N2272V

An interesting Book worth reading. This web site contains an outstanding summary of the history and relationship with France:

http://www.intellectualconservative....ticle3846.html

This will help explain a lot of the animosity the French have towards America's policy and people today.

Carry on!

psalover

Geez Jim,If you really read what it says.

On September 12, 2001, one day after the worst terrorist attack in American history, France's leading newspaper, Le Monde, declared, "We Are All Americans." When the United States targeted Afghanistan, which was harboring the al Qaeda terrorist network, France supported the war and contributed soldiers to Operation Enduring Freedom. And as late as January 2003, French President Jacques Chirac considered supporting the American invasion of Iraq with up to 15,000 troops, if United Nations weapon inspectors were allowed to continue their work.


But when the United States attempted to enforce UN Security Resolution 1441 -- which found that Iraq was in material breach of prior U.N. Resolutions, offered Iraq a "final opportunity" to bring itself into compliance, and promised "serious consequences" if it failed to do so -- France opposed the US every step of the way. Asked whether he wanted the Coalition forces to win against Iraq, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin refused to answer the question. And Villepin's successor, Michael Barnier, stated that France will not send troops to Iraq, "either now or later."

The French stood by our sides Until we desided to deviate from the real terrorist in Afganistan,and presue an unprovoked was with Iraq which they knoew what Bush was up to,and wanted no part of it.Like must of us liberals.Iraq IS THE WRONG WAR,but you Brainwashed Hypocrites just go along following George "Hitler" Bush.

What a shame....

JustPlaneCrazy

Got news for you, the French have never been on our side in anything, much less likes us......

Get over it, Bush is not going anywhere, that is really what is bothering you, you lost! Face it! Nothing you do or say will change that! And, the more you think the way you do, the less chance you have winning in '08!

No, come to think about it, keep thinking the way you do and also, please, please, elect Hillary in 2008

richie154

Why don't we just invade France? We must protect America from that Airbus scourage!

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tdh8192

Hey, speaking of scourges, check out these A380 photos on JetCollector, the third one in particular:

http://www.jetcollector.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4990

Wow!

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psalover

Hey,Im not the one who put this arctical up there.Jim did,and as for the French,The artical stated that the French were with us until we decided to invaid the WRONG country.You hate the French,because they were right.

Bush stole the first election.Gore had more votes by millions,and Bush stole Florida.Ohio,thats another issue that needs to be investigated.You can get a recipt at an ATM,or gas pump,but you cant get proof of your electronic Vote.Who to say that the mechines wern't riged.Just a theory.

As for Hillary,I hope she does get elected,but however get elected will do 100% better then Bush,BECAUSE BUSH HASN'T DONE ANYTHING RIGHT YET.

THIS IS THE 10th TIME I HAVE SAID THIS...WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS ANSWER THIS ONE SIMPLE QUESTION?I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TELL US WHAT BUSH HAS DONE RIGHT?ONE THING,AND IF YOU FEEL BALLSY GIVE US MORE.

N2272V

This illustrates what a pathetic little baffoon you really are.

Dismissed you pathetic little moron.

continental sat

That he is, but then again come on the poor guy cant think for himself. You don't think he came up with that clever little thing on his own do you?

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N2272V

Here's a web site with the actual results. You're not worthy of doing the math for you moron.

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm

Dismissed.

N2272V

I didn't expect you to know your history, or to READ what was posted. I suggest you get someone to read this to you so that you can LEARN. It's called HISTORY. It's neither Conservative, or Liberal.

DUH! Dismissed looney tune!

ARIUS

The French fought for America in the War of Independence.

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N2272V

I see you don't read history either. Come back when you are more informed.

Dismissed.

N2272V

French Foreign Minister Charles Gravier de Vergennes explained the rationale for the French intervention:

First, it will diminish the power of England, and increase in proportion that of France. Second, it will cause irreparable loss to English trade, while it will considerably extend ours. Third, it presents to us as very probably the recovery of a part of possessions which the English have taken from us in America.


But the "myth" of the special relationship came into being in Vergennes' communiqué to his deputy in Philadelphia, in which he outlined his plan to curry favor with the American public:

You will show them that we are making war only for them, that it is only because of them that we are in it, that consequently the engagements we have undertaken with them are absolute and permanent, that our causes are now common causes never to be separated.

While French aid was a tremendous help to the rebellious colonists, especially at Yorktown, much of it was also grudging, sporadic, and undercut by the incompetence and vanity of French commanders.

N2272V

In 1796, French Foreign Minister Charles Delacroix, upset with the Jay Treaty between the United States and Britain, ordered Pierre Adet, the French Minister to the US, to "use all means necessary to bring about a successful revolution and Washington's replacement." When Washington announced that he would not seek a third term in 1796, the French focused their attention on defeating Washington's Vice President, John Adams.

During the American Civil War, Napoleon III supported the Confederate States of America, knowing that a divided America would strengthen France and allow France an opportunity to seize Mexico. France granted Confederate ships "belligerent rights," allowing them safe harbor in French ports, and the French along with the English issued a proclamation of neutrality.

Miller and Molesky hold the French responsible for the harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles, imposed on Germany after World War I. Specifically, French insistence on French control of the Rhineland and the creation of Poland, home to three million ethnic Germans, was in direct opposition to Woodrow Wilson's goal of ethnic self-determination. According to the authors, "France created the conditions for and unleashed many of the raw passions that would lead to an even more destructive war, one that would require another American rescue effort."



Naturally, Miller and Molesky cover the World War II Vichy government in France, along with the French resistance that was active in the German-occupied section of France. According to the authors, rather than surrender to the invading Germans, the French should have retreated to its North African colonies. The U.S. Ambassador to France, William Bullitt, said the French leaders:

...have accepted completely for France the fate of becoming a province of Nazi Germany...Their hope is that France will become Germany's favorite province -- a new Gau [German for province] -- which will develop into a new Gaul.

N2272V

After World War II, France engaged in what the authors term a "Cold War" against the United States, and made a series of costly foreign policy miscalculations. For example, France decided to maintain Vietnam as a colony after World War II, a decision that cost France dearly and would eventually lead to American defeat during the Vietnam War. France irritated the US with its support for Israel's attack to regain control of the Suez Canal in October 1956, and then again by developing an atomic bomb in 1960.

In 1966, Charles de Gaulle led France out of NATO's military apparatus, stating it was an "American protectorate," and 60,000 American soldiers in France were told to leave. In 1979, France refused to impose sanctions on the Soviet Union following its invasion of Afghanistan.

In response to Muammar al-Qaddafi's terrorist attack on a West Berlin discotheque, French President Francois Mitterrand denied permission for American planes to fly over French territory on their way to attack Libya.

N2272V

With friends like this, who the heck needs enemies eh?

Carry on!

cpal_747

Ya who would think that a website with the URL of
http://www.intellectualconservative.com would be anything but totally unbiased. Not like they even have the name conserative right in the URL, oh wait, they do. Never mind then!

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ARIUS

Notice how I did say anything about the quality of the support or whether it was instrumental in the American victory. I simply stated that the French fought for America. That's a fact. Now, carry on at the hair splitters' convention.

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richie154

That's some pretty damn impressive heavy metal there! Can't wait to see that A380 at major airports man!

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N2272V

WRONG again. They fought for FRENCH interests. But of course, I didn't expect you to understand or comprehend history.

Carry on!

N2272V

Well I wouldn't expect a Liberal terrorist loving, America hating moron like you to open your mind up to history. It would get in the way of your divisive political rhetoric and looney theories.

Carry on looney tune!

psalover

YOURE A BAFOON.You are so blind...YOU MAKE ME LAUGH.IM GLAD THAT YOUR SUCH AN EGOMANIAC,AND WE HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT THESE DIECAST PLANES IN COMMON.I'm still waiting for your comment on giving me ONE thing that G.W. has done right.

N2272V

Do you REALLY think that if I listed all the things he has done RIGHT, you would believe any of it? Would you REALLY care? Would it prevent you from spouting MORE absurdities? Trust me when I say this, my listing what I think has been done right, and there is a lot, won't change your looney retarded view of the world and will just lead to more nonsense from you.

I'll give you ONE, which will just lead to more of your retarded nonsense: He passed much needed tax reform legislation which put more money into EVERYONE's pockets to spend, invest and create new businesses. This helped tremendously to keep the economy from tanking as it headed into a recession at the end of Clinton's watch.

Dismissed Looney tune!