JOHN JOHNSON

I am not so sure whether this is approximately to ask your opinion due to some certain members' being anal and etc...... If this thread offense you, DO NOT POST!

After that storm, As we have seen water damage. I question whether should we rebuild New Orleans?

Due to possible fact of Global Warmth and Enviroment changes,

I think the huge affected area should not be rebuild, not that bad affected area ok to rebuild. But no more further growth in that area as I think New Orleans should start to decrease it's Metropolitian size. Unless there is another "higher" land somewhere nearby to expand/replace the worst affected area. Thoughts of clean up cost would be prohibt expensive.

I felt very fortunately to have visited New Orleans twice and like their French quarter and their football statium.....

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N2272V

Are people like you really serious Johnny? You really have to ask that question?

It's looney that the idiots in the media even need to ask that question. I think the answer is painfully obvious. The question is painfully absurd.

Second, you have GOT to be kidding me about the Global warming? Even if that LOONEY theory became a reality, we are talking centuries upon centuries of change before water overcomes the coastal areas.

The more I read on this forum, the more I see how the Liberals are failing our children in the classrooms. It's pretty damned sad.

Excuse me, I have to put some microscopic H2(18O) and H2(16O) bubbles from Antarctica under a microscope so I can predict with accuracy when New Orleans will become Antlantis now.

Carry on!

JOHN JOHNSON

If storm happen again, over, over, and over. Same result. Is it worth to keep on rebuilding? Cut more of our precious trees to provide lumbers for their needs.... Skyjack-up house price because of expensive materials? Further pollute the more danger stuffs toward to the ocean? Worth it? Your people have establish "Supply & Demand" bull**** which is making our living more of miscrible. This have nothing to do with either Liberals nor Conservationism as "Supply & Demand" apply to all, every ounce, of us.

You want to suffer with high bills = less good times? NOT ME! I rather enjoy good life than stuck with ridicious bills.

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Chansen

All of the Netherlands is below sea level. It has dikes and levies to keep water out. If the US Army engineers could build what the Dutch have done with their water works in the south of their country I don't see why we couldn't engineer something like that! I see no reason for the city to rebuild. Many have lost their homes and those who want to move back after clean up and reconstruction should. Besides it would give people work and a new start. Natural disasters happen and we can't play many games with mother nature. She will always win. But we are here and it will take much more then a storm to tell humans that they can't have their homes back.

hawkonevoodoo

To most people, especially the poor, New Orleans is the only home they know. They have had families living there generation after generation. Even now, some people are refusing to leave their houses even though rescuers are there to help them.
Germany and Japan were rebuilt and are now among the leading countries in the world. New Orleans could be rebuilt and become one of the best cities in the U.S., the only restriction in this case is the will of the U.S. government. As far as moving people away from hurricane areas, they'd have to move the entire populations of Florida, Louisianna and Mississippi. Do you know of any states that want a flood of refugees from three other states? Physically and geographically it's not possible. Louisiana and Mississippi took a beating from Katrina and could have cleaned up in a year or so and with a small loss of life compared to what actually happened. What did New Orleans in, were the poor conditions of the levies and when they broke, it was all over. My understanding is there was a 3 year study going on to examine the condition of these very levies. If the levies had been worked on and properly fixed, the majority of this disaster wouldn't have taken place.
Take a look at the Netherlands, most, if not all of the country is below sea level. The difference, their government took great precautions to make sure something like this wouldn't happen to them.
These people have great spirit and determination, all they need is help doing it. Rebuild but take the time to build the proper fortifications.

N2272V

Craig, although the Netherlands does have a lot of dikes and levies, they also don't have category four and five hurricanes traveling through.

ANYTHING made by man can be overcome by nature. The Dutch have had their share of failures as well. So I think the reality is, you build a city below sea level using man made dikes, you better be prepared for similar disasters in the future. No amount of money is going to stop a category 4 or 5 hurricane from doing substantial damage to an area like the Gulf Coast.

Carry on!

hawkonevoodoo

Have you ever been in the Netherlands in the middle of a North Sea storm? I have and the water packs as much punch on the dikes as a category 5.
You aren't going to get all the people to move. If the U.S. can send men to the moon, they sure should be able to build dikes and other forms of protection from the water. There are some things they can do to protect property better from the rain and wind. Make the new buildings more hurricane resistant and better evacuation methods. All it takes is for the Federal Government to have the will to reconstruct with the best possible materials and technology.

N2272V

I think I am going to add this to Liberal absurdity #7. This is a good one. Now we are going to use tax payer money to build hurricane proof buildings, which by the way would look like bunkers, for the people in ALL the US cities that stand to be threatened by a Category 5 hurricane.

Wow, for a minute there, I thought you were making some sense. I am afraid you are jumping onto the looney tune bandwagon here.

You know people, you have GOT to start engaging your brains and put some serious thought into what you propose before you propose it. This is scary.

Carry on!

Chansen

As I said it would be nice if they could come up with an updated system. However I do not know the age of their dikes and levies to determine anything. How many years has it been since that particular place was hit with a Cat. 5 Hurricane. And it is true that the Dutch waterworks may not taken on anything like a Cat. 5 Hurricane. Waters are not warm enough to make one happen there as far as I know! Some storms off of the higher regions of the Atlantic happen but I don't think at the degree that a convection storm such as a Hurricane produces by way of force winds outside the eye. Still something is better then nothing by way of protection. As you restated from what I said nature or mother nature will always prevail over man. People will still want to live where they are if they've been there for most of their lives.

HerpaBryce

Well, I am from New Orleans, born and raised. I like the city it was, I can't imagine it being any different. I live west of downtown (appx. 20 miles) and my house and most of the area in two or so miles radius stayed completely dry. It could be an option to rebuild to the west of the metro area, expanding to the north along the river, closer to baton rouge. (They were planning of building a very large cargo oriented airport on the mississippi almost halfway between NO and Baton Rouge already). That would be a good idea if you just want to see a city in NO's place. You can't replace the histroy, no doubt.

Another deterant to building a city is coastal erosion. Louisiana loses 6 1/4 square kilometers of land every month (without any hurricanes). Most of the coastal parishes in the southeastern portion of the state are still mostly underwater from this storm.

I don't think it would be worth everyones' money to rebuild the city, but lots of people love this city, like you hopefully do yours.

It's scary to think that New Orleans might be the first real "Escape from..." city. Just send all the criminals there eh? Nobody wants that. I got lucky, I have a house, money, and the family is safe. Many, hundreds of thousands didn't do quite as well.

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richie154

I sure hope N'Awlins gets rebuilt. I went there in 1996 and had an excellent time! It's a wonderful place.

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N2272V

Glad to hear that you survived the storm. I also found it interesting that the French Quarter and older sections of the city did not get inundated with water. Perhaps in older times, they knew better than to tempt fate?

Carry on!

HerpaBryce

Well, we did get lucky, with most of the Vieux Carre staying high and dry. The closer to the river you were, the drier you probably are. The areas near the lake were flooded the most, with only the areas near the river by the ship canal (lower ninth ward) getting bad flood damage. In my opinion the city's history was partially spared, but a new edition to the books puts a bruise on the culture. It's unfortunate.

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Piston 52 Heavy

If they need a dike down that way, why don't they see if Rosie O'Donnel and/or Ellen Degenres can come on down?!

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Not any more.......

richie154

I have faith that it will be as soon as all the floodwaters recede and/or get pumped out. Humans are pretty resilliant!

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Dr Evil

I lived over there, and a North Sea storm is a gentle breeze compared to a Cat. 5 hurricane. And besides that, ever seen the problems they have over there when it doesn't rain for a couple of weeks during a hot summer? Than these dikes start to collapse.

And, the south of the Netherlands, Limburgh or something, has a lot of floods from the Maas when it rains a lot in central Europe.

So it seems that every country has its problems.

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this is the problem with Liberals, something gets hard they just want to wash there hands of the situation and say that whatever failed, failed because of teh conservatives. If we had this way of doing things in this country San Francisco, Los Angeles and pretty much the entire west coast and Alaska would have been abandoned due to the threat of earthquakes, Oklahoma City and good portions of the midwest would have been abandoned due to the threat of tornados, the northeast would have been abandoned due to nor'easters, the southwest because it's a desert and gets a little hot, the gulf coast due to hurricanes, the northwest due to the threat of volcanos. so where does that leave everyone to run to, Georgia pretty much, and there are enough damn yankees down here that we don't need anymore of you here. real Americans pick up the mess and rebuild because thats what we do, no quit no surrender. It's to bad you liberals gave up on moving to canada like y'all threatened to do, but y'all probably changed your mind beacuase it's even colder up there and it takes over a month to see a doctor just to get a cold diagnosed (not sure about that part, but that's what I have heard)

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N2272V

The scary thing is how retarded the media has to be even asking such an inane question.

What do you think they're going to do? Abandon the City? Every day I realize how mentally challenged media folks have to be when I hear such stupid questions. People are suffering so let's shove a MIC in their face and ask them if they think Bush is to blame. They must have some kind of special DUMB test they give these people before they give them these jobs.

Carry on.

Hapag-Lloyd

Why not wait until the water is gone, evaluate the damage and the cost of reconstruction, assess the risks another similar event could pose and whether the effects could be countered, and then decide? And, for now, help the people down there?

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HerpaBryce

You should hear my parish president. Aaron Broussard of Jefferson Parish two nights ago tried to declare our parish its own nation. People go nuts in the aftermath of this kind of destruction. He's locking down the parish in two days... No body goes in, and nobody comes out. It's just the oompa-loompas and willy wonka. I remember the checklist to becoming a nation in first grade, number one on the list is people... You can't have a country without people.

There's still going to be a few thousand or so staying in the parish for one reason or another. If someone decides to do something and open a restaurant they'll make enough money to take the next 11 months off. You can't recover without people. My house and most of Jefferson Parish is dry already. Everyone has a generator by now and lots of water. If they let those people in it'll take less of the military to recover. Sure, they want to keep people safe, but all your doing is taking people out, and as long as you have a driver's licence with Jefferson Parish on it, you can get back in when they decide they think it's safe enough to go back. So if your a looter that happens to live in Jeff. parish, then they'll be happy to let you back in. They don't have a plan, no one in the system had a plan. I guess you could say Mayor Nagin had a good idea of what he wanted to do, but nobody would help him.

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