Gas prices

STEVEJ · 05-08-2007, 01:24 PM

Well, no storms, no pipeline problems, no new middle east threats, no oil shortages and yet we are now being told that the latest price increases are because the refineries are running at full capicity and there are no new refineries being built. Why aren't there any new ones being built? We are spending $1,000,000 per hour on a war, surely there must be some spare change left over for a refinery or two? How about this, take a one time $10.00 assessment from every taxpayer and use the money to build a few new ones. After the new refineries go on line, you could recoup your $10.00 with one fill up.
Could it be that the OPEC along with the big oil companies are driving the price up because their puppets in the White House now appear to have a short shelf life?

knma'91 · 05-08-2007, 01:36 PM

How much is gas why you all live? In Socal for the low-end grade it is about $3.50

STEVEJ · 05-08-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by knma'91

How much is gas why you live? In Socal for the low-end grade it is about $3.50

Last week it was $3.19 today its $3.22 for regular.

Planecrazy · 05-08-2007, 02:01 PM

You can build all the new refineries you want but the price of crude is still going through the roof.

World wide demand for crude is rapidly expanding and the hard and fast laws of economics (Supply and Demand) means it will continue to increase. Add to that the falling value of the U.S. Dollar. If you were China would you want to hold on to dollars that are devaluing? No, you buy commodities with them!

To all those who lease or own pick up trucks and SUVs, it is time to bail out of them!

STEVEJ · 05-08-2007, 02:18 PM

So the "not enough refinery" excuse is just another BS excuse? Why am I not surprised. Somebody should tell that to the analyists, they swear this is the reason. We have to cut back so "Communist China" can motorize itself ? I would buy your supply and demand theory except that there is plenty of supply unless OPEC decides to cut back production to drive up the price. Perhaps our war efforts are directed at the wrong countries. Wipe out OPEC and watch how the price nose dives after every oil producer scrambles to flood the market with their oil to make up lost profit. The demand does not exceed supply if you eliminate OPEC production controls.

B-16707 · 05-08-2007, 02:41 PM

its about $3.43 here in north california for the big players such as chevron, 76 and shell. i still remember me 5 years ago visiting colleges in socal and seeing prices for $0.98

like i always say, the lust for money runs the world. as consumers we pay for the brunt of their greed.
even that thread on ryanair, one day someone will pay for their greed and its going to be the consumers one way or another.

so who killed the electric car? gee i wonder, now instead we see this backward techonology hybrid crap on the roads. sorry if any of you own one but if you think of it, its pretty much the only thing i know of that has gone backwards in tech. and all you large SUV owners, i have nothing to say to you.

DAL767-400 · 05-08-2007, 04:50 PM

whoa down here in greenville, south carolina you can get it for about $2.95

LOT 737-300 · 05-08-2007, 04:54 PM

In Orlando, I thought we were starting to get it bad, it's $2.819 per gallon at the Sams Club near where I live. Ah, just like it was one year ago. Only that I have a more fuel efficient car now than I did then.

DAL767-400 · 05-08-2007, 04:56 PM

we have a sams club in our town, but its on the most crowded road in South Carolina- so not reason to wait when ur car is burning up gas anyway

jasonsw · 05-08-2007, 05:43 PM

I agree with you STEVEJ that IF it was lack of refineries, it won't hurt to make a few more using tax payers' money because in long run, it will benefit us all. So that theory is sorta whacked like you mentioned in later msg.

My friends told me that the average gas price in U.S. is like $2.50. That suggests that Californians are the ones SUFFERING the most. Because we, the Californians, have a lot of vehicles compared to few smaller states COMBINED. (sorry to any Wyoming, Idaho, Dakotans etc). The avg price of $2.50 tells me that in other states, it may possibly be lower than $2.00... They are probably trying to stick it to us, 'liberal states.' lol.

where i live, LA, it's about $3.60 for unleaded 87 octane... thank goodness i don't own those NEWER, PERFORMANCE CARS that require unleaded 92 octane! (MB, Lexus, BMW to name a few) Only Infiniti G35 u can get by not using 92 octane I heard; but then, why would you own expensive car if you can't afford it in the first place? roflmao! it's like seeing people wait at SAMS or COSTCO GAS in their ESCALADES, NAVIGATORS, MB S550 SL550 CLK550 or AMG or M3, M5, etc. roflmao. isn't that funny? i find it VERY AMUSING

Kaitanium, I still saved up those GAS RECEIPT from 2001 - 2002 immediately after 911 attacks. It was $.89 the cheapest here. Those receipts are my living proofs that can be done... But then again, these gas execs, receive record-high bonus etc... good for them and their children...

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Originally Posted by DAL767-400

we have a sams club in our town, but its on the most crowded road in South Carolina- so not reason to wait when ur car is burning up gas anyway

once, i turned off engine and pushed car to front while sitting down, just using my left foot out the door, lol; just to try it out, heh heh. ghetto fabulous baby!

DAL767-400 · 05-08-2007, 05:47 PM

thats so funny jason

LOT 737-300 · 05-08-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonsw

I agree with you STEVEJ that IF it was lack of refineries, it won't hurt to make a few more using tax payers' money because in long run, it will benefit us all. So that theory is sorta whacked like you mentioned in later msg.

My friends told me that the average gas price in U.S. is like $2.50. That suggests that Californians are the ones SUFFERING the most. Because we, the Californians, have a lot of vehicles compared to few smaller states COMBINED. (sorry to any Wyoming, Idaho, Dakotans etc) They are probably trying to stick it to us, 'liberal states.' lol.

where i live, LA, it's about $3.60 for unleaded 87 octane... thank goodness i don't own those NEWER, PERFORMANCE CARS that require unleaded 92 octane! (MB, Lexus, BMW to name a few) Only Infiniti G35 u can get by not using 92 octane I heard; but then, why would you own expensive car if you can't afford it in the first place? roflmao! it's like seeing people wait at SAMS or COSTCO GAS in their ESCALADES, NAVIGATORS, MB S550 SL550 CLK550 or AMG or M3, M5, etc. roflmao. isn't that funny? i find it VERY AMUSING

Kaitanium, I still saved up those GAS RECEIPT from 2001 - 2002 immediately after 911 attacks. It was $.89 the cheapest here. Those receipts are my living proofs that can be done... But then again, these gas execs, receive record-high bonus etc... good for them and their children...

once, i turned off engine and pushed car to front while sitting down, just using my left foot out the door, lol; just to try it out, heh heh. ghetto fabulous baby!

I heard its more because of the high gas tax. I remember hearing that a conciderable amount of most states' gas prices happen to be the gas tax themselves. The theory is if you drive a bigger vehicle, you're wearing the road down more than lets say the guy driving a motorcycle. As for refineries, its not that the gas companies and the government don't want to build them, its more like THEY WON'T. I said the same thing on W900, and I'll say it here. When a new gas refinery is announced, all these crazy pro-green wackos starts saying "Its ruining the earth" and start lobbying congress like dart going at a dart board. The oil companies say "GASP, we are runing the earth, we agree with you enviromental friend" and throw a bunch of numbers at congress on why the US dosn't need more refineries. What they are saying is this "Thank you Enviromental lobbyist, you sure saved our Multi-Billion dollar profits from being decimated because of the people's demands for more supply which would make lower prices and less money to us."

At least we don't have it as bad as those in the EU where gas is like 1.39 Euro per liter for gas.

DAL767-400 · 05-08-2007, 06:05 PM

most of the gas taxes in out town go to-- landscaping the medians on roads and even highways its stupid. half the plants the are planting are dead

GliderPilot · 05-08-2007, 06:46 PM

It's about £4 a gallon for diesel round my way. That's about $8 at current exchange rates.

gospodin · 05-08-2007, 10:29 PM

Yup, no matter how much we cry about gas prices here, the Euros have it a lot worse. Don't y'all wish you were living in Venezuela, where gas is 28 cents a gallon? Of course, you have to deal with a nutjob, maniac president there...oh, wait, we have that problem, too.

jasonsw · 05-09-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

Don't y'all wish you were living in Venezuela, where gas is 28 cents a gallon? Of course, you have to deal with a nutjob, maniac president there...

oh, wait, we have that problem, too.

i am speechless! hehe! that was so hilarious!

A Tupolev · 05-12-2007, 02:33 AM

I make my own gas with a fill up at Taco Bell,

gospodin · 05-12-2007, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by A Tupolev

I make my own gas with a fill up at Taco Bell,

Yeah, but I'll bet farting into the gas tank is a pain in the a.ss

N. Eberhard · 05-12-2007, 03:56 AM

It is not the lack of refineries, it is the age of the refineries. They are requiring maintenance more often so they are not at 100% production near as much as they have been in the past.

President Clinton's administration put a stop to building more refineries years ago (1st term) because he wanted to appear to support the increase in the use of alternative fuels.

Speaking of which, anybody know how much energy it takes to produce ethanol and how much energy it returns in exchange? Not near as much as crude oil ! Ethanol is not the answer my friend. Mark my words, we will eventually being using 'Mr Fusion' units on our Hummers, Civics, Porsches, etc. when the crude begins to run out. I have already arranged a third mortgage to invest in said technology.

N. Eberhard · 05-12-2007, 04:54 AM

A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country. Well, there's a very simple answer. Nobody bothered to check the oil and we just didn't know we were getting low!

The reason for that is purely geographical.

Our oil is located in Alaska, California, Coastal Florida, Coastal Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Texas.

Unfortunately our dipsticks are located in Washington, DC.

STEVEJ · 05-12-2007, 07:47 AM

Ok, where is there a shortage? When the oil fields were on fire and even after Katrina, when the refineries were putting out at a severely reduced rate, nobody ran out of gas. There has always been enough gas. No matter what we do to reduce consumption, OPEC will just reduce their production rate to either maintain or drive up the price. OPEC will never let the pumps run dry, doesn,t matter how high the price goes if you don't have product to sell you can't rake in those profits.

gospodin · 05-12-2007, 11:48 AM

Problem is, many oilfields around the world are nearing depletion. Within the next 20 years, if no new fields are discovered, we'll be up the brown creek unless we find alternate fuel sources. Ethanol is not the answer, like was stated above, since it takes an enormous amount of corn to produce a gallon of the stuff. The Middle East nations know the gravy train is nearing the end, so they'll continue to squeeze until they can't get another drop or penny. China and India are trying to bring their standard of living up to the First World standards, but with over two billion people combined, that ain't too likely...but they're going to suck up a lot of oil in the meantime.

A Tupolev · 05-12-2007, 12:11 PM

Short answer on gas prices and refinery capacity…liberal democratic tree-huggers! Oil companies would invest their money in building more capacity, but liberal politicians who support the tree-hugger groups in “protecting the environment” stop them. This is the same reason we have not built more nuclear power plants, which produce cheap and reliable (and “Green) energy.

STEVEJ · 05-12-2007, 12:42 PM

I'll buy that the day I pull up to pump and I'm told "sorry, no gas". When katrina blew away one refinery and another one was down for some maint and the pipeline was being repaired in Alaska the price at the pump went from $2 to 3$ but the pump never went dry.

As for nuclear power plants, I live on Long Island, home of the now famous "Shoram Nuclear Power Plant". The one that was estimated to cost $300 million and ended up costing $2 Billion and never went on line. The cost is now being added onto our electric bills and we pay hands down the highest electric rates in the country.

05-08-2007, 01:24 PM	#1
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,648	Gas prices Well, no storms, no pipeline problems, no new middle east threats, no oil shortages and yet we are now being told that the latest price increases are because the refineries are running at full capicity and there are no new refineries being built. Why aren't there any new ones being built? We are spending $1,000,000 per hour on a war, surely there must be some spare change left over for a refinery or two? How about this, take a one time $10.00 assessment from every taxpayer and use the money to build a few new ones. After the new refineries go on line, you could recoup your $10.00 with one fill up. Could it be that the OPEC along with the big oil companies are driving the price up because their puppets in the White House now appear to have a short shelf life?

05-08-2007, 01:36 PM	#2
knma'91 First Kup Red Belt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: California Age: 22 Posts: 277	Re: Gas prices How much is gas why you all live? In Socal for the low-end grade it is about $3.50 __________________ Private Pilot Single Engine 03/09/2007 Private Pilot Multi Engine 05/26/2007 Instrument Rated 10/20/2007 Commercial Multi Engine 12/11/2007 Commercial Single Engine 01/21/2008 Last edited by knma'91; 05-08-2007 at 02:03 PM.

05-08-2007, 02:01 PM	#4
Planecrazy Senior Collector Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 497	Re: Gas prices You can build all the new refineries you want but the price of crude is still going through the roof. World wide demand for crude is rapidly expanding and the hard and fast laws of economics (Supply and Demand) means it will continue to increase. Add to that the falling value of the U.S. Dollar. If you were China would you want to hold on to dollars that are devaluing? No, you buy commodities with them! To all those who lease or own pick up trucks and SUVs, it is time to bail out of them!

05-08-2007, 02:18 PM	#5
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,648	Re: Gas prices So the "not enough refinery" excuse is just another BS excuse? Why am I not surprised. Somebody should tell that to the analyists, they swear this is the reason. We have to cut back so "Communist China" can motorize itself ? I would buy your supply and demand theory except that there is plenty of supply unless OPEC decides to cut back production to drive up the price. Perhaps our war efforts are directed at the wrong countries. Wipe out OPEC and watch how the price nose dives after every oil producer scrambles to flood the market with their oil to make up lost profit. The demand does not exceed supply if you eliminate OPEC production controls. Last edited by STEVEJ; 05-08-2007 at 02:30 PM.

05-08-2007, 02:41 PM	#6
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,856	Re: Gas prices its about $3.43 here in north california for the big players such as chevron, 76 and shell. i still remember me 5 years ago visiting colleges in socal and seeing prices for $0.98 like i always say, the lust for money runs the world. as consumers we pay for the brunt of their greed. even that thread on ryanair, one day someone will pay for their greed and its going to be the consumers one way or another. so who killed the electric car? gee i wonder, now instead we see this backward techonology hybrid crap on the roads. sorry if any of you own one but if you think of it, its pretty much the only thing i know of that has gone backwards in tech. and all you large SUV owners, i have nothing to say to you. __________________ Last edited by B-16707; 05-08-2007 at 02:49 PM.

05-08-2007, 04:50 PM	#7
DAL767-400 Fleet Growing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KGSP Posts: 325	Re: Gas prices whoa down here in greenville, south carolina you can get it for about $2.95 __________________ boeing 767-400 no other way to fly... MOST WANTED website: www.freewebs.com/boeing737s

05-08-2007, 04:54 PM	#8
LOT 737-300 ЛЭТ Су-37 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somewhere near MCO. Age: 20 Posts: 1,288	Re: Gas prices In Orlando, I thought we were starting to get it bad, it's $2.819 per gallon at the Sams Club near where I live. Ah, just like it was one year ago. Only that I have a more fuel efficient car now than I did then. __________________ My airport: Nowa Warszawa Int'l NWL http://www.freewebs.com/nwlairport PM me if you want Fantasy Flights. If you are interested in Joining BSA, please drop by our forum and make a post. http://s14.invisionfree.com/Bluesphe...ex.php?act=idx

05-08-2007, 04:56 PM	#9
DAL767-400 Fleet Growing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KGSP Posts: 325	Re: Gas prices we have a sams club in our town, but its on the most crowded road in South Carolina- so not reason to wait when ur car is burning up gas anyway __________________ boeing 767-400 no other way to fly... MOST WANTED website: www.freewebs.com/boeing737s

05-08-2007, 05:47 PM	#11
DAL767-400 Fleet Growing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KGSP Posts: 325	Re: Gas prices thats so funny jason __________________ boeing 767-400 no other way to fly... MOST WANTED website: www.freewebs.com/boeing737s

05-08-2007, 06:05 PM	#13
DAL767-400 Fleet Growing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KGSP Posts: 325	Re: Gas prices most of the gas taxes in out town go to-- landscaping the medians on roads and even highways its stupid. half the plants the are planting are dead __________________ boeing 767-400 no other way to fly... MOST WANTED website: www.freewebs.com/boeing737s

05-08-2007, 06:46 PM	#14
GliderPilot Collector Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 472	Re: Gas prices It's about £4 a gallon for diesel round my way. That's about $8 at current exchange rates.

05-08-2007, 10:29 PM	#15
gospodin Diecast Blasphemer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ceti Alpha V Age: 52 Posts: 3,402	Re: Gas prices Yup, no matter how much we cry about gas prices here, the Euros have it a lot worse. Don't y'all wish you were living in Venezuela, where gas is 28 cents a gallon? Of course, you have to deal with a nutjob, maniac president there...oh, wait, we have that problem, too. __________________ Steve When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

05-12-2007, 02:33 AM	#17
A Tupolev El Jefe Grande Join Date: May 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 1,769	Re: Gas prices I make my own gas with a fill up at Taco Bell, __________________ More Tupolev planes please, Ty-114, Ty-134, Ty-144 My collection: http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tion-3750.html

05-12-2007, 03:56 AM	#19
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,517	Re: Gas prices It is not the lack of refineries, it is the age of the refineries. They are requiring maintenance more often so they are not at 100% production near as much as they have been in the past. President Clinton's administration put a stop to building more refineries years ago (1st term) because he wanted to appear to support the increase in the use of alternative fuels. Speaking of which, anybody know how much energy it takes to produce ethanol and how much energy it returns in exchange? Not near as much as crude oil ! Ethanol is not the answer my friend. Mark my words, we will eventually being using 'Mr Fusion' units on our Hummers, Civics, Porsches, etc. when the crude begins to run out. I have already arranged a third mortgage to invest in said technology. Last edited by N. Eberhard; 05-12-2007 at 04:54 AM.

05-12-2007, 04:54 AM	#20
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,517	Re: Gas prices A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country. Well, there's a very simple answer. Nobody bothered to check the oil and we just didn't know we were getting low! The reason for that is purely geographical. Our oil is located in Alaska, California, Coastal Florida, Coastal Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Texas. Unfortunately our dipsticks are located in Washington, DC.

05-12-2007, 07:47 AM	#21
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,648	Re: Gas prices Ok, where is there a shortage? When the oil fields were on fire and even after Katrina, when the refineries were putting out at a severely reduced rate, nobody ran out of gas. There has always been enough gas. No matter what we do to reduce consumption, OPEC will just reduce their production rate to either maintain or drive up the price. OPEC will never let the pumps run dry, doesn,t matter how high the price goes if you don't have product to sell you can't rake in those profits. Last edited by STEVEJ; 05-12-2007 at 10:27 AM.

05-12-2007, 11:48 AM	#22
gospodin Diecast Blasphemer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ceti Alpha V Age: 52 Posts: 3,402	Re: Gas prices Problem is, many oilfields around the world are nearing depletion. Within the next 20 years, if no new fields are discovered, we'll be up the brown creek unless we find alternate fuel sources. Ethanol is not the answer, like was stated above, since it takes an enormous amount of corn to produce a gallon of the stuff. The Middle East nations know the gravy train is nearing the end, so they'll continue to squeeze until they can't get another drop or penny. China and India are trying to bring their standard of living up to the First World standards, but with over two billion people combined, that ain't too likely...but they're going to suck up a lot of oil in the meantime. __________________ Steve When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.

05-12-2007, 12:11 PM	#23
A Tupolev El Jefe Grande Join Date: May 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 1,769	Re: Gas prices Short answer on gas prices and refinery capacity…liberal democratic tree-huggers! Oil companies would invest their money in building more capacity, but liberal politicians who support the tree-hugger groups in “protecting the environment” stop them. This is the same reason we have not built more nuclear power plants, which produce cheap and reliable (and “Green) energy. __________________ More Tupolev planes please, Ty-114, Ty-134, Ty-144 My collection: http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tion-3750.html

05-12-2007, 12:42 PM	#24
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,648	Re: Gas prices I'll buy that the day I pull up to pump and I'm told "sorry, no gas". When katrina blew away one refinery and another one was down for some maint and the pipeline was being repaired in Alaska the price at the pump went from $2 to 3$ but the pump never went dry. As for nuclear power plants, I live on Long Island, home of the now famous "Shoram Nuclear Power Plant". The one that was estimated to cost $300 million and ended up costing $2 Billion and never went on line. The cost is now being added onto our electric bills and we pay hands down the highest electric rates in the country.