Since the beginning, I doubt the theory that explain the aircraft had a 180 degree turn and heading west.
Doing a search in Malacca Straits or even further Andaman Sea, is the same with agreeing that the aircraft flying dark without transponder crossing the Malaysia Peninsula. Crossing the peninsula may need 15-20 minutes before reaching Malacca Straits or Northern Sumatera, and then Andaman Sea.
It should have been captured by military radar (if the civilian radar was not able to detect it since the transponder is off), and on the western side of the peninsula, in Penang, is located the TUDM/RMAF Butterworth Air Force Base, where all the TUDM F-18s, TUDM F-5s and sometimes the P-3 RAAFs are there. But, the military radar missed this plane. Something went wrong.
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i cannot understand why something as important as the transponder can simply be turned off with the flick of a switch!
I am a bit baffled as well. You think that this would be automatically controlled by the plane's computer (no human intervention required), once the plane was airborne the transponder 'switch is turned' on by the onboard computer and remains on (nobody on board can overide it manually to turn it 'off') until the plane touches down at it's destination airport. Can someone explain why this would NOT be feasible? Thank you, T7
there has to be human involvement, I'd think - to change the code . no?
Yeah, I agree with you on 'changing the code' part by the pilots. But, having a feature on the plane's computer that will ensure that the transponder will never be turned off during it's flight.
Don't know if this was shared on the DAC? This is interesting:
Crowdsourcing volunteers comb satellite photos for Malaysia Airlines jet
You -- the person now reading this story -- can help experts solve the mystery of what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which disappeared over the open sea.
In fact, thousands of aspiring good Samaritans are volunteering their time to scour part of the plane's search zone using detailed satellite images posted online by DigitalGlobe, a Colorado firm that owns one of the world's most advanced commercial satellite networks.
So many volunteers have joined the effort that the firm's website -- with its pinpoint pictures of everything floating in the ocean -- has crashed.
It is a busy week for "crowdsourcing," the Internet phenomenon where information is gathered from John and Jane Q. Public -- people like you -- and from your social media postings.
"This is a real needle-in-the-haystack problem, except the haystack is in the middle of the ocean," Luke Barrington of DigitalGlobe told CNN affiliate KMGH. "I will ask you to mark anything that looks interesting, any signs of wreckage or life rafts."
DigitalGlobe's satellite photos taken 400 miles above the Gulf of Thailand can capture a detail as small as a home plate. The challenge is finding the manpower to scour 1,235 square miles of such images on one of DigitalGlobe's websites, Tomnod.com -- with more pictures to be posted this week from satellites above the Strait of Malacca, said Abby Van Uum, an Edelman publicist retained by DigitalGlobe.
That's where crowdsourcing comes in.
"In many cases, the areas covered are so large, or the things we're looking for are so hard to find, that without the help of hundreds of thousands of people online, we'd never be able to find them," Barrington said.
One volunteer, Mike Seberger, 43, found a fascinating image in a matter of minutes: the silhouette in the ocean has the scale of a Boeing 777-200, the same model of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.
His discovery can be seen on his CNN iReport page, which is also a form of crowdsourcing used by CNN.
DigitalGlobe and tomrod.com offer their satellite photos of ocean in crowdsourcing effort.
"At first, I skipped past it, thinking, 'Nah. No way I would find anything that quickly,' " Seberger told CNN on Tuesday. "But then I kept scrolling back to it and thinking to myself, 'It does resemble a plane....'
"I played with the zoom on my browser a bit, and took a screenshot at 200%, which is what I uploaded" to CNN iReport, said Seberger, a manager of information technology in the Chicago area.
But Seberger does have his doubts: "Looking at it objectively, the shape of 'my' object appears plane-like and the dimensions are consistent with a 777-200. That said, I feel it is more likely to be a boat."
DigitalGlobe and the Tomnod.com website officials have yet to respond to his flagging of the curious image. "Their site is getting slammed, apparently, because about half the time that I try to access it, I get an error page, and sometimes even though I log in, no map loads," Seberger said Tuesday. "The site got slammed like healthcare.gov."
Company officials weren't available to respond to CNN's requests for a comment Tuesday.
In response to the Malaysia Airlines plane's disappearance, DigitalGlobe activated its subscription service to emergency managers, which provides online access to satellite images before and after the incident, the firm said on its website. The photos are used for emergency response, damage assessment and recovery.
The company performed a similar "global crowdsourcing campaign" in November's Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines, allowing volunteers to tag online more than 60,000 objects of interest from satellite photos. The information was forwarded to emergency responders, the firm said.
The firm also tracked damage last year in the Moore, Oklahoma, tornado and the Colorado floods. In another case, the satellite imagery also helped locate the remains of two missing hikers in Peru, the affiliate reported.
The firm, based in Longmont, also uses geospatial big data, which is "information and insight taken from imagery and derived from various sources such as social media," the firm said.
The company used the technology in satellite images of the recent Sochi Olympics in Russia and cross-referenced the photos with social media data "to analyze overall activity, linguistic composition and mood for people around Sochi," the firm said.
Is there a DAC Mod that can pull the two Malaysia 777 missing threads together. On most forums this would have happened by now.
Yes, that would be most appreciated. But, I thought the DAC Mod was unable to perform moderator duties, due to an unfortunate health situation. Was there a backup assigned?
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I understand Romeo Oscar was scheduled to do MH370/371 KUL-PEK-KUL the previous day but these were canceled and she spent the day on the ground at KUL.
I'd love to know what the issue was - must have been fairly serious to cx the flight because Romeo Oscar went tech?
Good info, TOGA!
Yep, that might be a serious issue on Rome Oscar. Mind to share the source of info?
As for the antennas:
I believe there are anttenas on 9M-MRO, but I am not sure whether they are SATCOMs antennas, or VHFs, etc. Would any of you enlighten me, please
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Doesn't make sense, as I believe the relatives tried to call after when the fuel would have ran out.
Also, if they did pass out from decompression and the autopilot is engaged, wouldn't they have flown over Vietnam and have records of the aircraft over their airspace?
Doesn't make sense, as I believe the relatives tried to call after when the fuel would have ran out.
Also, if they did pass out from decompression and the autopilot is engaged, wouldn't they have flown over Vietnam and have records of the aircraft over their airspace?
I believe the aircraft made a turn after "the event" and began to descend.
All the signs fit a pressurisation issue followed by crew hypoxic incapacitation - BUT the transponders and comms going dark. That's an issue.
Cabin depressurisation event that knocks out the antennas for radio/transponders/ACARS comms?
That's where I was back at reply148 - hypoxia or incapacitation due to smoke makes sense, but the same initiating event needs to knock out the transponder.
It should have been captured by military radar (if the civilian radar was not able to detect it since the transponder is off), and on the western side of the peninsula, in Penang, is located the TUDM/RMAF Butterworth Air Force Base, where all the TUDM F-18s, TUDM F-5s and sometimes the P-3 RAAFs are there. But, the military radar missed this plane. Something went wrong.
The whole story that the Malaysians can't keep straight, about the turn back to the Strait, seems to be based on picking up something from that military radar. Maybe there are different radar signatures from that night that they are having trouble definitely identifying.
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Doesn't make sense, as I believe the relatives tried to call after when the fuel would have ran out.
Relatives calling and getting ring tones may not be a sign of anything.
What else can possibly cause all the electronics out?
Ram Air Turbine malfunctioned?
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I believe the aircraft made a turn after "the event" and began to descend.
All the signs fit a pressurisation issue followed by crew hypoxic incapacitation - BUT the transponders and comms going dark. That's an issue.
Cabin depressurisation event that knocks out the antennas for radio/transponders/ACARS comms?
It fits.
So, the last ditch effort by the pilot was to disengage the autopilot, maybe try to get to a lower altitude and return to KL, but passes out before he could fit his own oxygen mask on.
With the AP disengaged, how could it remain in the air for more than an hour (I think). And if they were able to get to a lower altitude couldn't the crew and passenger have recovered...or would it take a bit longer to recover?
Guess it could happen, considering it happened to that one golfer (and I forget his name) and his plane eventually crashed after running out of fuel.
All the speculation about the SATCOM and AD being issued on the 777 still does not work out considering posts 161 and 163 above. That being said, there are now stories and purported messages from an oil rig worker who claims to have seen an aircraft on fire at about the right time and location as MH370's disappearance. To make matters even worse the Malaysian authorities seem really disorganized and confused on what to do. They should encourage (assuming they are) other countries to take the lead in the investigation and make use of more sophisticated resources.
As an aside, in 1994 I was INVITED into the cockpit for takeoff from Narita to KL on a MH 744 (I was in the upper deck and was the first one back on the plane after a stop at Narita). It was quite the shock and pleasure to be a part of this. Further, during the flight another passenger and I were allowed to sit in the cockpit for an hour and chat with the captain and first officer as we flew over the Philippines. We came back in for the landing at KL. I enjoyed this so much that I invited myself back in for the return flight on a MH 744 from KL to Narita. I was there for takeoff and a hands-free landing at Narita as the pilots showed off the skills of the 744... This was 1994 - times were different BUT in retrospect the pilots didn't know me from a hole in the wall. I had no business being in there. It was a life-long memory for me, but probably not great judgement from the flight crew. Yet we now read about the first officer doing just this again with passengers on a more recent MH flight... Assuming no passengers were in the cockpit on MH370, MH still needs to have a serious look at what their flight crews are allowing...
As an aside, in 1994 I was INVITED into the cockpit for takeoff from Narita to KL on a MH 744 (I was in the upper deck and was the first one back on the plane after a stop at Narita). It was quite the shock and pleasure to be a part of this. Further, during the flight another passenger and I were allowed to sit in the cockpit for an hour and chat with the captain and first officer as we flew over the Philippines. We came back in for the landing at KL. I enjoyed this so much that I invited myself back in for the return flight on a MH 744 from KL to Narita. I was there for takeoff and a hands-free landing at Narita as the pilots showed off the skills of the 744... This was 1994 - times were different BUT in retrospect the pilots didn't know me from a hole in the wall. I had no business being in there. It was a life-long memory for me, but probably not great judgement from the flight crew. Yet we now read about the first officer doing just this again with passengers on a more recent MH flight... Assuming no passengers were in the cockpit on MH370, MH still needs to have a serious look at what their flight crews are allowing...
That was actually fairly common back in the day - especially for First and Business Class passengers in the Far East. My father used to torture me when he would return from Business Trips to HK and other locations, telling me about multiple rides in the cockpit on approach and departure from Kai Tak. He told me he would take me - never got around to it. But especially on Cathay - he would send his business card up to the flight deck via a FA, and would invariably be invited up for takeoff and/or landing.
That was actually fairly common back in the day - especially for First and Business Class passengers in the Far East. My father used to torture me when he would return from Business Trips to HK and other locations, telling me about multiple rides in the cockpit on approach and departure from Kai Tak. He told me he would take me - never got around to it. But especially on Cathay - he would send his business card up to the flight deck via a FA, and would invariably be invited up for takeoff and/or landing.
Interesting... I remember asking the captain if it was okay. His response was "we're not in the United States. We can invite whoever we want into the cockpit". Who was I to refuse? I took video of the landing in Narita with the hands-off touchdown. The flight crew thought it was great that I recorded it. I was even allowed to listen into ATC from the jump seat. It was an amazing experience that I'll always remember.
As an aside, in 1994 I was INVITED into the cockpit for takeoff from Narita to KL on a MH 744 (I was in the upper deck and was the first one back on the plane after a stop at Narita). It was quite the shock and pleasure to be a part of this. Further, during the flight another passenger and I were allowed to sit in the cockpit for an hour and chat with the captain and first officer as we flew over the Philippines. We came back in for the landing at KL. I enjoyed this so much that I invited myself back in for the return flight on a MH 744 from KL to Narita. I was there for takeoff and a hands-free landing at Narita as the pilots showed off the skills of the 744... This was 1994 - times were different BUT in retrospect the pilots didn't know me from a hole in the wall. I had no business being in there. It was a life-long memory for me, but probably not great judgement from the flight crew. Yet we now read about the first officer doing just this again with passengers on a more recent MH flight... Assuming no passengers were in the cockpit on MH370, MH still needs to have a serious look at what their flight crews are allowing...
Interesting read, The guy who reported this seems to have a good sense of direction and know what hes talking about, Hes nailed just about everything needed to find it within a metre.
I hope they are looking this up fast.
I think it makes sense to be where the oil rig reporter says it is,
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Don't even try bro! Just like Janek is the authority on how to rip others photos off, I am the authority on how to get banned on this site!
Wow so you're actually still jealous that I am a highly skilled photographer. Yes, it is possible that someone younger than you can be so much better. I don't even know how it came to people assuming I was stealing anything.
Wow so you're actually still jealous that I am a highly skilled photographer. Yes, it is possible that someone younger than you can be so much better. I don't even know how it came to people assuming I was stealing anything.
Enough already - let it go guys... This is a thread about a tragedy, not about petty arguments and name calling.
I don't even know how it came to people assuming I was stealing anything.
Maybe because you posted a thread with a bunch of pictures you claimed were yours, then someone else posted a link to the real photographer's website which contained a portfolio full of the very same pics? Yeah, we remember.
Wow so you're actually still jealous that I am a highly skilled photographer. Yes, it is possible that someone younger than you can be so much better. I don't even know how it came to people assuming I was stealing anything.
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Maybe because you posted a thread with a bunch of pictures you claimed were yours, then someone else posted a link to the real photographer's website which contained a portfolio full of the very same pics? Yeah, we remember.
That was a real gem of a thread. Need to find that one again.
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Maybe because you posted a thread with a bunch of pictures you claimed were yours, then someone else posted a link to the real photographer's website which contained a portfolio full of the very same pics? Yeah, we remember.
No, it was a website called WIX.com which gave templates and you were supposed to replace it with your own photos. That's what it was, and I linked that template with my photos, and then someone found that template and linked it. Don't know how you still don't believe this even with all of MY photos across the net, and proof of me taking them
Hmmm. Another turn of events. China has just released sat images of possible wreckage parts. Images were shot last sunday, and from the position/coordinates of the images of the parts - roughly the same area where the plane had lost contact with the world. I guess Chinese officials wanted to make sure this was possibly the real deal; that's why the 4 day delay? But, I think they should have stepped up and informed Search parties about the area/location last sunday (so what if it was a false alarm, at least they would be there to see it for themselves and not grainy images from photos); man, 4 day delay = is not good; possible crash evidence could have floated away even further.
My spidey sense was tingling last night, I couldn't sleep. I got a sneaky suspicion that a major activity is brewing at the seas (both sites - Andaman Sea and South China Sea). Also, I received couple of heads up (body bags needed) from my mates who are actively involved in the Search and Rescue operation, which affirms my late night thought. That said though, I am still praying and hoping for the best (call me optimistic)..
Here's a nice info graphic from WP that explains the theory of MH370's diversion to the west.
My spidey sense was tingling last night, I couldn't sleep. I got a sneaky suspicion that a major activity is brewing at the seas (both sites - Andaman Sea and South China Sea). Also, I received couple of heads up (body bags needed) from my mates who are actively involved in the Search and Rescue operation, which affirms my late night thought. That said though, I am still praying and hoping for the best (call me optimistic)..
Here's a nice info graphic from WP that explains the theory of MH370's diversion to the west.
Interesting... Do you think your contacts are holding back and/or not allowed to tell what they know? With all of the conflicting information out there it still sounds likely that someone took over the aircraft for some very sinister or demented reason. What a horrific tragedy.
Hmmm. Another turn of events. China has just released sat images of possible wreckage parts. Images were shot last sunday, and from the position/coordinates of the images of the parts - roughly the same area where the plane had lost contact with the world. I guess Chinese officials wanted to make sure this was possibly the real deal; that's why the 4 day delay? But, I think they should have stepped up and informed Search parties about the area/location last sunday (so what if it was a false alarm, at least they would be there to see it for themselves and not grainy images from photos); man, 4 day delay = is not good; possible crash evidence could have floated away even further.
Also saw that this morning in the news. Curious about the 4 days delay.
As they strongly emphasize that each hour is crucial after an aviation accident; a 96 hour delay is just so wrong in every possible way. The sat image location also coincides with the New Zealand gentleman working on the Oil Rig platform in the Gulf of Thailand. He stated he saw flames in the sky that night at around the same time communication was lost with MAS 370 .
Can someone explain/answer why the 'transponder' can't be built in a way so it can't be 'manually' disabled during flight? I could be wrong here, but having that transponder always on (when airborne), until external forces/events damage the thing... could help investigators pin-point last known location of the missing plane. Unlike the massive area that they've been combing through the last 4 days, and as illustrated above by ascari's illustrative post.
I mean here you have a $300+million dollar aircraft with state of the art aviation technology; but then all it takes is a simple flick of a switch (turn to 'off' position) for the transponder and now the plane has become 'stealth/unable to detect' to the Search parties (plane and sea).
Also saw that this morning in the news. Curious about the 4 days delay.
The Chinese did not want to reveal their satellite spying capabilities. I'm sure they were hoping the search would find the plane before they had to play their hand with the photos.
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