STEVEJ

Positioning once again to steal the next elections the Republican controlled senate has attached to an unrelated transportation spending bill a provision (loop hole) that would allow lawmakers to move unlimited amounts of money from leadership political action committees, which they control, into the coffers of the national party of their choice. The party could then turn around and pump the money back into the members campaigns. Since challengers are not allowed to have leadership PAC's , this provision benefits no one but incumbent members of congress by allowing them to circumvent contibutuion limits that their opponents will be forced to respect. Heres what this does in a nutshell...Challengers would only be allowed to collect $4,200. per doner for a campaign while incumbent senators would be able to rake in $34,200 per doner. I will bet Karl Rove will make sure his puppets make sure this is put to a vote a 4:am. If you can't steal it, then buy it and make sure you have an unfair advantage to make the purchase.

DeltaFlot

your only upset because the liberals didn't think of it first when they had power

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N2272V

More inane absurdities from the looney left. To make such ignorant statements one has to assume that the FEC laws do not put EVERYONE on the same level playing field. This means that Steve thinks that Democrats don't have the same capacity at fund raising and are somehow at a disadvantage.

Leadership Pacs have been around for a long time. The total they raise pales in comparison to the mainstream PACS. The following website contains the top 20 pacs and who they contribute to and how much they contribute:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/topacs.asp

What this is REALLY about is more whining from looney tunes on the Liberal Left who think that the only way to have parity is for them to raise MORE money than their competition.

JustPlaneCrazy

Well, they do have a mental disadvantage....

STEVEJ

Republicans are the ones pushing this money laundering scheme through, McCain/Feingold have been pushing for a seperate senate vote, funny the republicans want as little publicity as possible on this. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

Jimbo, you are full of sh*t as usual, dont tell me about leadership PACs and ref mainstream PACs you spineless twit!

N2272V

Well coming from a mental midget like you, I would not be surprised that you wouldn't want to look at PACs in general because they would show the Democrats raising MORE money than the Republicans. It would also show the Democrats as the BIGGEST panderers to BIG labor. Corporate PACs don't even come close to the shamless political power broking from the Big Labor and Lawyer PACs.

Your whining about Republicans while ignoring the Democrats only shows your pathetic partisan BULLshit for what it is. Partisan BULLshit.

Carry on looney tune!

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(FYI: this is the sound of JimBloJob's brain aneurysm which, from the demeanor of his recent posts, is due to burst at any moment.)

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STEVEJ

and your whining is fair and balanced I suppose?

STEVEJ

There is a five foot kill/clear zone around his mouth.

N2272V

I don't whine dumbass, I just correct all your whiney lies and distortions. Good grief, you really need to get a clue dude.

During the entire joke called the Clinton years, you didn't see Republicans coming in here whining and posting about what a philandering waste he was did you? DUH.

One more CLUE for you liberal whiney assed looney tunes, Bush can't be RE-ELECTED and he WILL serve out his term no matter how much you morons whine about the job he is doing. So do everyone a favor and shoot yourselves!

Dismissed Looney tune.

STEVEJ

In his two elections, Bush has received most of his "corporate contributions" - the euphemism for bribes totalling 61.5 million dollars - from oil and gas companies.

N2272V

The TRUTH eludes you once more I see. Don't you ever get tired of the lies Steve? Here is the breakdown:

Individual contributions $271,814,020 74%

PAC contributions $2,917,017 1%

Candidate self-financing $0 0%

Federal Funds $74,620,000 20%

Other $17,877,764 5%
Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/president...p?ID=N00008072

So you see my Liberal LIAR, onces again you post drivel that doesn't relate to REALITY. PAC contributions were only $2.9 million. Corporations cannot donate to candidates shit-for-brains.

You know Steve, it's not hard to get the facts as these are a matter of public record. Could be that you're just a major dumbass? ass

N2272V

Donors top 20 by industry:

1 Retired $22,518,514
2 Lawyers/Law Firms $11,586,846
3 Real Estate $10,462,556
4 Securities & Investment $8,811,245
5 Misc Business $7,917,580
6 Health Professionals $6,683,489
7 Misc Finance $5,517,227
8 General Contractors $3,616,403
9 Business Service $3,602,774
10 Insurance $3,221,797
11 Commercial Banks $3,128,920
12 Civil Servants/Public Officials $3,083,719
13 Oil & Gas $2,596,725
14 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $2,568,252
15 Automotive $2,455,478
16 Education $2,175,646
17 Computers/Internet $2,041,606
18 Accountants $1,901,700
19 Construction Services $1,601,132
20 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,524,847
Source:http://www.opensecrets.org/president...072&cycle=2004

Gee Steve, Oil and Gas execs/employees come in at number 13 at $2,596,725. That's a far cry from your ABSURD number. Just for shits N giggles, did you get that off of one of them looney tune web sites like Moveon.org?

Dismissed shit-for-brains.

STEVEJ

These are just the top ones, your figures are bullsh*t as usual Jimbo.

THE BIGGEST INDUSTRY DONATORS TO BUSH CAMPAIGN:

Enron $1.8M

Exxon $1.2M

Koch Industries $970,000

Southern $900,000

BP Amoco $800,000

Chevron Oil Corp $780,000

Reliant Energy $642,000

Texas Utilities $635,000

N2272V

Sorry Steve, but your bullshit is getting deep. I need waders when debating you. Your FIRST lie was $61 million from oil and gas companies. That's false. Your second lie is that Energy corporations donated $7.72 million. You can't even get your LIES straight moron.

Here is the law on corporate contributions:

I. CORPORATE ACTIVITY/2
A. Contributions

The rules governing corporate election-related activity on the federal level start from the general premise that corporations may not make contributions (i.e., provide anything of value) or expenditures in connection with any federal election. This prohibition extends to candidates for federal office, to federal political action committees ("PACs") and to the federal accounts of party committees (so-called "hard money" contributions). Any permissible corporate political giving, therefore, must fall outside the scope of federal election law (such as contributions to state and local candidates where state and local law permit such contributions) or must fit within narrowly circumscribed exceptions to federal law, which are set forth in regulations promulgated by the FEC.

For example, under federal law, corporations are permitted to make unlimited political contributions in the form of so-called "soft money." Soft money refers to contributions that fall outside the purview of federal election law because they are not used to provide direct support to federal candidates. (Of course, even though federal law does not restrict corporate contributions to state or local candidates, the election laws of individual states and localities may prohibit or limit such contributions.

Typically, soft money contributions are made to the "nonfederal" or "party-building" accounts of one of the six national political party committees (e.g., the Democratic National Committee ("DNC"), the National Republican Senatorial Committee ("NRSC")). A corporation's soft money contributions to a national party committee become public information -- if they aggregate over $200 in a calendar year -- because the national party committees are required to report them.

Corporations also may establish PACs and conduct fundraising for their PACs (using corporate funds to do so) and make contributions to candidates with PAC funds in accordance with the rules described in Section IV./3

Once again you display your ignorance about the law, and how donations are made. All the TRUE info can be found on the web site listed, or in other credible sources. Like I said Steve, it is a matter of public record. Corporations cannot make political contributions to Presidential candidates butt munch.

Dismissed moron.

N2272V

GEORGE W. BUSH (R)
Top Contributors
Cycle: 2004 All Cycles*
Morgan Stanley $600,480
Merrill Lynch $580,004
PricewaterhouseCoopers $512,500
UBS Americas $468,075
Goldman Sachs $388,600
MBNA Corp $356,350
Credit Suisse First Boston $330,040
Lehman Brothers $327,725
Citigroup Inc $320,620
Bear Stearns $309,150
Ernst & Young $302,140
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu $290,450
US Government $288,636
Wachovia Corp $275,310
Ameriquest Capital $250,650
Blank Rome LLP $223,900
Bank of America $218,261
JP Morgan Chase & Co $205,900
Cendant Corp $198,803
Microsoft Corp $197,425

Note: HOW TO READ THIS CHART: This chart lists the top donors to this candidate during the 2004 election cycle.The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Gee, no oil companies on this list. Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/president...072&cycle=2004

Carry on looney tune!

STEVEJ

Seems like those corporations get that money in there some how and guess who the big money winner is? Don't play that "Democrats get all the big money" violin anymore Jimbo

All told, a record $3 billion poured into federal campaigns during the last election. An estimated 55 percent went to Bush and GOP candidates for Congress -- and $696 million of that came from corporations and wealthy executives eager to underwrite the Republicans' hands-off approach to business. When campaign contributions are divided into 10 broad industries ranging from agribusiness to transportation, it becomes clear that every major business sector except lawyers and communications sided firmly with Bush.


Never has the power of campaign contributions been more starkly displayed than in the last election: Candidates who raised more money than their opponents captured all but 29 of the 469 seats up for grabs in Congress -- and the White House as well. Mismarked ballots may be discarded, but money is the vote that is always carefully counted.

Bush was banking on private wealth from the start. Before the race even began, he announced that he would accept no federal matching funds during the primaries -- enabling him to ignore the spending limits that accompany them -- and instead turned to a relatively small group of corporate owners and executives eager to buy shares in his start-up venture. He spent more than $100 million to win the GOP nomination, more than doubling the previous record. The stories that follow examine some of the industries that invested the most capital in Bush, and how they expect him to repay them: handing over billions in Social Security to Wall Street brokers, keeping the Internet tax-free for Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, drilling on public lands to benefit Texas oilmen, curtailing lawsuits by workers and consumers against tobacco companies and asbestos manufacturers.

N2272V

Here are a few tidbits and facts about Enron's activities. Even these don't jive with your bullshit Steve:

What They Gave

From 1989 to 2002, Enron and its employees gave $5.95 million in individual, PAC and soft money contributions to federal candidates and parties; 74% to Republicans and 26% to Democrats

In just the 1999-2000 election cycle, Enron contributed $2.4 million in individuals PAC and soft money contributions to federal candidates and parties, ranking it among the top 50 organizational donors in the 1999-2000 election cycle.

Since 1989, 259 current members of Congress have received Enron campaign cash. This includes 188 Representatives (117 Republicans, 71 Democrats) and 71 Senators (41 Republicans, 29 Democrats).

Enron contributed $426,300 to President George Bush for his presidential and two gubernatorial campaigns, and Enron gave $10,500 to the Bush-Cheney Recount Fund and $300,000 to the Bush-Cheney Inaugural Fund.

Source: http://www.yawp.com/ican/cfr/cfrenron.shtml

Using all that Liberal fuzzy math huh dipstick. Carry on!

N2272V

Just posting the FACTS moron. You're the idiot posting all the bullshit lies about Oil Industry donating $61 million to Bush. You can't even stick to your original lie can you? It was an obvious lie and now confronted with it, you keep dancing around the fact and trying to change the subject.

I don't have to play any violins. If you want we can post the truth about PAC contributions to the Democrats and how the Union lobbyists OWN the Democrats. Would you like to see some REAL buying power Steve? The unions have it down to a science, and unlike Corporate PACs, they donate almost 100% to the Dems.

Dismissed looney tune. You wouldn't know a fact if it walked up and introduced itself to you.

STEVEJ

So now I understand why Ken Lay hasn't been getting his dance card stamped every Saturday night in the "big house".

STEVEJ

Saying it ain,t so don,t mean it ain,t so Jimbo, you are famous for posting made up facts taken from made up websites or sources from your right wing primer, relax don't pop a vein, there is not one person on this planet that doesn't believe that Bush sold out this country to big oil, now thats a fact .