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Do you know if this will cancel or defer their 777-300er order?
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Do you know if this will cancel or defer their 777-300er order?
from what I've read they've stated that they are still planning on taking delivery of all the aircraft they have on order
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Yeah this doesn't look like much. It isn't good, but at least they're taking the first few steps to return to profitability. Let's hope they come out of this bankruptcy in a better shape then they currently are-constantly losing money.
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Yeah this doesn't look like much. It isn't good, but at least they're taking the first few steps to return to profitability. Let's hope they come out of this bankruptcy in a better shape then they currently are-constantly losing money.

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Yeah this doesn't look like much. It isn't good, but at least they're taking the first few steps to return to profitability. Let's hope they come out of this bankruptcy in a better shape then they currently are-constantly losing money.
Well, American Airlines had a loss of 884 million dollars in the first 9 months of this year, that's more than twice as much as they lost in the same time the year before!!!

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I just hope they will survive
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Finally. It's about time.
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AA is the last Underdog. If that Eagle, bare metal, red, white, and blue go; I'm heading to Brazil.
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although its sad that they went through bankruptcy its still a chapter 11 case....most carriers that went through chapter 11 are just doing fine now.....its the chapter 7 of bankcruptcy that you have to worry about...

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AA is the last Underdog. If that Eagle, bare metal, red, white, and blue go; I'm heading to Brazil.
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I meant its not much that will keep them from the skies. All that is the commotion is their timing, ten years after the majority of the US carriers. At least they're trying to get back to profitability...
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I hope Carl Icahn doesn't decide to get involved like he did with TWA and f*** us over like he did with them...
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We can't lose AA! They have (IMO) the nicest livery out there.
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Nobody's losing anything. Well, their workers could lose a lot, and their shareholders have already lost a lot. And we'll see about the bondholders. But asides from that.
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Not shocked, but was surprised it happened so soon. The employees will probably lose their pensions, like at UA and DL.

I think AA will emerge from Chapter 11 as tougher, leaner machine against its rivals. I miss the Crandall era of innovation when AA was fierce competition, not the lagging industry follower it has become. Time will tell if Horton and Co. will rise to the challenge. I sure hope so!
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As part of AMR's reorganization plan, American will reportedly cut flights, reduce seats and raise fairs.
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Better get out your Rosetta Stone Portuguese lessons.
lol....I can't even imagine what an AA/whomever merger logo might look like. AA is one of the last few national treasures left (that hasn't been outsourced), in America.
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I am not worried about AA not surviving, I am more worried about their Maddog fleet. It will be sad to see them go
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I am not worried about AA not surviving, I am more worried about their Maddog fleet. It will be sad to see them go
AA will be thrilled to see them go. You'll have your memories.
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AA will be thrilled to see them go. You'll have your memories.
Yeah, I know. AA will try to dump them as fast as possible.
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Yeah, I know. AA will try to dump them as fast as possible.
to be replaced by A320 neo crap. Yuck!
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I'm gonna miss them too. But what are they going to do with their regional flights? My airport is regional and only has MD-80 series planes, along with several 727s, but nothing larger.
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Official announcement from AMR Corporation:

The agreements with Boeing and Airbus will continue American's fleet simplification efforts, allowing American to transition from four fleet types (MD-80, 737-800, 757-200 and 767-200) to two (the 737 and the A320 families, which offer significant commonality benefits within each family).

AMR Corporation Announces Largest Aircraft Order In History With Boeing And Airbus

That means that the MD-80s won't be the only type to leave the fleet, the B752 and the B762 will also be retired.

Here are the facts of the fleet renewal:
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Official announcement from AMR Corporation:

The agreements with Boeing and Airbus will continue American's fleet simplification efforts, allowing American to transition from four fleet types (MD-80, 737-800, 757-200 and 767-200) to two (the 737 and the A320 families, which offer significant commonality benefits within each family).

AMR Corporation Announces Largest Aircraft Order In History With Boeing And Airbus

That means that the MD-80s won't be the only type to leave the fleet, the B752 and the B762 will also be retired.

Here are the facts of the fleet renewal:
http://leehamnews.files.wordpress.co...r-aircraft.pdf
Yeah, AA will try to dump the 762s quite fast too. Seems the days of widebody transcons are over when they replace them with A321neos, unless they decide to use 763s on the route.
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Yeah, AA will try to dump the 762s quite fast too. Seems the days of widebody transcons are over when they replace them with A321neos, unless they decide to use 763s on the route.
An interesting return to the days of 707 and DC-8 transcon days. I suspect we'll see A321 neo on transatlantic too, the specs would seem to support the idea.
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Hey, I was over it when they stopped flying DC-10's and one could no longer book that excellent port window/door seat in coach. It was a two'fer with yards of room to stretch your legs.
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An interesting return to the days of 707 and DC-8 transcon days. I suspect we'll see A321 neo on transatlantic too, the specs would seem to support the idea.
Well we will see if anyone uses the A321 neo across the pond in the future.
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Well we will see if anyone uses the A321 neo across the pond in the future.
can a A321 NEO do this with enough ETOPS reserves?
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can a A321 NEO do this with enough ETOPS reserves?
Really dont know. I believe that the A321 neo can replace the 757 on almost all missions, but maybe not the longest ones.
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"American Airlines will reveal a new livery after keeping its old livery for more than 40 years. The airline is currently reorganizing itsself under chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and wiill modernize its entire fleet. American Airlines has currently 514 Boeing B737 and Airbus A320 airplanes on order and further 465 mid-range airplanes on option. The airline also holds 8 firm orders for Boeing B777-300ER and 42 firm orders for Boeing B787-9 Dreamliner long-range airplanes.
The new livery will be based on an all white fuselage with an enlarged eagle on the tail. A very subtle cheatline will be kept. Using new technologies and materials on modern airliners, the old livery containing a blank metal fuselage is outdated. The livery will be applied on all new delivered planes starting in 2012. "




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"American Airlines will reveal a new livery after keeping its old livery for more than 40 years. The airline is currently reorganizing itsself under chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and wiill modernize its entire fleet. American Airlines has currently 514 Boeing B737 and Airbus A320 airplanes on order and further 465 mid-range airplanes on option. The airline also holds 8 firm orders for Boeing B777-300ER and 42 firm orders for Boeing B787-9 Dreamliner long-range airplanes.
The new livery will be based on an all white fuselage with an enlarged eagle on the tail. A very subtle cheatline will be kept. Using new technologies and materials on modern airliners, the old livery containing a blank metal fuselage is outdated. The livery will be applied on all new delivered planes starting in 2012. "




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I guess i know where you've got this from. I've seen it on the GER aviation forum too.. Seems like nowadays its modern to have white planes like in the 70s everybody had a cheatline and a metal buttom.. I liked the old one better, but we'll get used to it, just like to the 'new' UA livery..
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"American Airlines will reveal a new livery after keeping its old livery for more than 40 years. The airline is currently reorganizing itsself under chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and wiill modernize its entire fleet. American Airlines has currently 514 Boeing B737 and Airbus A320 airplanes on order and further 465 mid-range airplanes on option. The airline also holds 8 firm orders for Boeing B777-300ER and 42 firm orders for Boeing B787-9 Dreamliner long-range airplanes.
The new livery will be based on an all white fuselage with an enlarged eagle on the tail. A very subtle cheatline will be kept. Using new technologies and materials on modern airliners, the old livery containing a blank metal fuselage is outdated. The livery will be applied on all new delivered planes starting in 2012. "




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NO NO NO I love there livery that they have now!
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"American Airlines will reveal a new livery after keeping its old livery for more than 40 years. The airline is currently reorganizing itsself under chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and wiill modernize its entire fleet. American Airlines has currently 514 Boeing B737 and Airbus A320 airplanes on order and further 465 mid-range airplanes on option. The airline also holds 8 firm orders for Boeing B777-300ER and 42 firm orders for Boeing B787-9 Dreamliner long-range airplanes.
The new livery will be based on an all white fuselage with an enlarged eagle on the tail. A very subtle cheatline will be kept. Using new technologies and materials on modern airliners, the old livery containing a blank metal fuselage is outdated. The livery will be applied on all new delivered planes starting in 2012. "




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I've heard that a new livery is being considered for introduction in 2013, with the new narrowbody deliveries. No definitive decision has been made yet. So I wouldn't count out a sliver or gray paint version of the current livery on the 787 since it's not polished aluminum, or any other aircraft type just yet.

I'm not sure how reliable this source is, since they don't have other facts straight. AA now has 10 77Ws on order, not 8, as well as 5 more 772s, which there is a pretty good chance those orders will also be converted to 77Ws.
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