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Jamenator1 06-05-2012 09:05 AM

from 0 flight hours too airline pilot in aus
 
hey guys, I would like some aviation career advice please. I'm currently in high school doing VCE in australia and i have no flying time and i've wanted to be a pilot since age 2.

I've been doing research as to the best way to get from 0 effective flying time, to being an airline pilot (hopefully flying somthing like 737, a320 or erj-190... ect) WITHOUT going through the airforce (i don't like the odds of actualy being a pilot vs. the comitment). I an fully awere that it could take many many years to get from where i am now to landing a job at a major airline. I've been looking at jetstar's cadet pilot program and was wondering if i should go for it (but very expensive).
I would just like someones opinion of what is the best way to from 0 flight hours to major airline pilot (without going through airforce) in australia.

I am extremly enthusiastic about being a pilot:D, and if any of you are even anywhere near, are or were a pilot flying for a major airline, please tell me how you got there, and what you would recomend to be the best way.

i would love to start off with small charter airlines and move my way up through bigger and bigger companies to turboprops, and then hopefully through to big turbofan aircraft. But i would prefer it if i could do a pilot cadet program with a major airline to begin with, as i'm aware that this can land a job as a second or first officer with said airline.

i know i still need to do alot more research but i just wanted someone's opinions/advice.

i know this journey can take a very long time (sometimes an entier lifetime) and be very expensive, but i also know there are many ways to shorten that journey.

thanks to any replies....... James

arctic9048 06-05-2012 11:50 AM

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Well, I don't know anything about flying but I would strongly suggest you get your medical clearances done before you proceed. I've seen too many people in ATC spend all of the time and energy in getting the job offer only to have it retracted because they can't get their medical.

flyAmerican 06-05-2012 03:20 PM

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Hi James,
I myself am a high school student and plan on becoming an airline pilot. Ironically, one of my teacher's has a son who flies for Southwest Airlines and he and I have been in contact for a few months now, giving me excellent career advice. He says that he highly recommends going to a normal university, earning different degrees (as something to fall back on he said) and do your flight training separately. He says that it is cheaper to not go to an aviation university, although you wouldn't be doing your schoolwork around aviation. After you get your CFI either from the university or wherever you got your license, to continue to gain hours by teaching other students with less hours than you. He then says, that once you feel you have enough hours, to apply for an airline.

Remember that the demand for pilots will increase within the next ten years!!

jetbluefan 06-05-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flyAmerican (Post 961438)
Remember that the demand for pilots will increase within the next ten years!!

Yes, and the demand for ATC will also be going up.

Jamenator1 06-06-2012 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by flyAmerican (Post 961438)
Hi James,
I myself am a high school student and plan on becoming an airline pilot. Ironically, one of my teacher's has a son who flies for Southwest Airlines and he and I have been in contact for a few months now, giving me excellent career advice. He says that he highly recommends going to a normal university, earning different degrees (as something to fall back on he said) and do your flight training separately. He says that it is cheaper to not go to an aviation university, although you wouldn't be doing your schoolwork around aviation. After you get your CFI either from the university or wherever you got your license, to continue to gain hours by teaching other students with less hours than you. He then says, that once you feel you have enough hours, to apply for an airline.

Remember that the demand for pilots will increase within the next ten years!!

thanks, i hadern't really considered getting another degree or somthing because i can't really think of anything i want to do other than to be a pilot.

if i don't get to be an airline pilot or it looks like i never will then i'm also considering becoming a helicopter pilot, althought not very good pay in most cases. My absolute last resort at the moment incase my entier aviation career goes down the drain is to join the police force.

thanks to all responces so far, keep them coming please.... James:)

arctic9048 06-06-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jetbluefan (Post 961498)
Yes, and the demand for ATC will also be going up.

Not entirely true. There has been tons of hiring these last few years but it is beginning to peak. Not to mention, there are way too many qualified applicants in the pool versus available positions.

Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic career but it is getting harder to get into than it was versus 5 years ago.

flyAmerican 06-06-2012 06:53 PM

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If I can't be a commercial pilot, I wouldn't mind being an ATC or an engineer, just as long as I get to be around commercial planes!

gabe4321 06-06-2012 07:28 PM

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I would go over to maybe airlinepilotForums.com and post your question. You might get a better response.

AnonCollector 06-06-2012 09:06 PM

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Let me ask a cold-hearted, practical question. What is the salary you'd expect, once you made it? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort and expense to get there.

I have no idea what the answer is, but if this is your dream, you should have some idea. I guess though that you won't really know until you get the information you're seeking here anyhow.

Anyhow, good luck with your research.

n735ua 06-06-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamenator1 (Post 961568)
thanks, i hadern't really considered getting another degree or somthing because i can't really think of anything i want to do other than to be a pilot.

if i don't get to be an airline pilot or it looks like i never will then i'm also considering becoming a helicopter pilot, althought not very good pay in most cases. My absolute last resort at the moment incase my entier aviation career goes down the drain is to join the police force.

thanks to all responces so far, keep them coming please.... James:)

I can tell you from experience, please DON'T put all your eggs in one basket. Seriously consider getting a degree in something else, if anything it'll show your future employer your capabilities of being able to adapt to different situations.

Jamenator1 06-07-2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AnonCollector (Post 961727)
Let me ask a cold-hearted, practical question. What is the salary you'd expect, once you made it? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort and expense to get there.

I have no idea what the answer is, but if this is your dream, you should have some idea. I guess though that you won't really know until you get the information you're seeking here anyhow.

Anyhow, good luck with your research.

well the salary at major airlines varies i think, but its usually very high when you have been employed for a long time. I read somwhere that some of the most serior captains at qantas (have been with qantas for decades i would imagine) get a salary of over $500k per year!! thats more than our prime minister!!

I also read somwhere that starting off as a second officer with qantas on an a330 (you would need alot of hours an experiance though) earned you around $110k per year, which is exellent.

not sure just how accurate these figures are (I think they are quite accurate), if i ever become an major airline pilot i'm not at all concerned about the pay, a helicopter pilot on the other hand (of cource depending on who you work for) I think does not get anywhere near these salaries, but i'm not sure.

if i do a degree then i wonder what i should do? and should i do one thats related to aviation or should i do one that it completely unrelated?

thanks.... James

Jamenator1 06-07-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gabe4321 (Post 961715)
I would go over to maybe airlinepilotForums.com and post your question. You might get a better response.

good idea, just posted this question there. thanks

Dork 06-07-2012 08:42 PM

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I'm not sure how accurate your pay figures are, but if true, they would be about two to three times higher than in the USA. I agree about studying something else. At the least, it would make you more interesting and educated. It sounds like you have a lot of passion for being a pilot. That helps to make the years of hard work and low pay along the way a lot of fun and great life experience. To successfully become a commercial airline pilot, five things that will help you are passion, money, hard work, connections, and luck. The more of all of those you have, the easier your path will be. Some people are fortunate and can substitute lots of money, or connections, for hard work and passion. If you are average in the money/connections department, be prepared to work and be poor for many years along the way. All this assumes you have the requisite aptitude obviously. Something you have that is also helpful is that you are very young and have lots of time to work on attaining your dreams. Good luck!

Jamenator1 06-08-2012 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dork (Post 961931)
I'm not sure how accurate your pay figures are, but if true, they would be about two to three times higher than in the USA. I agree about studying something else. At the least, it would make you more interesting and educated. It sounds like you have a lot of passion for being a pilot. That helps to make the years of hard work and low pay along the way a lot of fun and great life experience. To successfully become a commercial airline pilot, five things that will help you are passion, money, hard work, connections, and luck. The more of all of those you have, the easier your path will be. Some people are fortunate and can substitute lots of money, or connections, for hard work and passion. If you are average in the money/connections department, be prepared to work and be poor for many years along the way. All this assumes you have the requisite aptitude obviously. Something you have that is also helpful is that you are very young and have lots of time to work on attaining your dreams. Good luck!

thanks alot for the reply.

passion= an absolute bucket load:D

money= meh, there are various eductaion programs here in aus which can help fund university degrees and stuff. i suppose my family doing ok finacial wise:neutral:.

hard work= i'm working quite hard, i do get desent scores at school usually between 70%-95% for maths (2 hardest maths classes you can do in year 11 in victoria, AUST) and science (physics) subjects, but lower for english (around 60%ish) which i'm inherantly bad at, but i could do better because i'm a bit lazy here and there espesialy studying for exams:o, but at least i get all class work done.

are those scores good enough do you think?

connections= none at all, i don't even know anyone who works around the airline industry:cry:

Luck: well we will find out latter on, won't we, hopefully good luck finds me:neutral:

Thanks.... James

arctic9048 06-08-2012 12:35 PM

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Money is obviously important but don't forget to take into consideration the importance of having a job that you like. You don't want to be miserable for 40 hours a week for the next 30 years. Now, if you're looking at $20,000 for long-term then yeah...you should probably go ahead and be miserable but make a decent wage. If you're comparing $100,000 versus $80,000 then the money doesn't become so important anymore.

Dork 06-10-2012 03:36 PM

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It would definitely help to get a college degree. Honestly, once you have a college degree, your high school scores are of little importance. Your college grades will carry some weight. I would suggest devoting a little more energy to English, as grammar and spelling can make a strong impression, either positively or negatively. As for money, that's good that you will have the means to further your education. What I was referring to in my previous post was people who have significant enough money available that they can simply pay to fly planes around, rather than spending the time and effort working for their experience. One thing that may help you would be to get a job, summer or part time, working at a local airport. A lot of people, at least in the USA, started off and gained experience and connections as line guys fueling and washing planes.

Jamenator1 06-10-2012 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dork (Post 962422)
It would definitely help to get a college degree. Honestly, once you have a college degree, your high school scores are of little importance. Your college grades will carry some weight. I would suggest devoting a little more energy to English, as grammar and spelling can make a strong impression, either positively or negatively. As for money, that's good that you will have the means to further your education. What I was referring to in my previous post was people who have significant enough money available that they can simply pay to fly planes around, rather than spending the time and effort working for their experience. One thing that may help you would be to get a job, summer or part time, working at a local airport. A lot of people, at least in the USA, started off and gained experience and connections as line guys fueling and washing planes.

what if i went straight to a pilot cadet program?
so far my plan has been to go do the advanced pilot cadet program at jetstar as soon after I finnish school.

This cadet program is for people with little or no flying experiance who want to be employed at jetstar as a pilot.
It comes in 2 parts, first there is a long course which gets you all the nesseary qualifications and is at my local airport and univeristy, then the second part is the airbus a320 endosement/type rating and is about 3 mounths in hong kong. Upon sucessful completion of both parts of the program you are eligable for hire with jetstar as a first officer on an a320 (jetstar currently looking for pilots, lets hope they still will be in a few years time).

this program is eligble for goverment loans (HECS, ect: you don't have to pay them back until you are earning a certain salary:D) and jetstar themselvs also provide financial assistance.

do you think this cadet program would be a good idea?
would you still recomend a degree before this program, would it be worth it (how would it affect my odds in the pilot cadet program)?

at the very least i'll come out with plenty of qualification, an a320 type rating and a few hundred hours, just get a few hundred more and I could be eligeble for hire as an a320 pilot some place else.

74Classic 06-11-2012 01:13 AM

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Take some advice from an old freight dog. Get a degree in anything other than aviation. It does not take a brain surgeon to be a pilot. If you lose your medical, get busted in a violation or ever have an accident (whether your fault or not) your on the beach. Have something to fall back on.

We had a CA at my airline ding two wing tips in the last 10 years. The insurance company finally said they were done with him. He's on to something else now.

I went the US Air Force route. It is my first and only recommendation to those seeking a piloting career here in the US. The pilot schemes are different in the rest of the world and for a boat load of money they will let you move the gear handle for your Captain.

I currently fly the B777F and have been on the B747-200F before that. I went through three other airlines, my regional job paying not much over 15K a year. I still haven't punched over 150K on the B777. Life at a major; if your lucky will pay better.

I'm 45 yrs old and "burned out". I've been almost everywhere and seen enough, hotels, commutes, airports, TSA and bad food to last a lifetime.
A few more months and I'm done.

Most importantly, go for your dream. When I was your age I received very similar advice from a Eastern L1011 Captain who was fed up with the furloughing and union issues. He told me to do something else and fly for fun.

I didn't listen ;)

Being a pilot is like being a crack addict. It is all you want; it consumes you and holds you tight. Many times your stuck in a middle seat in economy commuting from LAX to BKK and you just want to scream and other times you see the most spectacular sunset or sunrise or manage that so oft sought "perfect landing" and you say it was all worth it.

Good Luck. PM me if you have other questions. Can't tell you much about the pilot schemes in AUS or Asia unfortunately.

j.patroni 06-11-2012 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gabe4321 (Post 961715)
I would go over to maybe airlinepilotForums.com and post your question. You might get a better response.

I agree lots of info on APC and he schould find the postings by Skyhigh interesting.


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