Continental Boeing 2707-200 SST

AirDar · 03-30-2002, 04:32 PM

The Boeing 2707 SST project began in earnest with a swing wing version. The type that won the contract for them in January 1966 (as it was a US Government backed project) away from Lockheed and North American was the 2707-100 version. The mock-up was 306 feet long and the FAA selected the GE4/J5P turbojet engine for development. These were housed in 4 separate pods slung under the after fixed-section of the wings. The variable geometry portion of the wings moved from a 30deg position on takeoff/landing to a 72deg sweepback in the highspeed mode. The cruising speed goal was Mach2.7 (1800mph)

The passenger cabin had 277 seats in a 2-3-2 arrangement on two aisles. Like the Concorde, it also had a "droop-snoot" nose, this one being double jointed. During 1967 the -200 model was developed, adding canards near the cockpit and additional length to house them. Boeing projected certification to occur in 1972 with deliveries to the airlines by 1974.

Since this plane never made it, I've taken a few minor liberties with the design... mostly for things that had never been finalized. (ie: cabin window arrangements, stabilizer sweep and details, etc.)

If Continental had taken delivery of this aircraft, they would have had it painted in their now classic, "Proud Bird with the Golden Tail" (or BrassAss as some refer to it!) black "meatball" livery. I herewith present a look into that future for you...

Enjoy!

Chansen · 04-01-2002, 10:05 AM

I have always loved the 2707!

Sentinel Chicken · 04-01-2002, 12:31 PM

Oh man, I think I'm getting a major stiffie!

The VG version of the Boeing 2707 (which was the original and larger version) would have been one impressive sight to see. 277 seats might have made it a more economic proposition than the limited seating on the Concorde. Interestingly, the later 2707-300, which featured the double delta fixed wing, reduced seating by around 40 seats. Most people aren't even aware that the main reason for the double-jointed nose section was for ground clearance with the nose drooped.

Personally, the VG version was more impressive, if not more technically daunting.

I also must commend you on the 2707 logo you designed. I take it that's of your own design, Dar? I've never seen it in association with the 2707 project before, but it's very striking and as much an accomplishment to me as your rendition of the aircraft itself.

Check this well done page on the Boeing 2707 SST filled with artwork from the initial studies.

Impressive- I do believe you've outdone your previous 787 work here on this one, Dar.

Sentinel Chicken · 04-01-2002, 12:35 PM

I've attached a graphic here which shows the undercarriage arrangement of the 2707 SST. You can also see just outboard of the fuselage mounted bogies the openings in the wing-tail junction that allowed airflow from above sweep downward over the inboard flaps to improve landing characteristics.

I'm hoping that Boeing brings back the 2707 designation for the Sonic Cruiser......

AirDar · 04-02-2002, 01:50 AM

Thanks for the nice words guys! I've always LOVED this plane (concept) since I was a small kid! It was one of the reasons I wanted to be a pilot back then.. and it's demise influenced my never following that dream through...

Also thanks for the kudos on the logo Doc, but I can't take credit for it's design, only the way I handled it. This really WAS the official logo of the 2707 project and was emblazoned on the tail of the mockup! I added the "Boeing 2707-200" text, but the symbol and "SST" were there... I don't know for SURE, but I always imagined that the three rings represented breaking Mach 3, as THAT was the REAL goal speed... only as they began to develop the engineering did they revise it down...

I'll do other classic schemes on this frame soon... keep an eye out!

(I MIGHT even take a request or two if asked!

)

04-02-2002, 04:47 PM

WOW, that looks cool, to bad it didn't fly.

TL925 · 04-03-2002, 01:30 PM

Lookin good. Did Boeing have any firm orders for this model before the government shut it down?

Sentinel Chicken · 04-03-2002, 06:00 PM

This very attractive Boeing 2707 SST model in TWA's twin globe livery is up for auction here on Ebay! So who wants to fork over $69.95 for this beauty. And no, this is NOT my auction, so don't worry this isn't any sort of shameless plug. There's a nice profile drawing in REG Davies/Mike Machat's book TWA: An Airline and Its Aircraft of this aircraft in the same livery. VERRRRRRRY sharp!

Chansen · 04-03-2002, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Sentinel Chicken
This very attractive Boeing 2707 SST model in TWA's twin globe livery is up for auction here on Ebay! So who wants to fork over $69.95 for this beauty. And no, this is NOT my auction, so don't worry this isn't any sort of shameless plug. There's a nice profile drawing in REG Davies/Mike Machat's book TWA: An Airline and Its Aircraft of this aircraft in the same livery. VERRRRRRRY sharp!

Don't forget about the Concorde and Caravelle 10A on the same page! Cool model.

That plane is much more deserved of a 1:400 scale!

One of these is plastic and in 1:400! Look here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1718075199

AirDar · 04-03-2002, 08:18 PM

Well I'm watching THAT kit! Thanks Craig!

If it doesn't get too expensive, I'll go for it!

Fred Wengler · 04-03-2002, 09:37 PM

Nice! I remember seeing the wooden mockup near Orlando FL. Last I heard it's part of a church?

funbird · 04-04-2002, 09:40 PM

Nice job! I've always wanted to see the phantom 2707 in various schemes!!!

General Buck Turgidson · 05-12-2003, 01:14 PM

Now which manufacturer has the stones to produce this bird in 1/400? All you "I-don't-buy-fantasy-planes" sissies can go to hell, the General would buy any and all fantasy releases done on the VG 2707 mould.

05-12-2003, 02:27 PM

This is a year old!

Piarco · 05-13-2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by geminiman
This is a year old!

Like your developmental age?

Who cares? It's another tremendous rendering by AirDar that deserves revisiting. Continental's BrassAss looks great on this frame, as would AA's lightning bolt and TWA's StarStream liveries. Thanks again, Dar.

General Buck Turgidson · 05-13-2003, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by geminiman
This is a year old!

And you're still one of the biggest goddammn morons on this forum! Piss off you little twerp, it's clear you have no appreciation for artwork of this caliber.

05-13-2003, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by General Buck Turgidson
And you're still one of the biggest goddammn morons on this forum! Piss off you little twerp, it's clear you have no appreciation for artwork of this caliber.

Yes president Bush or the General or _________________ fill in your other screen names that you try to act like these people.

General Buck Turgidson · 05-13-2003, 12:59 PM

Rousing reply, how long did you sit in a catatonic stupor to come up with that one before being soaked in your own drool woke you up?

Dipshit.

richie154 · 05-14-2003, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by General Buck Turgidson
Now which manufacturer has the stones to produce this bird in 1/400? All you "I-don't-buy-fantasy-planes" sissies can go to hell, the General would buy any and all fantasy releases done on the VG 2707 mould.

hmm....maybe DW might do these 2707's as they crank out A380s and have announced fantasy Concordes...id love to have a 2707.

Tony Sepanski · 05-14-2003, 07:25 PM

A truly brilliant plane from a spotters point of view. There's still alot of the 2707 legacy left here in Seattle that people don't even realize. For example:

- The NBA team is the Seattle Supersonics . They were named after the (then) upcoming SST Boeing was building.

- The 737/757 final assembly hanger in Renton has an impossibly high ceiling with doors to match. Much higher than is needed for '37's and '57's. The building was constructed to build the 2707 with it's high tail.

- You see many models, pictures and drawings floating around town from the various engineers that worked on the project who are now retired. It's a veritible treasure-trove of goodies when one of these old-timers shows up at the Museum of Flight.

The VG wing version I've read was a weighty pig, as I understand it. I believe at one point they decided to make the wing pivot entirely from titanium to help keep the weight down (and the cost up?).

-----

I've never heard of the "Golden Tail" being called the 'BrassAss'. I'm cracking up over that one...!

03-30-2002, 04:32 PM	#1
AirDar I'm watching you... Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Land of BBQ & thin chips Posts: 1,787	Continental Boeing 2707-200 SST The Boeing 2707 SST project began in earnest with a swing wing version. The type that won the contract for them in January 1966 (as it was a US Government backed project) away from Lockheed and North American was the 2707-100 version. The mock-up was 306 feet long and the FAA selected the GE4/J5P turbojet engine for development. These were housed in 4 separate pods slung under the after fixed-section of the wings. The variable geometry portion of the wings moved from a 30deg position on takeoff/landing to a 72deg sweepback in the highspeed mode. The cruising speed goal was Mach2.7 (1800mph) The passenger cabin had 277 seats in a 2-3-2 arrangement on two aisles. Like the Concorde, it also had a "droop-snoot" nose, this one being double jointed. During 1967 the -200 model was developed, adding canards near the cockpit and additional length to house them. Boeing projected certification to occur in 1972 with deliveries to the airlines by 1974. Since this plane never made it, I've taken a few minor liberties with the design... mostly for things that had never been finalized. (ie: cabin window arrangements, stabilizer sweep and details, etc.) If Continental had taken delivery of this aircraft, they would have had it painted in their now classic, "Proud Bird with the Golden Tail" (or BrassAss as some refer to it!) black "meatball" livery. I herewith present a look into that future for you... Enjoy! __________________ Dar~ Yours is not to question why, Yours is but to BUY or DIE!

04-01-2002, 10:05 AM	#2
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,024	Great, how about the current scheme! I will do Landor on the MD-80. I have always loved the 2707!

04-01-2002, 12:31 PM	#3
Sentinel Chicken Go-Getters Go Ozark Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: DFW/THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Posts: 4,167	Oh man, I think I'm getting a major stiffie! The VG version of the Boeing 2707 (which was the original and larger version) would have been one impressive sight to see. 277 seats might have made it a more economic proposition than the limited seating on the Concorde. Interestingly, the later 2707-300, which featured the double delta fixed wing, reduced seating by around 40 seats. Most people aren't even aware that the main reason for the double-jointed nose section was for ground clearance with the nose drooped. Personally, the VG version was more impressive, if not more technically daunting. I also must commend you on the 2707 logo you designed. I take it that's of your own design, Dar? I've never seen it in association with the 2707 project before, but it's very striking and as much an accomplishment to me as your rendition of the aircraft itself. Check this well done page on the Boeing 2707 SST filled with artwork from the initial studies. Impressive- I do believe you've outdone your previous 787 work here on this one, Dar. __________________ *Piss on noise abatement!*

04-01-2002, 12:35 PM	#4
Sentinel Chicken Go-Getters Go Ozark Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: DFW/THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Posts: 4,167	I've attached a graphic here which shows the undercarriage arrangement of the 2707 SST. You can also see just outboard of the fuselage mounted bogies the openings in the wing-tail junction that allowed airflow from above sweep downward over the inboard flaps to improve landing characteristics. I'm hoping that Boeing brings back the 2707 designation for the Sonic Cruiser...... __________________ *Piss on noise abatement!*

04-02-2002, 01:50 AM	#5
AirDar I'm watching you... Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Land of BBQ & thin chips Posts: 1,787	Thanks for the nice words guys! I've always LOVED this plane (concept) since I was a small kid! It was one of the reasons I wanted to be a pilot back then.. and it's demise influenced my never following that dream through... Also thanks for the kudos on the logo Doc, but I can't take credit for it's design, only the way I handled it. This really WAS the official logo of the 2707 project and was emblazoned on the tail of the mockup! I added the "Boeing 2707-200" text, but the symbol and "SST" were there... I don't know for SURE, but I always imagined that the three rings represented breaking Mach 3, as THAT was the REAL goal speed... only as they began to develop the engineering did they revise it down... I'll do other classic schemes on this frame soon... keep an eye out! (I MIGHT even take a request or two if asked! ) __________________ Dar~ Yours is not to question why, Yours is but to BUY or DIE!

04-02-2002, 04:47 PM	#6
Romania is #1 Guest Posts: n/a	WOW, that looks cool, to bad it didn't fly.

04-03-2002, 01:30 PM	#7
TL925 Master Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 529	Lookin good. Did Boeing have any firm orders for this model before the government shut it down?

04-03-2002, 06:00 PM	#8
Sentinel Chicken Go-Getters Go Ozark Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: DFW/THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Posts: 4,167	Since we're on the subject..... This very attractive Boeing 2707 SST model in TWA's twin globe livery is up for auction here on Ebay! So who wants to fork over $69.95 for this beauty. And no, this is NOT my auction, so don't worry this isn't any sort of shameless plug. There's a nice profile drawing in REG Davies/Mike Machat's book TWA: An Airline and Its Aircraft of this aircraft in the same livery. VERRRRRRRY sharp! __________________ *Piss on noise abatement!*

04-03-2002, 08:18 PM	#10
AirDar I'm watching you... Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Land of BBQ & thin chips Posts: 1,787	Well I'm watching THAT kit! Thanks Craig! If it doesn't get too expensive, I'll go for it! __________________ Dar~ Yours is not to question why, Yours is but to BUY or DIE!

04-03-2002, 09:37 PM	#11
Fred Wengler Collector Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Baltimore Age: 49 Posts: 115	Nice! I remember seeing the wooden mockup near Orlando FL. Last I heard it's part of a church?

04-04-2002, 09:40 PM	#12
funbird Master Collector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: north florida Age: 41 Posts: 527	Nice job! I've always wanted to see the phantom 2707 in various schemes!!!

05-12-2003, 01:14 PM	#13
General Buck Turgidson Senior Collector Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: At a secret Air Force bunker in the US Midwest Posts: 312	STOP THE PRESSES! A diecast version of this would distract the General from Ms. Scott Now which manufacturer has the stones to produce this bird in 1/400? All you "I-don't-buy-fantasy-planes" sissies can go to hell, the General would buy any and all fantasy releases done on the VG 2707 mould. __________________ "I think there are many times when it would be most efficient to use nuclear weapons. However, the public opinion in this country and throughout the world throw up their hands in horror when you mention nuclear weapons, just because of the propaganda that's been fed to them."

05-12-2003, 02:27 PM	#14
geminiman Guest Posts: n/a	This is a year old!

05-13-2003, 12:59 PM	#18
General Buck Turgidson Senior Collector Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: At a secret Air Force bunker in the US Midwest Posts: 312	Rousing reply, how long did you sit in a catatonic stupor to come up with that one before being soaked in your own drool woke you up? Dipshit. __________________ "I think there are many times when it would be most efficient to use nuclear weapons. However, the public opinion in this country and throughout the world throw up their hands in horror when you mention nuclear weapons, just because of the propaganda that's been fed to them."

05-14-2003, 07:25 PM	#20
Tony Sepanski Master Collector Join Date: May 2000 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 798	A truly brilliant plane from a spotters point of view. There's still alot of the 2707 legacy left here in Seattle that people don't even realize. For example: - The NBA team is the Seattle Supersonics . They were named after the (then) upcoming SST Boeing was building. - The 737/757 final assembly hanger in Renton has an impossibly high ceiling with doors to match. Much higher than is needed for '37's and '57's. The building was constructed to build the 2707 with it's high tail. - You see many models, pictures and drawings floating around town from the various engineers that worked on the project who are now retired. It's a veritible treasure-trove of goodies when one of these old-timers shows up at the Museum of Flight. The VG wing version I've read was a weighty pig, as I understand it. I believe at one point they decided to make the wing pivot entirely from titanium to help keep the weight down (and the cost up?). ----- I've never heard of the "Golden Tail" being called the 'BrassAss'. I'm cracking up over that one...!

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