Master Shake747

Planecrazy

We are living in crazy times in this country. Alan Greenspan, the best Chairman of the Federal Reserve so far, rates Bill Clinton as the best president he ever new; a true Republican.

Republican!? Yes. Greenspan points to his fiscal conservatism, his moderate policies and the steps Clinton took to boost the economy to new heights. And, most Democrats could barely stand him. Now, I am a conservative and if he could be president again, I would be under the desk blowing him!

So I will probably vote for Hillary hoping some of him rubbed off on her (no pun intended).

But, I am not optimistic. When it comes to politics I agree with Jay Leno. Whenever I feel like I am a Republican, they do something greedy and whenever I think I am a Democrat, they do something stupid!

Mystère

Interesting. I don't know her, but does it mean she considers Republicans as unable to read ?...

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Master Shake747

Not gonna argue there. It'll be a long time until we get more than one candidate on both sides that will be worth our votes. And read too.

Hapag-Lloyd

Yawn. Snore. Yaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnn.

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gospodin

I second that. Barack Obama is an empty shirt. He's being pushed because so many want a minority President at any cost. I personally don't care what race/ethnicity/sex/religion the next President will be, I just don't want another crappy four years with a bad POTUS. Obama isn't a good choice, definately NOT Hillary, and all the rest are weak...we just can't seem to come up with a good candidate anymore.

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Steve


When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

JFK'ER

Empty shirt compared to who? I don't think race plays in to his popularity. When Jesse ran I never knew one conservative who said they were going to vote for him. I like him because of his stance on most domestic and international policies. I'm with him on spending, sending Pakistan a strong message to find Bin-Laden and resolving Iraq. I am not with him for disarming our nukes. It's all moot however, he will not the democratic nomination. Hillary will because the fix is in.

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I blame Cuomo.

Planecrazy

I have a terrible time remembering names. Numbers great, but names no way. So I can't remember the comedian who HBO sponsored to teach an American Government class session, and later another one due to how great he was.

The point he made was, ".. Americans voting in mediocre presidents is American As Apple Pie!"

He then launched in to a history of Franklin Pierce a president so bad his own party would not nominate him to run for a second term. One night he got liquored up and went out riding his horse and ran over a lady walking down the road. The first U. S. president driving drunk!

He then detailed President Pierce's family tree up well into the 20th century to his great, great, great (etc.) granddaughter, Barbara Bush. George W. Bush's mother.

As American as apple pie!

D-AIHC

We just found out that there'is a Monica Lewinsky wannabe in the forum!

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Lufthansa - Star Alliance member since 1997

D-AIHC

I nominate Steve (aka gospodin) for President!

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gospodin

Oh, goody, I got my first vote!

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Steve


When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

D-AIHC

Well, just a nomination...doesn't neccesary mean it will translate to a vote though as many things can happen between nomination and election.

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gospodin

Much of the country hated Lincoln in his time. The North was not doing well the first years of the war, New York had open riots that the Navy had to stop (by firing into the city from ships in the harbor), England and France were openly friendly with the South, and prices of everything skyrocketed. Teddy Roosevelt was considered a war-monger. Franklin Roosevelt was hated as a socialist. Jefferson was considered a fool by many for buying Louisiana (so much money for all that empty, Indian-infested land!). Almost every President was reviled for one thing or another during their term. History has been kind to many...but it ain't gonna happen for Bush!

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Steve


When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

gospodin

See, you got me all excited and pumped-up for nothing. I thought I had your vote, but heck, you're not even American!

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Steve


When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

dboyd001

..... Once upon a time audiobooks were produced for sight impaired and blind people. Don't read too much into it though (pun partially intended). Nowadays every book that has the slightest chance of being on the best seller list gets an audiobook counterpart.
..... I suppose there's a number of reasons for their popularity among sighted people: too damned lazy to read, listen to a book while driving (or other activity where reading would be inconvenient), etc. I once heard someone claim they listened to the books because they just didn't have the time to read the book. Huh? But she did have the time to listen to it?
Dave (never "read" an audiobook)

champpitbull2

I wouldn't be so sure.

gospodin

True, but by the time they re-write history and start saying nice things about Bush Lite, I'll be dead.

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Steve


When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

champpitbull2

Come on you should be able to live past 61. I think the average age now is 74. There is a difference between history based on facts and passionate feelings. What we see now is the latter.

gospodin

I salute you for supporting our President. I once did, also, but have since realized that we've made a terrible choice in leadership. Al Gore would not have been an improvement, and neither would Kerry, so I guess we were limited in our choices. But sometimes there comes a period in history when the right man or woman for the job never shows up. I personally didn't care much for President Clinton, but during his term, the country did well, the deficit was absolved, and although he slashed the military, it was necessary because it had gotten so large from the Reagan years, and needed the trimming. That's from the rational viewpoint, and so is my take on President Bush. I personally think Mr Bush is probably a very nice guy, like Jimmy Carter is, but his leadership is poor. You can't deny that things have not gone well since he took office. Much of it is not his fault, but the perception is there because of his poor skill at leading the country. The fact that we attacked Iraq, against the advice and concent of our allies, and world opinion is way down on the American government because of this, is one of the reasons I feel the way I do about our President. Iraq was contained, there was no threat, and if the situation had warranted, we could have intervened against them at any time. The war to depose Saddam was not necessary. If we were to feel justified in this, then why not attempt to depose other obnoxious and potentially troublesome leaders in Iran, N. Korea, China, and even Russia? There is no way we can impose democracy on the world, they have to find it in themselves to change. The will of the people has to be the catalyst, like it was in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. We occupy a nation resentful of our presence, and have an enemy that all the power of the United States will not be able to eradicate. This is not what America is all about. We need to have world opinion and support to remove Al Qaeda, we need to let Iraq decide it's own future...which it will do when we leave regardless of what we do there. President Bush needs to understand this is a situation we can't win, no matter how much money or how many troops we send there. This is my anger at an obtuse government and its leadership.

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Steve


When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

champpitbull2

Steve, I'm not going to get in another long discussion about this topic on this site because I don't think it will get us anywhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I'm pretty sure you know what mine is. I'm just going to leave this one alone because I feel like I would just be repeating what I said in a prior thread that went on forever. I'll just agree to disagree.

AirLenkus

So you'll stand as candidate for a president! Nice! Since I agree with many things you have said in the past I might give you my vote too. As you know, it's very important to have an international support these days... I'm looking forward to read your speech though! And I was wondering if there will be any promotional materials (like gifts or something) just, you know.... to promote yourself (because only words&promises aren't enough anymore)....? Well, in my humble opinion... an airplane model would be just the right thing...

gospodin

Absolutely, Garth. I have never wanted my viewpoint to create a wedge in relationships with others, so I mostly keep it to myself. Here I can vent, and heck, if you don't agree, eh, that's your perogative. I've had a good rapport with you, and we've done some nice trades, so as far as politics and religion (hope THAT never gets brought up ) are concerned, to each his or her own.

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Steve


When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

gospodin