psalover

I got this today. Very scary. Just imagine if you said Hi to someone you didn't know might be a terrorist. This is why we need accountability, and why we DO NOT need torture prisons in other countries.

WP: Canadian was falsely accused - washingtonpost.com Highlights - MSNBC.com

We do not get information from torture. People will tell you whatever you want to here, as longs as you stop. We have had so much false statements from torture. Now, that he has been proven not a terrorist, they still wont here his case for compensation. Sad, really sad.

Moomins

[quote=psalover;467761]they still wont here his case for compensation. /QUOTE]
This statement isn't entirely accurate. CBC Radio was reporting this morning on this subject. PM Harper stated that the matter of compensation would be addressed in the near future, once the Government had an opportunity to review the findings of the Royal Commission.
I'd also be careful not to wag too many fingers at your fellow countrymen. Keep in mind that they were acting on faulty information provided to them by the RCMP. Had the information been more accurate, it's likely they would have also acted differently.
I do agree with your comments on torture.
Regards
EWL.

psalover

I know, The United States was only acting on Intel from Canada, but this country has picked up several "suspects" off the streets of other countries. As it says in the Article, Italy and Germany. Where does the United States think it gets the right to do that? Also the Gentleman in the Article states that he met other Canadians Muslims that were on the same plane as him to Siria. How many of the are innocent Muslims?This bothers me, because the United States is arrogant in the fact that they won't bother to investigate those others. This guy was lucky to get out, and he's scared for life,because of toture, but Bush and his buddies think its alright to toture.

I think it was the United States that would not hear his case due to "National Security" What about his security?

Planecrazy

You can see Bush's attitude in his present arm twisting of Congress to pass an, "interrogation" bill that would allow use of the techniques documented in photos from Abu Grahaib prison.

Yet, when those pictures went public the non-commissioned personnel were speedily tried, convicted and sent to prison themselves. Of course, none of the CIA personnel and military officers who ordered these actions have ever been tried. All this just to reduce the heat on Bush.

Again Bush shows his utter disregard for the rule of law and his real feelings about the front line soldier, ie. meat to be used and abused as he wishes.

This country has gotten so sickingly hypocritical. The Republicans try to impeach Clinton for keeping secret a bl*wjob by a consenting adult intern, but not one word about impeaching Bush for war crimes!

Now, don't get the idea I am some a**kissing liberal. I am not! I am a strict conservative who believes in the U. S. Constitution!

Criton

Halloween is coming up, you can pretend to be whatever your want.

Moomins

So a Republican party member is not allowed to disagree with some of the proposals/decisions made by a Republican Administration, nor express an opinion that may be contrary to those of the same administration?
Wow, you guys are strict.

Criton

You sure like putting words in other people's mouths.

Moomins

You are the one who is implicitly stating this. Feel free to clarify, if you like.

lollomz

Brrrrrrr, what a sad story. I can imagine how this poor man felt during the prisony... democracy is killing democracy???

Lollo

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Criton

I stated what I stated. I think it's pretty clear. If you can't understand it, I'll look for a crayon to draw you a picture.

Moomins

Yes, what you stated is clear & I do understand it. I was merely questioning the unstated underlying premise.

If you don't want to clarify it. fine. That's the great thing about our respective countries - you have the freedom to decide for yourself whether or not you wish to respond.

Perhaps if the Interrogation Bill that Planecrazy mentioned is passed, maybe we can beat it out of you - but I suppose we had better wait and see exactly what it reads before jumping to that conclusion.

Lastly, don't waste your Crayola's on me - you'll need them for your final exams.

Criton

Strange....you expect me to defend an "unstated" statement that I didn't make but did make when I made my original stated statement. Is that right?

Moomins

No, that is not right. I was questioning the unstated underlying premise. There is no such thing as an "unstated" statement.

Statements and conclusions are usually based on premises. These can be either stated or unstated. Generally speaking, unstated premises are easy to challenge, which is why they are kept in the background.

It's obvious from your response to Planecrazy's post that you disagree with position that a Republican should disagree with, or oppose a position taken by a Republican Administration. I disagree with that position, which is why I questioned your response.

Having worked for government for the majority of my career thus far, it's been my experience that the members of a party or organization should critique their leaders (albeit in a constructive manner). Doing so ultimately leaves your opponents less ammunition to work with.

Dressing down someone in the manner you did fractures the membership making it more difficult to hold onto power. I don't believe that exchanges on a toy airplane forum will make any difference in the elections, but they do illustrate an attitude that could have a difference.

Criton

Once again, you seem to see what is not there. I've looked and nowhere did I see Planecrazy state that he was a Republican. But then again, he may be. But I don't presume. He stated he was a "strict conservative" - whatever that is. There are plenty of conservatives who consistently vote Democratic for a variety of reasons.

Moomins

Criton,

Point taken.

I did presume from Planecrazy's last sentence that he did support the Republican Party, or at least subscribe to their point of view. This is because of the obvious attempt he made to distance himself from "a** kissing liberals".

I would be interested to hear his definition of what a "strict conservative" is.

Good luck in November...

EWL.

Takeo von Tucher

Canadians are poor people... think of it: Only Canadians and Americans know that Canadians are Canadians - the rest of the world thinks that Canadians are Americans when they meet Canadians...


BTW:

Tem Suiços na Suecia e Suecos na Suiça, mas tem mais Suiços na Suiça e Suecos na Suecia do que Suiços na Suecia e Seucos na Suiça!

(That is a portuguese tong- and mindbreaker...)

psalover

Actually Canada's Dollor is worth 1 1/2 time the value of a U.S. Dollor. I don't think they're poor. Now I can see where the preception of Canadians are mistaken for Americans. Just like Brazilians are mistaken for Spanish, or Spaniards. People think just because your Brazil is in South America, you should speak spanish.

The same would go for people from the middle east. Iraq, I ran, Same thing. Pakistan, India,Same Thing. I know they are not, but most people who really don't know, and don't care, think this way.

Moomins

Canada's Dollar is worth anywhere from $0.88-$0.92 USD, as of late.

psalover

Close enough. I know that for every Canadian Dollor. It retreaves about $1.50 US. At least a few years back.

Criton

Sorry, but as far as I know, the Canadian dollar has never reached or exceeded parity with the U.S. dollar.

---oops, my mistake, the Canadian dollar was essentially pegged to the U.S. dollar at parity in the early and mid-1970s. Before that, everybody was on the gold standard.

Planecrazy

Strict conservatives believe in a country ruled by laws passed by elected representatives of the people, as long as those laws are, "Constitutional" as interpreted by the United States Supreme Court. Our founding fathers stumbled on a system of three braches of government each granted equal power and it has worked extremely well for over 200 years.

Strict conservatives believe in fiscal responsibility. Keep spending low and pay for what you are spending!

Strict conservatives do NOT have to be republican! Frankly the best ones I know hold the current leadership of that party in as much contempt as I do and, in fact, many members of the party don't want to mention it now a days. Jay Leno said it best, "..every time I feel like I am a Democrat they do something stupid and everything I think I am a Republican, they do something greedy." I am proudly an Independent!

The current Republican President has shown that he emerged from the shallow end of the gene pool! An incredibly bad manager and diplomat, he has entangled this county in a costly war in Iraq draining over 3 billion dollars all of which has been debt financed since he lowered tax revenues at the same time! He has shown not one whit of sympathy for the thousands of deaths he has caused among our troops, allies and innocent civilians.

The conservative leaning Supreme Court took him to the woodshed over his abuse of prisoners and he DEMANDS congress make his actions legal no matter what the military lawyers say and no matter what effect it has on our troops who may be taken prisoner in a future military action.

According to the Congress, Bush has signed over 300 bills upon which he has declared, "Executive Intent Memoes" stating that, although he has signed the bill, he has no intent of enforcing some or all of their provisions. I am waiting for the effects this will have on law enforcement and our budget as the legal actions get to the Federal Courts on these unconstitutional actions.!

When Bush took office, the year 2000 had over a $200 billion SURPLUS in the budget. The current estimate for this year is a $300 billion DEFICIT and it one of his better years!

If there was a test for conservatism, Bush would flunk it. He is NOT a Conservative, he is a Facist!

Moomins

Hello,

Thanks for the info. I disagree with your facist remark - but you're entitled to your opinion.

Regards,
EWL.

ARIUS

Actually, you needed ~US$1.05 to buy a Canadian dollar in 1974/75/76.

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Criton

You're right. According to data from the U.S. Federal Reserve, there were a few months in each of these years that the U.S.$ bought only 0.96-0.97 Canadian dollars.

psalover