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JeffinMass 02-14-2013 10:09 AM

Airbus Firms AA's Order
 
From 'Flightglobal' today....

Airbus restores large American order to firm backlog
Airbus has logged an order for 130 A321neo twinjets from American Airlines,
reinstating the carrier to its books after deliberately removing a similar firm deal in 2011.
American's entry into Chapter 11 creditor protection prompted Airbus to demote
a 130-aircraft firm order, signed in July 2011, to the status of a commitment.
The agreement was part of a 260-jet order for Airbus of which half was allocated to the A321neo.
But Airbus's latest order backlog shows that 130 firm A321neo jets were assigned to American on 23 January 2013.

GARUDA747 02-14-2013 07:05 PM

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American Airlines goes european? That will help boost the U.S economy

IranAir4Ever 02-14-2013 07:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GARUDA747 (Post 1012670)
American Airlines goes european? That will help boost the U.S economy

My exact thoughts, If I owned an American airline, I would only buy Boeing. Not that Airbus does't have a great product, it just doesn't seem right to do that when you have such a great option at home.

shandaken 02-14-2013 10:14 PM

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They have sold their souls to the devil.

lanceb 02-14-2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IranAir4Ever (Post 1012674)
My exact thoughts, If I owned an American airline, I would only buy Boeing. Not that Airbus does't have a great product, it just doesn't seem right to do that when you have such a great option at home.

Why? They are a business. If the A320 is what they need, they should be allowed to buy it.

This is why the American market and dollar is falling behind because this mentality.

flyAmerican 02-14-2013 10:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lanceb (Post 1012712)
Why? They are a business. If the A320 is what they need, they should be allowed to buy it.

This is why the American market and dollar is falling behind because this mentality.

Exactly my thoughts. You have a corporation, it's in the sh***er, you're going to do whatever you feel is necessary to get your business back up. If it means buying Airbus over Boeing or Boeing over Embraer, you're goint to do it no questions ask because you can! I'll get a lot of heat for this, but at the end of the day, a plane is a plane, both- 737 and A32S aircraft carry between 130-180 in mixed configuration, they'll carry people all the same, maybe some more efficient than others, but that's the challenge of the airline game!

I'm a Boeing boy by heart, I love American Airlines, I plan on flying for them in the future, and I am happy for them because this move is one of many complicated, strategic phases to ensure the profitability of the airline in the future.

IranAir4Ever 02-14-2013 10:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lanceb (Post 1012712)
Why? They are a business. If the A320 is what they need, they should be allowed to buy it.

This is why the American market and dollar is falling behind because this mentality.


I think the American dollar is failing because every company is going for the cheapest thing they can get their hands on and it's all coming from other countries. Not whats best for the country as a whole. I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to buy them either, just stating it is somewhat a stab in the back to the county who the airline is named after.

tREv d. 02-15-2013 12:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GARUDA747 (Post 1012670)
American Airlines goes european? That will help boost the U.S economy

Some components of the Airbus A320 are USA products (CFM engines), not to mention the fact that Airbus is building a final assembly line for the A320 family in Alabama which will be dedicated to producing aircraft for the North American market. This CREATES jobs.

Ordering more 737s isn't going to create jobs as drastically as this. It's just going to secure the jobs of the people who already make them. Not to mention the 737 is like the A320 in that not all parts are built in home country. ;)

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Originally Posted by IranAir4Ever (Post 1012716)
I think the American dollar is failing because every company is going for the cheapest thing they can get their hands on and it's all coming from other countries. Not whats best for the country as a whole. I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to buy them either, just stating it is somewhat a stab in the back to the county who the airline is named after.

American is not one of those companies. They didn't pick the A320 because it was "cheaper" then the 737. They need more aircraft than one manufacturer can handle and both products are equally appealing. Playing the 2 companies against eachother got American a discount from both manufactures aswell.

There are lots of strategies involved in this order, and to say it's a back hand to the economy is incorrect imo.

9Y-ISA 02-15-2013 01:16 PM

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We as enthusiast can easily get upset when hearing American Airlines buys that much airbus but one thing for sure is that when an airline places an order for that much aircrafts many research was done to make that decision. Studies on performance/cost index/economical/route analysis/crew intial and recurrent training to name a few is what airlines invest time and money on, hoping to get back to a more stable ground and into the profit margins. For an airline who was operating B737 ng for awhile and now places a large order for the main competitor, the Airbus A32X tells you something. What we will never know, unless American Airlines will publicly announce, is that many deals can be attached to this contract especially an order that is so large. This can be anything from Airbus offering American free intial pilot training, maintenance/engineering training, spares station, etc. Deals like these are usually kept hush hush because as a manufacture, you just can't offer this to all airlines who places orders with them.

JeffinMass 02-15-2013 03:41 PM

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Sometimes it's good not to put all your eggs in one basket.

Prestwick Pioneer 02-15-2013 04:51 PM

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When you take it all into account, about 40% of an Airbus narrowbody is of US origin anyway. Also, how would Boeing manage to produce all these a/c for AA with their current backlog. That is why AA have bought from BOTH manufacturers for their narrowbody needs. If they order 320's they may get built in Brookley, Alabama anyway.
Were people bleating when AA had One-Eleven's? They had A306's too.
It is not just good deals. It takes both manufacturers to build the a/c required. Anyway, post merger AA now has a substantial fleet of Airbus' from US.
How does Airbus not have a great product? WTF?

JeffinMass 02-15-2013 04:58 PM

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With all the BS aside....Both Airbus and Boeing have an excellent product. Airbus' marketing department has done a great job letting everyone know that Airbus has decided NOT to use the lithium batteries on their A350s. They decided this because of the issues with the B787 and that they would have to go through further scrutiny with lithiums by the governments plus it would delay their A350 release which is already delayed. Smart move Airbus!

Mystère 02-15-2013 05:43 PM

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Why most US people have issues with this is beyond me. 1°) as Prestwick Pioneer pointed out it's not the first time AA is ordering Airbus, 2°) following their logic a country having its own airliner industry should NOT order any Boeing : that would be quite entertaining to see...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JeffinMass (Post 1012865)
They decided this because of the issues with the B787 and that they would have to go through further scrutiny with lithiums by the governments plus it would delay their A350 release which is already delayed. Smart move Airbus!

And as a side-effect it puts even more doubt on Li batteries, ie troubles for the 787. Not that I'm glad of these troubles, people working hard on this program deserve better.:(

CathayPacific 02-15-2013 06:11 PM

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Considering that AA also bought 737MAXs and 737NG and 77Ws and basically Boeing everything over the years, one order (despite it being a large one) isn't the end of the world. Also as big of a Boeing fan that I am, the A320NEO series seems to statistacally be better than the MAX anyway.

IranAir4Ever 02-15-2013 06:13 PM

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On a side note, did American firm up the orders for the 737MAX?

tREv d. 02-15-2013 11:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IranAir4Ever (Post 1012887)
On a side note, did American firm up the orders for the 737MAX?

They sure did. AA is on it's way to having the youngest fleet in NA.

MrMD11 02-15-2013 11:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lanceb (Post 1012712)
Why? They are a business. If the A320 is what they need, they should be allowed to buy it.

This is why the American market and dollar is falling behind because this mentality.

Pretty asinine statement, mate !

The US dollar is falling because my country has decided that we are better off with more Americans on disability, EBT cards, free healthcare, Social Security, Medicare, student-loans, public housing and free cell phones and will continue to sell U.S. Treasury bonds and print money to order to finance these programs - not because Americans are upset over AA purchasing from Airbus !

Big Al 02-16-2013 07:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IranAir4Ever (Post 1012674)
My exact thoughts, If I owned an American airline, I would only buy Boeing. Not that Airbus does't have a great product, it just doesn't seem right to do that when you have such a great option at home.

It's a global market place out there. If the US was designed to only trade with itself you'd live on a seperate planet called Planet USA. Airbus also provides direct competition to Boeing, allowing airlines to play them off each other for the best deals. Boeing wiped out it's own competition in the US when it purchased McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed as we know, quit the civil airliner market altogether.

As others have pointed out, aircraft manufacture is not as regionalised as it once was and Airbus products will be made in the USA as well as elsewhere, therefore supporting US jobs at home. The Boeing 787 is a current example of a Boeing's own attempt at global outsourcing, albeit not necessarily the best example, but then again, where is the Boeing asembly plant in Europe ?

B2707300SST 02-21-2013 02:58 PM

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It's a cut throat industry - in every business sector. AA's bottom line with the bus will generate a sharper revenue per seat mile. It's nothing personal; just cold dollars and cents. The name of the game is every man and woman for themselves. Loyalty went out the window long ago.

As an American, yes, the loss of such a huge order to Airbus is a disappointment, further aggravated by a horrendous scheme.

Prestwick Pioneer 02-21-2013 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 1012972)
Where is the Boeing asembly plant in Europe ?

Good question, and Airbus challenged Boeing to do this when they anounced Mobile. Hopefully it will be at Prestwick.

JeffinMass 02-21-2013 08:08 PM

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I think that AA ordered Airbus because Boeing couldn't supply them with what they needed in time.
I think that AA ordered Boeing because Airbus couldn't supply them with what they
needed in time. So, AA split the order, however, AA also ordered 42 B787s.
Boeing's manufacturing plants are worldwide. Their assembly plants are the one's that are in the United States.
Why should Boeing build a plant overseas, because Airbus did in the US? It would not surprise me if they did. They also have a plant in China don't they?

Thomas32125 02-21-2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffinMass (Post 1014127)
They also have a plant in China don't they?

No, they don't.. Boeing Commercial Airplane's plants are:

Long Beach, California (McDonnell Douglas aircraft assembly and testing, currently supports Boeing Commercial Airplanes)
Seattle-Boeing Field, Washington (Flight testing for Boeing aircraft except McDonnell Douglas-designed aircraft)
Seattle-Everett, Washington (747, 767, 777, and 787 Dreamliner)
Seattle-Renton, Washington (737 and former 707, 727 and 757)
North Charleston, South Carolina (787 Dreamliner subassemblies and final assembly plant)
San Antonio, Texas

McDonnell Douglas had a plant in China and produced licensed MD-80 there. They burned their fingers as COMAC used parts of the MD-80 plant to built China's first "own" regional jet airplane: The ARJ-21..
Boeing might not want to see a Chinese copy of the Dreamliner in long-term..

Here a picture of the ARJ-21

JeffinMass 02-21-2013 08:47 PM

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Thomas32125....I know you. Get back to work (lol). Thank you for the info. I think Long Beach also produces the C-17.

AnonCollector 02-21-2013 09:39 PM

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variations in the price of the dollar over the last few years have pretty much nothing to do with the factors being discussed in this topic.

keep in mind that policymakers in most every country *want* their currency to be cheaper. it's a way to boost exports. policymakers complain if they think somebody else's currency is too cheap - look at the constant whining about China.

and a company that makes big purchase decisions for some emotional reason, is a company that's going to go out of business. American should consider the product, the price, and the schedule of availability when deciding what plane to order. It absolutely should not care whether the manufacturer is "American" or "European". I'm using quotes there because, so much of the 787 is designed or built outside the US anyway (though this topic isn't about the 787). It's a global market with global companies. It's well past time to stop thinking about big businesses in some sort of patriotic way. Big businesses exist only to make money for shareholders, not to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

AnonCollector 02-21-2013 09:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas32125 (Post 1014134)
They burned their fingers as COMAC used parts of the MD-80 plant to built China's first "own" regional jet airplane: The ARJ-21..

once the Chinese get their hands on some technology, they just take it. they aren't going to start caring about intellectual property until they have some IP worth protecting of their own. Then they'll understand.

B2707300SST 02-21-2013 11:07 PM

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Donald Douglas must be turning in his grave at the Frankenstein-ish ARJ21.

Big Al 02-22-2013 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Prestwick Pioneer (Post 1014123)
Good question, and Airbus challenged Boeing to do this when they anounced Mobile. Hopefully it will be at Prestwick.

That would be an excellent and obvious choice, now you mention it. Was down there yesterday marvelling at all the open space and current aviation sector industries all over the site. Aren't PIK based Spirit Aerospace involved in 787 parts production ?

Prestwick Pioneer 02-22-2013 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 1014227)
That would be an excellent and obvious choice, now you mention it. Was down there yesterday marvelling at all the open space and current aviation sector industries all over the site. Aren't PIK based Spirit Aerospace involved in 787 parts production ?

Yes they are, not just for the 787 either, I am sure they do other stuff too. I wouldnt touch the current facilities either, would build it alongside rwy03/21. My idea would be to move the Brabazon hangar to Prestwick too. Sounds daft but its not. Historic building along with The Palace (which was also moved to PIK) and would create jobs while not requiring new resources. Move it from Avonmouth by barge too. Green etc. Not happy at things on the SAL site. BAe are cutting a hole in a hangar door at my old hangar. Er hello?? The hangar door OPENS you ****ers. That is the pioneer Hangar. Also, the Brit Hangar (Building 38) is large enough for A321 but for some reason, the doors are welded shut and a logistics company are using it. There has been a bit too much short sightedness. But yes I am totally right.

MrMD11 02-23-2013 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Prestwick Pioneer (Post 1014123)
Good question, and Airbus challenged Boeing to do this when they anounced Mobile. Hopefully it will be at Prestwick.

And why would Boeing build a plant in Europe for a USAF tanker?

Big Al 02-24-2013 08:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1014611)
And why would Boeing build a plant in Europe for a USAF tanker?

No idea, but a 737 production line at Prestwick would sure cut down on delivery flight times to Ryanair...LOL

Prestwick Pioneer 02-24-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1014611)
And why would Boeing build a plant in Europe for a USAF tanker?

Where did anyone say that? I was referring to Boeing narowbody, and what Airbus' CEO said. What has military aircraft got to do with this?

Prestwick Pioneer 02-24-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 1014674)
No idea, but a 737 production line at Prestwick would sure cut down on delivery flight times to Ryanair...LOL

Could go straight from a BOE hangar into a RYR hangar!

MrMD11 02-24-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Prestwick Pioneer (Post 1014716)
Where did anyone say that? I was referring to Boeing narowbody, and what Airbus' CEO said. What has military aircraft got to do with this?

When did Airbus suggest it would build a narrow-body plant in the United States? Could you provide a source please?

MrMD11 02-24-2013 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 1014674)
No idea, but a 737 production line at Prestwick would sure cut down on delivery flight times to Ryanair...LOL

Why would Boeing build a plant anywhere in Europe and have to deal with European work-rules?

JeffinMass 02-25-2013 06:24 AM

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MrMD11....Airbus announced this in the middle of last year. Here is an excerpt from their own website. That's why the "forums" are wondering if Boeing will eventually build a factory in countries other than the United States.

Airbus in the U.S.

A major presence in one of the world's key markets


http://www.airbus.com/typo3temp/pics/512948f4d8.png
With over 1,100 Airbus jetliners flying in the fleets of U.S. and Canadian airlines today, there is an operator in North America for nearly every model of the company’s modern, efficient product line. Overall, more than 3,200 Airbus aircraft have been ordered in North America from customers that include Delta, FedEx, Frontier Airlines, GECAS, Hawaiian Airlines, ILFC, jetBlue Airways, Spirit Airlines, United Airlines, UPS, US Airways and Virgin America.
For the production of its jetliners, Airbus spends 42 percent of its aircraft-related procurement in the U.S. – buying more parts, components, tooling and other material from the United States than any other country. Workers in more than 40 states help build Airbus aircraft, supporting 210,000 high-quality manufacturing jobs across the U.S. Airbus’ first U.S. production facility – to be located at the Brookley Aeroplex in Mobile, Alabama – is planned for operation beginning in 2015, with this new site to perform final assembly of A319s, A320s and A321s.

Big Al 02-25-2013 06:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1014802)
Why would Boeing build a plant anywhere in Europe and have to deal with European work-rules?

Yeah, why can't they just be allowed to open a plant overseas under US industrial regulations...? :rolleyes:

A European plant would operate under European or EU regulations, same as a US based plant would operate US regulations, and a Brazilian plant would operate under Brazilian regulations, etc etc. Plenty of large US companies have business presence in Europe. LOL

Big Al 02-25-2013 06:38 AM

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Given the huge amount of 737MAX orders being generated from all over the world right now, it would certainly be worth considering a foreign manufacturing base. I'm not saying they need to, but as mentioned it's a global market these days. If Boeing can secure a favourable deal somewhere then why not ?

MrMD11 02-26-2013 08:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffinMass (Post 1014847)
MrMD11....Airbus announced this in the middle of last year. Here is an excerpt from their own website. That's why the "forums" are wondering if Boeing will eventually build a factory in countries other than the United States.

Airbus in the U.S.

A major presence in one of the world's key markets


http://www.airbus.com/typo3temp/pics/512948f4d8.png
With over 1,100 Airbus jetliners flying in the fleets of U.S. and Canadian airlines today, there is an operator in North America for nearly every model of the company’s modern, efficient product line. Overall, more than 3,200 Airbus aircraft have been ordered in North America from customers that include Delta, FedEx, Frontier Airlines, GECAS, Hawaiian Airlines, ILFC, jetBlue Airways, Spirit Airlines, United Airlines, UPS, US Airways and Virgin America.
For the production of its jetliners, Airbus spends 42 percent of its aircraft-related procurement in the U.S. – buying more parts, components, tooling and other material from the United States than any other country. Workers in more than 40 states help build Airbus aircraft, supporting 210,000 high-quality manufacturing jobs across the U.S. Airbus’ first U.S. production facility – to be located at the Brookley Aeroplex in Mobile, Alabama – is planned for operation beginning in 2015, with this new site to perform final assembly of A319s, A320s and A321s.

This is what EADS proposed with the tanker bid. I'll believe it when I see it.

MrMD11 02-26-2013 08:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 1014852)
Yeah, why can't they just be allowed to open a plant overseas under US industrial regulations...? :rolleyes:

A European plant would operate under European or EU regulations, same as a US based plant would operate US regulations, and a Brazilian plant would operate under Brazilian regulations, etc etc. Plenty of large US companies have business presence in Europe. LOL

Show me those 'right to work' areas in Europe where assembly workers are not required to join a labor union - you know, those pain-in-the-*** labor unions over in France and Italy and other European nations who like to strike every other month?

And you will notice that Airbus is proposing a final-assembly line for the A320-series in Alabama - a right-to-work-state.

Why would Boeing move any assembly work over to Europe when they can simply move or introduce new work to a right-to-work state here in the U.S.?

I stand by my comment.

JeffinMass 02-26-2013 08:39 PM

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MrMD11...If "you will believe it when you see it" perhaps you will believe it even more when you read this that was released February 1, 2013.


Alabama-based Company Now Responsible for All Aspects of Facility’s Construction

Airbus today announced the selection of Hoar Program Management (HPM), an Alabama-based company, as program manager for its A320 Family assembly line in Mobile, Alabama. In this role, HPM will be responsible for managing all aspects of the design and construction of the facility, including supporting procurement of design and construction service providers and suppliers. Construction is scheduled to begin this summer.

Mystère 02-27-2013 05:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1015267)
Show me those 'right to work' areas in Europe where assembly workers are not required to join a labor union - you know, those pain-in-the-*** labor unions over in France and Italy and other European nations who like to strike every other month?

You obviously don't know s**t about Europe ! http://yelims4.free.fr/MDR/MDR84.gif It's so ridiculous that it becommes funny. Stop watching Fox News all day and educate yourself about how the world really is around you.

MrMD11 02-27-2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystère (Post 1015492)
You obviously don't know s**t about Europe ! http://yelims4.free.fr/MDR/MDR84.gif It's so ridiculous that it becommes funny. Stop watching Fox News all day and educate yourself about how the world really is around you.

tho

Now that's funny ! If I actually watched Fox News or listed to Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh I might actually get pissed by your comment, but since I don't, it's just water off a duck's back ! Thanks for showing your hand though :cool:

AnonCollector 02-27-2013 11:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1015267)
Show me those 'right to work' areas in Europe where assembly workers are not required to join a labor union - you know, those pain-in-the-*** labor unions over in France and Italy and other European nations who like to strike every other month?
.

You're painting with an awfully broad brush there. Not all Europe is like Italy and France, far from it. Germany and northern Europe are more competitive. and there's cheap places for manufacturing and assembly in Eastern Europe, though some of those countries have various drawbacks of their own.

Also, you seem obsessed with unions, when that isn't the only factor. sometimes it's not even really a factor in the way you seem to think. For example, unions have representation on the Board of Directors in German companies. and Germany is a quite successful place for business - one of the world's biggest exporters. Think about that. Clearly, just having strong unions doesn't mean a country will be a horrible place to do business.

All that said, I don't see any strong reason for Boeing to put an assembly plant in Europe anytime soon. not because it's horrible to put a plant anywhere in Europe, but because I don't see any need. what is gained? if they need more assembly lines, it should just be easier to add in Washington or Carolina.

Prestwick Pioneer 02-28-2013 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1015266)
This is what EADS proposed with the tanker bid. I'll believe it when I see it.

What is it that you don't understand here? Airbus are breaking ground at Brookley Field, Alabama (The old C-74 base) on their facility. It is an A320 Final Assembly Line. Its got sweet FA to do with the KC-45 bid. The first aircraft built here will go to a US domestic airline. Maybe Virgin America, maybe AA, maybe Jet Blue. Go to Mobile and see then you can believe it. And enough with the ill informed remarks about Europe. Spirit Aerostructures already build chunks of 787 bits at Prestwick. It would make sense to open a FAL in Europe, as demand goes up, they will need somewhere else.
From the manufacturer:
Alabama| Airbus, a leading aircraft manufacturer
Photo gallery| Airbus, a leading aircraft manufacturer
Quotes| Airbus, a leading aircraft manufacturer

From Flight Global:
Airbus announces Mobile factory to assemble A320neos

They have chosen Mobile, because it has a harbour too and structures can be shipped there.
And its no longer a proposal, and has nothing to do with the KC-45 bid.

MrMD11 03-01-2013 12:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Prestwick Pioneer (Post 1015696)
What is it that you don't understand here? Airbus are breaking ground at Brookley Field, Alabama (The old C-74 base) on their facility. It is an A320 Final Assembly Line. Its got sweet FA to do with the KC-45 bid. The first aircraft built here will go to a US domestic airline. Maybe Virgin America, maybe AA, maybe Jet Blue. Go to Mobile and see then you can believe it. And enough with the ill informed remarks about Europe. Spirit Aerostructures already build chunks of 787 bits at Prestwick. It would make sense to open a FAL in Europe, as demand goes up, they will need somewhere else.
From the manufacturer:
Alabama| Airbus, a leading aircraft manufacturer
Photo gallery| Airbus, a leading aircraft manufacturer
Quotes| Airbus, a leading aircraft manufacturer

From Flight Global:
Airbus announces Mobile factory to assemble A320neos

They have chosen Mobile, because it has a harbour too and structures can be shipped there.
And its no longer a proposal, and has nothing to do with the KC-45 bid.

'Chunks' of an aircraft are a little different than final assembly on the 787, which has components built all over the world. And final assembly will be done in Charleston, SC - yet another right-to-work state in our country; an issue that your buddy Obama (whom Europeans seem to love to salivate over) used his National Labor Relations Board to stop.

I stand by my original comment on Europe. By the way, some of the information I have received about Europe comes from the Financial Times, a source from your own backyard. Try reading it sometime.

MrMD11 03-01-2013 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AnonCollector (Post 1015579)
You're painting with an awfully broad brush there. Not all Europe is like Italy and France, far from it. Germany and northern Europe are more competitive. and there's cheap places for manufacturing and assembly in Eastern Europe, though some of those countries have various drawbacks of their own.

Also, you seem obsessed with unions, when that isn't the only factor. sometimes it's not even really a factor in the way you seem to think. For example, unions have representation on the Board of Directors in German companies. and Germany is a quite successful place for business - one of the world's biggest exporters. Think about that. Clearly, just having strong unions doesn't mean a country will be a horrible place to do business.

All that said, I don't see any strong reason for Boeing to put an assembly plant in Europe anytime soon. not because it's horrible to put a plant anywhere in Europe, but because I don't see any need. what is gained? if they need more assembly lines, it should just be easier to add in Washington or Carolina.

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MrMD11 03-01-2013 01:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystère (Post 1015492)
You obviously don't know s**t about Europe ! http://yelims4.free.fr/MDR/MDR84.gif It's so ridiculous that it becommes funny. Stop watching Fox News all day and educate yourself about how the world really is around you.

Maurice Taylor: Tycoon reveals why he WON'T be rescuing 'lazy workers' at French tyre factory doomed to closure | Mail Online

Please don't question my education on Europe, for you would be the one who is ignorant.

Have a nice day :D

Mystère 03-01-2013 05:39 AM

Re: Airbus Firms AA's Order
 
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Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1015758)
Maurice Taylor: Tycoon reveals why he WON'T be rescuing 'lazy workers' at French tyre factory doomed to closure | Mail Online

Please don't question my education on Europe, for you would be the one who is ignorant.

Have a nice day :D

Now if you prefer to believe this looney and his buddies instead of the facts, more power to you ! :rolleyes:

Prestwick Pioneer 03-01-2013 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMD11 (Post 1015755)
'Chunks' of an aircraft are a little different than final assembly on the 787, which has components built all over the world. And final assembly will be done in Charleston, SC - yet another right-to-work state in our country; an issue that your buddy Obama (whom Europeans seem to love to salivate over) used his National Labor Relations Board to stop.

I stand by my original comment on Europe. By the way, some of the information I have received about Europe comes from the Financial Times, a source from your own backyard. Try reading it sometime.

Obama is not my buddy. Did he tell you this?
I do read the FT, and the Economist (which I think the FT owners have a stake in) and The New Statesman and other publications because it always does good to get a wider view. Why are you implying I have never read it?
Airbus and Boeing have parts made all over the world. I don't see the Airbus wing production centres at Chester and Filton as being terribly different from Final assembly at Toulouse, Hamburg etc. Wings are equally chunks of an aircraft.
I am struggling to see the difference between an Airbus FAL and the 787 FAL.
I am aware there is a little difference between building aerostructures and final assembly. Maybe that comes with working for 10 years on a site that had MRO, aerostructures and final assembly going on. But the standards are still the same.

JeffinMass 03-01-2013 06:02 AM

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The Airbus factory in AL. is a A-319, 320 and 321 final assembly plant. AA/US have 302 variants on order. jetblue has 84 variants on order. F9 Fontier has 20 on order. Virgin America has 43. Hawaiian has 16, That's 465 variants that will be final assembled here in
the US. That's only US airlines. What about Canadian and the South and Central Americas and Mexico? So the "Made in USA" label is coming back :)


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