US takes firm stance on Nuclear Weapons, then flip flops!

cpal_747 · 07-20-2005, 02:31 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/ind...?oneclick=true

India becomes the exception to US nuclear ban

President George Bush has agreed to share civilian nuclear technology with India, reversing decades of US policies designed to discourage countries from developing nuclear weapons.

The agreement between Mr Bush and the Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, will be an exception to the US ban on nuclear assistance to any country that does not accept international monitoring of all of its nuclear facilities. India, which conducted its first nuclear detonation in 1974, has not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

There were some fears within the Administration that the deal with India would undermine efforts to confront Iran and North Korea over their nuclear programs. There were also concerns about how Pakistan, India's regional rival and an ally in the US campaign against al-Qaeda, would accept the agreement.

I guess rather than seeking out WMD's that may not be there, the US will help the countries get them, so when they invade later they will already have proof of WMD's

justin · 07-20-2005, 03:24 PM

Since India and Pakistan are both nuclear powers it makes no difference, and if the US doesn't sell the technology then somebody else will, sad but true,

Justin

Hapag-Lloyd · 07-20-2005, 03:46 PM

Here goes another bit of US credibility.

Pakistan will definitely feel threatened by this - and they are the ones that COULD either extradite terrorists or fund them.

Oh well, seems Menachem Begin´s old saying has never been as true as it is today: "If you have the USA as a friend, you don´t need enemies any more."

Criton · 07-20-2005, 06:41 PM

This is alll horrible. Quite shocking really...what shall we do?

By the way, I'm not familiar with the Begin quote cited above. Can you provide a source or citation?

Thanks in advance

Hapag-Lloyd · 07-21-2005, 12:27 PM

Criton, I told you before: I´m not at your command. Use www.google.com and find it yourself. You won´t believe me anyway, so why should I bother to look for it in my vast array of bookshelves?

What should you do? - Up to you. If it bothers you, write your congressman, or your senator, and tell him/her how you feel about the event inquestion. If you don´t care, relax on your reclining tv chair and watch the next episode of your favorite soap opera. It´s up to you.

Criton · 07-21-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

Criton, I told you before: I´m not at your command. Use www.google.com and find it yourself. You won´t believe me anyway, so why should I bother to look for it in my vast array of bookshelves?

Ah, but you see I did use google and came up empty. You wouldn't be pulling things out of your *** again? Not only does it muddy the waters, so to speak, but I'm sure that it's not very healthy, either.

N2272V · 07-21-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

Here goes another bit of US credibility.

Pakistan will definitely feel threatened by this - and they are the ones that COULD either extradite terrorists or fund them.

Oh well, seems Menachem Begin´s old saying has never been as true as it is today: "If you have the USA as a friend, you don´t need enemies any more."

Once again you post a total lie and try to pass it off as a factual quote. Liberals like you have no shame in your continual decline to irrelevancy.

Carry on by all means.

N2272V · 07-21-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cpal_747

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/ind...?oneclick=true

India becomes the exception to US nuclear ban

President George Bush has agreed to share civilian nuclear technology with India, reversing decades of US policies designed to discourage countries from developing nuclear weapons.

The agreement between Mr Bush and the Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, will be an exception to the US ban on nuclear assistance to any country that does not accept international monitoring of all of its nuclear facilities. India, which conducted its first nuclear detonation in 1974, has not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

There were some fears within the Administration that the deal with India would undermine efforts to confront Iran and North Korea over their nuclear programs. There were also concerns about how Pakistan, India's regional rival and an ally in the US campaign against al-Qaeda, would accept the agreement.

I guess rather than seeking out WMD's that may not be there, the US will help the countries get them, so when they invade later they will already have proof of WMD's

First you post a link that requires a password, brilliant!

So I am all eyes and ears as to why this is such BIG NEWS? I guess you didn't know that Pakistan AND India already have nuclear technology and weapons. DUH

Your weak attempt at finding a connection with Iraq, Iran or North Korea is lame at best, retarded at worst. You're moronic rantings are quite entertaining. Do continue the comedy.

Carry on!

Takeo von Tucher · 07-22-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by justin

Since India and Pakistan are both nuclear powers it makes no difference, and if the US doesn't sell the technology then somebody else will, sad but true,

Justin

Deutsche Waffen, Deutsches Geld
Morden mit in aller Welt

Hapag-Lloyd · 07-23-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Criton

Ah, but you see I did use google and came up empty. You wouldn't be pulling things out of your *** again? Not only does it muddy the waters, so to speak, but I'm sure that it's not very healthy, either.

Check your spelling. The quote (translated from my German book on the Arab-Israeli wars) would go "With friends like the USA, who needs enemies?", and was given in a newspaper interview regarding the Yom Kippur war in 1973, and the delayed American arms shipments.

Thank you.

N2272V · 07-23-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

Check your spelling. The quote (translated from my German book on the Arab-Israeli wars) would go "With friends like the USA, who needs enemies?", and was given in a newspaper interview regarding the Yom Kippur war in 1973, and the delayed American arms shipments.

Thank you.

Sounds like the misguided writings you would be reading. What it should have read is, "With friends like the U.N., who needs enemies."

The U.N. was the reason Israel even exists. Then it sat on it's hands and watched MEMBER nations attack and attempt to destroy it. Makes sense to me. DUH!

Carry on!

Hapag-Lloyd · 07-23-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by N2272V

Sounds like the misguided writings you would be reading. What it should have read is, "With friends like the U.N., who needs enemies."

The U.N. was the reason Israel even exists. Then it sat on it's hands and watched MEMBER nations attack and attempt to destroy it. Makes sense to me. DUH!

Carry on!

Nice spin, but let´s get back on topic. This is about the USA (sharing nukes with India, afaik a 3rd world country), not Israel or the UN.

Jim, want to come around and burn some of my books?

Criton · 07-23-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

Nice spin, but let´s get back on topic. This is about the USA (sharing nukes with India, afaik a 3rd world country), not Israel or the UN.

Jim, want to come around and burn some of my books?

Just so I'm clear here, your shorts are in a knot when the U.S. shares nuclear technology with another nuclear power. When Russia shares nuclear technology with a non-nuclear power (Iran) we don't hear a peep from either you or your friend Cpal. When China shares nuclear technology with non-nuclear powers (Iran, again, and likely others) we still don't hear a peep from either of you. Sounds like you folks really don't have any objective standards. By the way, Hapag, I've continued to try to find a source for your "Begin" quote and still haven't found it. I think you're still making this stuff up, but then that's nothing new.

justin · 07-23-2005, 10:49 PM

These days there are any number of countries that could develop nuclear weapons in a hurry if they wanted to (any of the European states, Canada, Japan, South Korea,Australia, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina and more, assuming none of these haven't built a few on the quiet), in addition to India and Pakistan developing nukes after the supposed ban on nuclear proliferation I think virtually everybody accepts Israel has them, so the technology really isn't that hard to find, the raw materials are hard to obtain if you don't have a civil nuclear program but any state with a commercial nuclear program can lay hands on the raw material easily enough. The only thing to do is hope that nobody uses the things, it's way too late to worry about the existence of these weapons,

Justin

Hapag-Lloyd · 07-24-2005, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Criton

Just so I'm clear here, your shorts are in a knot when the U.S. shares nuclear technology with another nuclear power. When Russia shares nuclear technology with a non-nuclear power (Iran) we don't hear a peep from either you or your friend Cpal. When China shares nuclear technology with non-nuclear powers (Iran, again, and likely others) we still don't hear a peep from either of you. Sounds like you folks really don't have any objective standards. By the way, Hapag, I've continued to try to find a source for your "Begin" quote and still haven't found it. I think you're still making this stuff up, but then that's nothing new.

Which is not true, but then again, we don´t hear a peep from your government either - so why bother? We haven´t heard anything about human rights in either Russia or China from across the pond either, by the way. Does that mean that everything is just fine and dandy in these countries? Coming to think of it, I haven´t heard a peep from you either. Just keep the cheapo Wal-Mart stuff coming, and never mind that it was most probably made by children who should go to school instead? Or in prison camps where all the workers get is some food, drink, and sleep? Where women are oppressed as workers as well as human beings, and where government even censors the web, let alone all other sources of information? Is that what you´d want to discuss - how come these Chinese can sell their stuff at these oh so low prices?

I don´t care what you think about me making up anything - it´s always a nice disclaimer to discredit a person who says uncomfortable stuff rather than discussing what that person said. Can´t find the quote? Tough. Then again, I found it. So, why should I believe you?

Criton · 07-24-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

Which is not true, but then again, we don´t hear a peep from your government either - so why bother? We haven´t heard anything about human rights in either Russia or China from across the pond either, by the way. Does that mean that everything is just fine and dandy in these countries? Coming to think of it, I haven´t heard a peep from you either. Just keep the cheapo Wal-Mart stuff coming, and never mind that it was most probably made by children who should go to school instead? Or in prison camps where all the workers get is some food, drink, and sleep? Where women are oppressed as workers as well as human beings, and where government even censors the web, let alone all other sources of information? Is that what you´d want to discuss - how come these Chinese can sell their stuff at these oh so low prices?

I don´t care what you think about me making up anything - it´s always a nice disclaimer to discredit a person who says uncomfortable stuff rather than discussing what that person said. Can´t find the quote? Tough. Then again, I found it. So, why should I believe you?

Oh please, cry me a bucket.

At least we know that YOUR conscience is clear. You did your duty and posted your indignation on a toy airplane forum. It's kind of a metaphor for the way continental Europe deals with all major world issues. It's really quite pathetic.

Hapag-Lloyd · 07-24-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Criton

Oh please, cry me a bucket.

At least we know that YOUR conscience is clear. You did your duty and posted your indignation on a toy airplane forum. It's kind of a metaphor for the way continental Europe deals with all major world issues. It's really quite pathetic.

Actually, I do more than "posting on a toy plane forum". I´m with human rights activist groups that inform the public about what´s going on in our own country as well as other nations. What do you do apart from "posting on a toy plane forum"?

MY conscience is indeed clear - just like your mind.

Criton · 07-24-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

Actually, I do more than "posting on a toy plane forum". I´m with human rights activist groups that inform the public about what´s going on in our own country as well as other nations. What do you do apart from "posting on a toy plane forum"?

MY conscience is indeed clear - just like your mind.

So in other words, you flap your gums and click you keyboard and leave the real heavy lifting to others.

N2272V · 07-25-2005, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Criton

So in other words, you flap your gums and click you keyboard and leave the real heavy lifting to others.

Arguing or debating with the likes of Hapag or his Canadork buddy Cpal will only lead you in circles. You see, it's not their principals that are at stake, rather their despise of things American or Bush. The fanatasy that they continue having is that they think they can separate things American from Bush.

I know it sounds retarded, but that is the way these people think. Your voice of reason will never get through to them. Once you prove one of their statements false or incorrect, they will just jump onto something else regardless of how far-fetched or rhetorical it may be.

Carry on!

cpal_747 · 07-25-2005, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by N2272V

The fanatasy that they continue having is that they think they can separate things American from Bush.

Poor deluded Jimbo! How false and patently untrue is your above statement. Just about half of the country didn't want Bush so how do you seperate them from things American?

N2272V · 07-25-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cpal_747

Poor deluded Jimbo! How false and patently untrue is your above statement. Just about half of the country didn't want Bush so how do you seperate them from things American?

I'd like to know how anything I have posted is "patently untrue"? You wouldn't know the truth if it walked up to you and slapped you upside your thick skull. DUH

Is it not true that the President won 51% of the vote?

Is it not true that he won by 3,012,497 votes?

Is it not true that the Republicans picked up MORE seats in the house and Senate? (For those of you from Canada: 55 Republicans to 44 Democrats in the Senate, 231 to 200 in the House)

I guess loonies like you would have us believe that the only legitimate elections with mandates are those where a Liberal wins right? DUH.

Basically, there is NOTHING patently untrue in anything I have posted dumbass. If you had HALF a clue, which you don't, you would understand that this was a MAJOR endoresement of Bush's handling of the economy and the War. The patently flase crap comes from looney tunes like you who don't have a clue about what is happening in the world and come on a TOY forum to tell Americans how they should vote and behave.

Take care of your own mess up North before you come in here with your dumbass theories and beliefs will you?

Dismissed looney tune!

P.S. The same dumbasses like you thought that Kennedy had the American people behind him and didn't question the election results or his agenda even though he had won by a very narrow margin against Nixon. Do you have a tiny clue what his margin of victory was? He had won the election by 118,574 votes! DUH

Oh, one other thing. I am very curious what your background is. Are you native Canadian? Muslim? This might help to explain your ludicrous positions and statements on this forum. I don't expect an honest answer anytime soon however.

Hapag-Lloyd · 07-25-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by N2272V

Oh, one other thing. I am very curious what your background is. Are you native Canadian? Muslim? This might help to explain your ludicrous positions and statements on this forum. I don't expect an honest answer anytime soon however.

Ooooh, poor Jimbo´s on a crusade. On a racist/religious one to boot! Note: I am not muslim. That being said, what about the missing 49%? Them´s pro-Bush, I suppose? Or locked away in Florida jails?

Remember: Capitalism is two wolves and a sheep voting on what´s for dinner. Democracy is when that sheep is armed with an Uzi.

Carry on Gen. Looney!

Takeo von Tucher · 07-25-2005, 01:51 PM

So what Jimmy Bim Bim is trying to tell us, is that its not only half the american nation that is misguided, brainwashed and stupid - it´s the ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!

07-20-2005, 02:31 PM	#1
cpal_747 Mission Accomplished! Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 750	US takes firm stance on Nuclear Weapons, then flip flops! http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/ind...?oneclick=true India becomes the exception to US nuclear ban President George Bush has agreed to share civilian nuclear technology with India, reversing decades of US policies designed to discourage countries from developing nuclear weapons. The agreement between Mr Bush and the Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, will be an exception to the US ban on nuclear assistance to any country that does not accept international monitoring of all of its nuclear facilities. India, which conducted its first nuclear detonation in 1974, has not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. There were some fears within the Administration that the deal with India would undermine efforts to confront Iran and North Korea over their nuclear programs. There were also concerns about how Pakistan, India's regional rival and an ally in the US campaign against al-Qaeda, would accept the agreement. I guess rather than seeking out WMD's that may not be there, the US will help the countries get them, so when they invade later they will already have proof of WMD's __________________ They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Ben Franklin Last edited by cpal_747; 07-20-2005 at 02:31 PM.

07-20-2005, 03:46 PM	#3
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 2,269	Here goes another bit of US credibility. Pakistan will definitely feel threatened by this - and they are the ones that COULD either extradite terrorists or fund them. Oh well, seems Menachem Begin´s old saying has never been as true as it is today: "If you have the USA as a friend, you don´t need enemies any more." __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!!

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Criton Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Silver Spring, MD USA Posts: 756	This is alll horrible. Quite shocking really...what shall we do? By the way, I'm not familiar with the Begin quote cited above. Can you provide a source or citation? Thanks in advance Last edited by Criton; 07-20-2005 at 06:41 PM.

07-21-2005, 12:27 PM	#5
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 2,269	Criton, I told you before: I´m not at your command. Use www.google.com and find it yourself. You won´t believe me anyway, so why should I bother to look for it in my vast array of bookshelves? What should you do? - Up to you. If it bothers you, write your congressman, or your senator, and tell him/her how you feel about the event inquestion. If you don´t care, relax on your reclining tv chair and watch the next episode of your favorite soap opera. It´s up to you. __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!!

07-20-2005, 03:24 PM	#2
justin Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,005	Since India and Pakistan are both nuclear powers it makes no difference, and if the US doesn't sell the technology then somebody else will, sad but true, Justin

07-23-2005, 10:49 PM	#14
justin Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,005	These days there are any number of countries that could develop nuclear weapons in a hurry if they wanted to (any of the European states, Canada, Japan, South Korea,Australia, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina and more, assuming none of these haven't built a few on the quiet), in addition to India and Pakistan developing nukes after the supposed ban on nuclear proliferation I think virtually everybody accepts Israel has them, so the technology really isn't that hard to find, the raw materials are hard to obtain if you don't have a civil nuclear program but any state with a commercial nuclear program can lay hands on the raw material easily enough. The only thing to do is hope that nobody uses the things, it's way too late to worry about the existence of these weapons, Justin

07-25-2005, 01:51 PM	#23
Takeo von Tucher Senior Collector Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bundesrepublik Deutschland Posts: 412	So what Jimmy Bim Bim is trying to tell us, is that its not only half the american nation that is misguided, brainwashed and stupid - it´s the ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!

07-25-2005, 01:58 PM	#24
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