B727re?

HannibalHays · 10-10-2002, 10:45 PM

Questions on one of my favorite aircraft line... specifically the B727RE...

Was a B727RE ever built or was it only on paper?
The RB211.535 Turbofan was slated for it?
Was it to remain a trijet or convert to a twin?
Are there any images of this interesting beast?
What did it look like?
Wonder if I could create a custom model?!

Any info is appreciated!

DeltaFlot · 10-10-2002, 11:15 PM

I hope you can translate French, cause this was the only thing I could find

Quote:

Prototype remotorisé pour donner au 727-200 les capacités du 757.

It sounds to me its a re-engined 727-200 suposedly with the capabilties in some sort of fashion as a 757. but I took Spanish in High School, so I could be totally off the mark ont his one.

bigredvmi · 10-10-2002, 11:37 PM

isn't the RE the same as the Super 27?

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true

http://www.worldairroutes.com/Cougar.html

www.super27.com/pdf/22461.pdf

HannibalHays · 10-11-2002, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigredvmi
isn't the RE the same as the Super 27?

Wow! I'm not sure... I've found one reference refering to the JT8D-217 (Super 27) and the RB211.535 but it was in French as I recall... It looks like laterday MD housings on the side of a 722 and wow, that #2 inlet sure looks puny by comparison....

HerpaBryce · 10-11-2002, 08:06 AM

The english translation of that french up there is "to give the 727-200 the capacity of the 757"

I'm guessing it was for making the 727-200 bigger and better.

HerpaBryce · 10-11-2002, 08:10 AM

If you read the last attached thing on bigredvmi's post on the top it says 727-223RE (Super27)

So there's your answer. The 722RE is the Super27.

AirDar · 10-12-2002, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HannibalHays
Questions on one of my favorite aircraft line... specifically the B727RE... The RB211.535 Turbofan was slated for it?... Was it to remain a trijet or convert to a twin?

Hey Scott...

Russ has bandied about my concept alot on these pages in various forms, but in light of your questions, (and at the request of others here and elsewhere) I'm re-posting MY thought on what "This Beast" might have looked like had the 757 NOT been made after all...

I used the 787 designation because I felt that Boeing MIGHT have felt that the updates to this model made it different enough to warrant it. As I have "designed" it here the modifications are as follows:

•New lengthend fuselage with updated door mechanisms and additional mid-cabin exits

•2 Rolls Royce RB-211-500 series engines (Third centerline engine omitted)

•Completely new supercritical wing section with wider span, new configuration of flaps and spoilers and winglet kit.

•Modified vertical stabilizer

•Re-located APU with 777 type exhaust

•New section, wider span horizontal stabilizer

•updated interior throughout

•Advanced and updated 2 man glass cockpit.

Available in 3 lengths and various ranges -100, -200, -300 (shown)

Enjoy again!

AirDar · 10-12-2002, 06:43 AM

...And here is the same concept with the Pratt & Whitney engines shown in Delta colors...

HannibalHays · 10-12-2002, 10:05 PM

Hmmm... so to create a Super 27 custom model I just need a MD-80 to give up it's #1 & #2...

Sentinel Chicken · 10-12-2002, 11:51 PM

A Super 27 is still a 727 with less-than-radical modifications. The primary mods in the Super 27 involve acoustic treatment to the engines to reduce noise- the center engine has its thrust reverser removed as well and the mods to the flap settings and optional winglets.

Several years ago there was a proposal (by Cammacorp, but I'm not sure) for a more radical modification which would have transformed the 727-200 into a twin with the substitution of CFM56 engines and deletion of the center engine with reprofiling of the fin. Dar's rendition looks eerily similar!

My understanding of the disposition of the project was that it was poo-pooed behind the scenes by Boeing as it would have affected 757 sales. A past issue of Airways had a picture of a model while the October issue of Airliner World talks about Cougar's Super 27s in detail.

Scott · 10-13-2002, 02:59 PM

I believe Bob Crandall at AA solicited a major modification to the 727-200 from Boeing prior to selecting the MD-80 series. Specifics included installing a "bullet" style fairing over the #2 engine inlet, replacing the remaining 2 JT-8's with a high-bypass turbofan, creating a 2-pilot cockpit with "glass" instrumentation, zero-timing the airframe, etc. The answer, of course, was NO!!

bigredvmi · 10-13-2002, 03:10 PM

What issue of Airliners ... do you know?

10-13-2002, 10:50 PM

man thats weird. used to the three holer

Airliners! · 10-14-2002, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AirDar
"This Beast" might have looked like had the 757 NOT been made after all...

Excellent work! One suggestion: it should have a 757 style nose - the 757 was originally to have the 727/737 nose until the PSA midair, when one of the criticisms was the poor visibility from the 727 cockpit.

AirDar · 10-14-2002, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Airliners!
...it should have a 757 style nose

Fair suggestion, but the real reason I did this is because I'm such a 727 nut!

If I changed the cockpit, it would bear little resemblence to a 727 anymore... I would also have to change out the fuselage cross section in the forward half of the plane because of the lack of a lower lobe in the 757 frame. I was going for a way of LENGTHENING and REFRESHING the old 727 frame in a more radical way than they later did on the 737... Besides, if the 727 cockpit is REALLY that bad, why is Boeing not only still using it on the NG 737's they are REMOVING the eyebrow windows!

Anyway... like I said, it's a fair comment. Maybe I'll do what you suggest one day and make a DIFFERENT "What If" out of it!

HannibalHays · 10-15-2002, 07:49 PM

If I could track down some extra DW MD engine housings I would customize some Super 27's...

10-10-2002, 11:37 PM	#3
bigredvmi Master Collector Join Date: May 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 786	isn't the RE the same as the Super 27? http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true http://www.worldairroutes.com/Cougar.html www.super27.com/pdf/22461.pdf __________________ - Drew Sell crazy somewere else were all stocked up here

10-11-2002, 08:06 AM	#5
HerpaBryce Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 18 Posts: 833	The english translation of that french up there is "to give the 727-200 the capacity of the 757" I'm guessing it was for making the 727-200 bigger and better. __________________ See my airliner renderings here - http://community.webshots.com/user/banages See my collection here

10-11-2002, 08:10 AM	#6
HerpaBryce Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 18 Posts: 833	If you read the last attached thing on bigredvmi's post on the top it says 727-223RE (Super27) So there's your answer. The 722RE is the Super27. __________________ See my airliner renderings here - http://community.webshots.com/user/banages See my collection here

10-12-2002, 06:43 AM	#8
AirDar I'm watching you... Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Land of BBQ & thin chips Posts: 1,787	...And here is the same concept with the Pratt & Whitney engines shown in Delta colors... __________________ Dar~ Yours is not to question why, Yours is but to BUY or DIE!

10-12-2002, 10:05 PM	#9
HannibalHays Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 841	Hmmm... so to create a Super 27 custom model I just need a MD-80 to give up it's #1 & #2... __________________ Scott

10-10-2002, 10:45 PM	#1
HannibalHays Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 841	B727re? Questions on one of my favorite aircraft line... specifically the B727RE... Was a B727RE ever built or was it only on paper? The RB211.535 Turbofan was slated for it? Was it to remain a trijet or convert to a twin? Are there any images of this interesting beast? What did it look like? Wonder if I could create a custom model?! Any info is appreciated! __________________ Scott

10-12-2002, 11:51 PM	#10
Sentinel Chicken Go-Getters Go Ozark Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: DFW/THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Posts: 4,167	A Super 27 is still a 727 with less-than-radical modifications. The primary mods in the Super 27 involve acoustic treatment to the engines to reduce noise- the center engine has its thrust reverser removed as well and the mods to the flap settings and optional winglets. Several years ago there was a proposal (by Cammacorp, but I'm not sure) for a more radical modification which would have transformed the 727-200 into a twin with the substitution of CFM56 engines and deletion of the center engine with reprofiling of the fin. Dar's rendition looks eerily similar! My understanding of the disposition of the project was that it was poo-pooed behind the scenes by Boeing as it would have affected 757 sales. A past issue of Airways had a picture of a model while the October issue of Airliner World talks about Cougar's Super 27s in detail. __________________ *Piss on noise abatement!*

10-13-2002, 02:59 PM	#11
Scott Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Escondido, Ca. USA Age: 50 Posts: 2,763	I believe Bob Crandall at AA solicited a major modification to the 727-200 from Boeing prior to selecting the MD-80 series. Specifics included installing a "bullet" style fairing over the #2 engine inlet, replacing the remaining 2 JT-8's with a high-bypass turbofan, creating a 2-pilot cockpit with "glass" instrumentation, zero-timing the airframe, etc. The answer, of course, was NO!! __________________ Fly the Friendly Skies of United uniTED takes wing Feb 12, 2004

10-13-2002, 03:10 PM	#12
bigredvmi Master Collector Join Date: May 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 786	What issue of Airliners ... do you know? __________________ - Drew Sell crazy somewere else were all stocked up here

10-13-2002, 10:50 PM	#13
Romania is #1 Guest Posts: n/a	man thats weird. used to the three holer

10-15-2002, 07:49 PM	#16
HannibalHays Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 841	If I could track down some extra DW MD engine housings I would customize some Super 27's... __________________ Scott

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