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Old 07-30-2002, 09:04 AM   #1
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It was definitely a pricey model, but I recently ordered Franklin Mint`s B-17 Memphis Belle model.
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I loved the movie when I saw it for the first time, and I`ve been interested in the Air War in WW2 since. I was wondering if anybody else here was considering this model. The actual plane is now at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, but not in a bare metal scheme. I have Franklin Mint`s other B-17, a B-17G named Shoo Shoo Shoo baby, that was released around 1993, and it is an absolutely great model. It is not as large as the Armour B-25`s, but the detail, hard to imagine, is hands down better than Armour`s. The moving ball turret and detailed inside from the bomb bay to the cockpit are great. The actual plane is now at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, but not in a bare metal scheme. I don`t get back home for another month, but I`ll make sure to put pics up then.
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$400! Pass. Plus after FM ruining Armour I won't be buying anything from them. I did see this at Oshkosh over the weekend and it is a nice model but not for $400.
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Old 07-30-2002, 10:36 AM   #3
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It is not as large as the Armour B-25`s, but the detail, hard to imagine, is hands down better than Armour`s.
For $395.00 it had better be.......
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Old 07-30-2002, 11:14 AM   #4
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IMO, the etched seams are too deep, there are no waist guns and the signature should be on the stand not on the wing.
Compare this to the Corgi 1:72 at a fraction of the cost and you'll see where the value is.
C'mon FM there is no need to gouge collectors, your products are way over priced, a fact that was tolerated when your offerings were unique but this is no longer the case, get with the program or you'll be selling only to lonely rednecks and housewives who don't know any better.
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Old 08-02-2002, 10:22 AM   #5
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I never expected to see a Franklin Mint display at the EAA, but I stumbled on it while browsing the booths. I voiced a few concerns to the reps that I've seen on this forum. Their answers were less than satisfactory. (Paraphrased)

Me: I know some diecast collectors are angry with F.M. for acquiring Armour and jacking up the prices.

Them: Armour actually approached US about acquiring their business. We didn't jack up the prices, they are the same as when Armour released their planes, $90. The lower prices you saw when Armour was in business were dealer discounts.

(Note: Remember when F.M. originally was going to charge $125+ when they initially announced releases of former Armour products with their name on it?

Me: But why should I pay a higher price for aircraft that I know are the same quality as Armour's line?

Them: But we've released new aircraft in 1:48 scale. These are our own molds, not armour's old molds. Ours are much more detailed. (At this point one of the reps turned around and took a 1:144 scale B-17 with a signature on the wing off of a stand and shoved it at me)

Me: That looks like a 1:144 scale B-17G. That IS a 1:144 scale, right?

Them: Look how much more detailed this B-17 is than Armour products. See the turrets move and the there is great detail. Plus you can own a 1:48 scale F.M. plane for three easy payments of $30. (I hated to tell them that Armour never produced a 1:144 scale B-17G)

Me: Well, thanks for your time. I'll let the web-sters know this new information.

So I left the booth quickly looking for the "Model Power" people.



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Old 08-02-2002, 01:37 PM   #6
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I also visited the FM booth at Oshkosh and asked a few antagonizing questions to get their goat a little bit. They replied in much the same manner and I told the guy I talked to that it was ironic that the EAA museum and Aikens Diecast were both selling their Armour cheaper than they were. The salespeople at the booth were clueless. Nice planes with a crappy company. Maybe if I win the lottery I'll approach FM about buying them out.
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I might be mistaken, but I think I remembered the Franklin Mint B-17 I have at home is a 1/96 scale, I may be mistaken, but believe that is the size. Looks like the FM people might not know as much as the should. Regarding OZ's statement about the Corgi line model, I think that should be a good model too. I thought the colors seemed just a bit off though, the pictures of that plane seem to make the model look a little too tan. I also was not really expecting the Franklin Mint model to have the waist guns either as B-17F's had an open canopy at the waist window, it was with the B-17G that the window was put through a window to help alleviate the weather just a little bit. I guess for $400 it would have been nice to see the guns on mounts with an open window, but I guess that's getting a little bit too detailed. The Corgi model comes out in the fall if I remember correctly, so I might pick that one up too...can't get enough of the warbirds. If someone brings out the B-24 and B-26 too, I would be a very happy man.
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I think Corgi's B17 will be superb, after all their 1/72 Avro Lancaster was a magnificent model and set a new standard for diecast aircraft IMO. I've been re-assured that the Corgi one will have the waist guns and glass windows for these gun positions.

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The Corgi lancasters are indeed fantastic so i'll definitely wait for the 1/72 B-17. Even at 1/72 these models are not small.
My favorite B-17 of all time was called I think, Little Miss Chief or something like that and it was a hybrid of a bare metal plane and a camo green plane. It was a salvage job using the rear fuselage and front of two different planes.... would make a great model!
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In England we get sent to prison if we do that with cars, ha!! That would be an interesting model!

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I think a weathered and battle damaged 17 with a feathered prop would be outstanding.
I can hardly wait.
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I also saw the announcement for a 1/72 Corgi B-17G. By the way, whether the F.M. B-17 was 1:144 or not really doesn't matter; the fact is THEY didn't know what scale it was!

How has the 1/72 Lancaster been received by the public? Has Corgi sold a load of them or have sales slacked off? Unfortunately, I'll have to pass on any 1/72 scale bombers as my room for new large aircraft has run out.

F.M. has lost me as a customer. When they can distinguish between scales I'll consider then.
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Great concept, but grossly inflated price for a dubious rendition of the historic B-17. I'll stop by the local F.M. store and view this in person. Chances of purchase are near zero!
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Wow thats expensive.
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