to sky news someone boarded this flight using his passportMay be a rumour as many are out there

Garuda747400 03-08-2014 08:49 AM

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I read a facebook status update this morning from a pilot friend who took off from KL behind MH370, He heard many MH aircraft calling out to MH370 on the emergency frequency but there was no reply.I always thought a landing in water would be safer then the ground but seeing what happened to the hijacked ethiopian flight years ago and the risk of drowning, it must be terrible. It doesnt matter if its in Malaysia or Vietnam, i just hope they can find it.

wilson3a10 03-08-2014 08:53 AM

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"The US embassy in China said: At 2:43am, the United States Air Force based in U-Tapao Royal Thai Navy Airfield had received an SOS signal from Malaysia Airlines MH370 plane. The pilot warned in the message that the plane would soon crash and they wanted to force landing. The air force has sent this important message to Malaysian authorities."

I don't know if it is true and official. I also thought if it was a terrorist attack, at least no officials has ruled this out.

wilson3a10 03-08-2014 08:54 AM

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"The US embassy in China said: At 2:43am, the United States Air Force based in U-Tapao Royal Thai Navy Airfield had received an SOS signal from Malaysia Airlines MH370 plane. The pilot warned in the message that the plane would soon crash and they wanted to force landing. The air force has sent this important message to Malaysian authorities."

I don't know if it is true and official. I also thought if it was a terrorist attack, at least no officials has ruled this out.

Rockybudgeboa 03-08-2014 09:52 AM

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Very very tragic news indeed and to all involved, I give condolences

MarinerOne 03-08-2014 12:11 PM

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Very sad and rather bizarre situation - usually debris are spotted rather quickly - condolences to all the families affected by this likely tragedy.

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i...ap-revised.jpg

Garuda747400 03-08-2014 12:38 PM

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Interesting if 2 passengers on this flight did indeed fly with stolen passports. I guess 2 italians are going to be told there dead when actually there not.

Rockybudgeboa 03-08-2014 12:42 PM

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One was from Austria and One was from Italy.

Garuda747400 03-08-2014 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockybudgeboa (Post 1094013)
One was from Austria and One was from Italy.


Or not as the case may be, Because there passports were stolen in thailand 2 years ago.

1. What happens when a passport goes missing?

a) is it only cancelled in the country of issue, so if anybody ever flew to austria or italy they would be caught? but since they fly within asia there is no worldwide missing passport database to alert any other nations ?

I hope not, but i heard reports of a bomb, because the aircraft dissapeared at 35,000ft, and asked myself who would want to punish malaysia or china?

I found it strange until i found this little terrorist group

Uyghur Seperatist State of China.

I dont want to get shot down for speculation on the worst outcome, but just a suggestion until we know more.

If the italian and austrian are safe, who was really on the plane in there place?

Jan Jasinski 03-08-2014 01:33 PM

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No wreckage has been found. I suspect there was a bombing since they can't find debris which is very odd. If a bomb was involved, the aircraft would be in millions of small particles making the search nearly impossible... Especially that the crash didn't occur in the middle of the ocean where it is difficult to reach. Me thinks there is lot's of information that we dob't know about.

MarinerOne 03-08-2014 01:40 PM

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Terrorism is definitely a distinct possibility given the circumstances ... not trying to overtly speculate here but something just doesn't feel "right" about things at the moment.

Stolen Passports Prompt Terror Concerns in Missing Jet, Officials Say - NBC News

MrMD11 03-08-2014 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan Jasinski (Post 1094020)
No wreckage has been found. I suspect there was a bombing since they can't find debris which is very odd. If a bomb was involved, the aircraft would be in millions of small particles making the search nearly impossible... Especially that the crash didn't occur in the middle of the ocean where it is difficult to reach. Me thinks there is lot's of information that we dob't know about.

What it tells me is that the aircraft hit the water hard ! If no debris is visible at this point, that airplane hit the water with tremendous force. The fact that an oil slick was found only recently this morning helps to reinforce this.

CathayPacific 03-08-2014 04:09 PM

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I think that the passport situation is honestly a coincidence here. There are many cases like this that go unheard of. My personal theory is that there may have been a fire in the cargo hold similar to what happened on the SA 747 that crashed many years ago albeit that one was a combi, it too went down very quickly and I believe only one radio call was made before it slammed into the sea. If the reports are true that the US base did receive a warning from MH370 then this is a possibility. I would hold off on the bomb theory for now. If the plane had broken up at high altitude, the oil slick probably wouldn't have shown up at all. One of my buddies is a pilot for CX and flew through airspace near to this between SIN-HKG a few hours before it was reported missing and said that weather was excellent as reports have said.

1:200Freak 03-08-2014 04:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan Jasinski (Post 1094020)
No wreckage has been found. I suspect there was a bombing since they can't find debris which is very odd. If a bomb was involved, the aircraft would be in millions of small particles making the search nearly impossible... Especially that the crash didn't occur in the middle of the ocean where it is difficult to reach. Me thinks there is lot's of information that we dob't know about.

There was no wreckage found for AF 447 immediately. And an explosion does not necessarily mean it would go into millions of pieces.




A Tupolev 03-08-2014 05:12 PM

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The fact of the passport issue and the lack of a distress call in my mind points to terrorism. Any mechanical issue or fire in the cargo hold would leave some time for a distress call. Whatever happened occurred suddenly and instantly.

Jan Jasinski 03-08-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1:200Freak (Post 1094041)
There was no wreckage found for AF 447 immediately. And an explosion does not necessarily mean it would go into millions of pieces.

Yea but they know the apprx locaton of the crash with FR's exceptional coverage. I'm certain this was terrorism.

Big Al 03-08-2014 06:44 PM

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I hope this is not terrorism and I also hope it wasn't a rehearsal for something more sinister on what might be considered an easy target. The stolen passports issue will surely ring some alarm bells. But in the meantime, my sincere condolences to those lost in tragic circumstances, whatever they may have been.

Mike777 03-08-2014 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jan Jasinski (Post 1094048)
I'm certain this was terrorism.

Oh really??? And how do you know this? Are you part of the investigation team? Or did you plot the attack yourself? :rolleyes:

What an idiotic statement. Stop the conjecture and speculation. Too early to conclude anything for certain.

CathayPacific 03-08-2014 07:38 PM

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Just because there was no emergency call doesn't rule out a fire and limit this to terrorism.

truss20 03-08-2014 08:05 PM

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Sadly, all signs here point to a terrorist attack.

It coincides with the train station massacre a week ago in Xinjiang where 20 knife-wielding psychopaths stabbed 33 people to death. The muslim separatists were responsible for that attack, as they are seeking equitable treatment from the Gov't.

With Malaysia being a muslim country, and the plane carrying over 130 Chinese on board bound for the capital Beijing, it would send a huge statement to the Chinese gov't that they should be taken seriously.

Disgusting if it is true.

MD-11Flyer 03-08-2014 09:18 PM

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Yes there were people with stolen passports but that dosent mean it was terrorism. there are a ton of things that could have gone wrong. we need a crash site before we can determine anything, so lets hope and pray that the wreckage is found.
Another thing; if it was a terrorist wouldnt someone have claimed it? it was over 24hrs ago, so this seems odd to me

aritrixa 03-08-2014 09:31 PM

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Up to the very moment, we can only speculate what was happening on MH370. Terrorist attack: possible. Bomb: might be. Electronic malfunction: possible. Structural failure is also a possibility.

With regard to "Mayday" call, it shows a possibility that the fatal disaster happened very sudden or the crew were busy to rectify the problem that occurred that night and forgot to do communication.

It might not related to the current incident, 9M-MRO experienced an on-ground collision with A340 China Eastern in Pudong that caused the substantial damage on its wingtip, as recorded on:
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571

Anyone works for Boeing in this forum? Please let me ask you a question:
How much G-Force is needed to activate the emergency locator beacon signal (ELT)?

MrMD11 03-09-2014 12:01 AM

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Here is a question I have for anyone in the know:

Do the Malaysia 777s' have a datalink that sends the aircraft's performance during flight to the airline's maintenance/technical center? Is this a standard feature on all 777s'? I know that Continental/United has this on there 777s'.


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