N2272V

I didn't go into the military because I wanted to make MORE money than the military would offer me. Therefore I went to college and did just that: Made MORE money.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out do you?

N2272V

I see, and your statements show you care? Good lord, I think I am dealing with the handicapped here. Are you retarded by any chance?

psalover

You are just like the looney president.You avoided the Draft.Ha,thats great.You come in hear and bad mouth Vets,and you yourself did whatever you could to avoid fighting over there.You are truly a sad individual....

N2272V

How is registering for the draft, getting a draft number and not being called up avoiding the draft moron?

Do you work at being stupid?

psalover

Lets see,YOU Avoided going over to Vietnam by going to some little college.At least G.W. went to a University.I see why youhate carry so bad now,You're not even half the man he is.He stopped going to School,to volenteer to go over to vietnam.You didn't have the Balls to go over there and fight,COWARD.I saw combat,so don't you ever think that you can ever compare to me.you brainwashed,ball-less DRAFT DODGER


Until you have risked your life for the FREEDOM of others then thats when we will start listning to you.

N2272V

I guess you have a real hard time following events. I didn't get into college until 1976. DUH. To say that you don't listen to anyone who has not risked their life is not only a lie, but would be a small list of people you believe and listen to indeed. I guess you didn't believe anything Clinton said?

Please spare me your ludicrous rhetoric.

psalover

Aliright,You right.During the draft you would have been about 14?So your not a draft dodger,and what I ment by listning to people who risked there life,IS,That YOU can say whatever you want about sending the soldiers over to Iraq to die,but until you have actually experienced combat,and lived in WAR,then your mouthing off does nothing.We the vets of the United States risked our lives so you can spout off YOUR presidents agenda.

FlyNavy

I just want to say that the NSA, CIA, FBI, ect were all made to find and gather intel on other superpowers. This is because they were made for cold war, not terrorism. But, we are now changing so they are made for gathering intel on terrorism.

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N2272V

I WAS draft age in Vietnam. I never got CALLED! Good lord, what does it take for you to understand? I was 17 when I registered for the draft in 1971. I turned 18 in 1972 and was eligible for the draft and RECEIVED my draft number. I NEVER got called up. I didn't need to dodge it. I didn't need to get a deferral to attend college. I don't know how to be more clear than this.

As for my position about sending soldiers in harms way, there is nothing in any of my comments that thinks it is a GOOD idea when one of our soldiers get killed.

Soldiers are trained to do two things, fight wars and if it happens, die fighting for their country. Their mission is NOT to sit around training all the time to do nothing. Their purpose is not to just collect a paycheck and never be asked to serve.

Our soldiers believe in what they are doing in substantial numbers and understand how IMPORTANT to our security their mission is. I find it Ironic and sad that people like you, who claim to have served, fail to comprehend what even the lowest private does.

Morale is high in our services right now because, unlike in peacetime, they have a mission and a purpose and now, have an opportunity to put their training into action. If anything I have stated is NOT factual, please share with me who you are getting your information from and how this is not the fact.

There are a tiny minority of whiners in the military who think otherwise and refuse to do their duty. There will always be whiners. There were whiners in WWII and Korea too. This does not make them the majority opinion or RIGHT.

I have stated this before, and it also applied to the Vietnam conflict, by criticising the Commander and Chief, by saying that this war was not properly planned, to say it is the wrong war at the wrong time is NOT patriotic OR anything remotely considered to be support of our troops. On the contrary it trivializes the deaths of those who sacrificed their lives and portrays their efforts as a joke.

Im sorry, but I refuse to sit here and watch people who do not have the intelligence to see this spout of their rhetoric and lies without a response. Especially those from countries outside of the US.

Carry on!

Hapag-Lloyd

Cold war is a nice keyword. Actually, all the CIA, NSA et al would have had to do is keep an eye on their "useful idiot" Osama Bin Laden when he was fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan, western-secret-service-backed, that is. Or, maybe listen to the advisors on terrorism and mayhaps be a little late on the golf course. Remember the title of the paper Condi Rice handed to Mr President a few weeks before 9-11? She had to say it in the hearings, so this should be an easy one.

Honestly, I don´t buy it. If what you say is true, how did all these miracle services know on such a short notice - on 9-11 - who the perpetrators´ mastermind was?

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psalover

You have your opinion,and I have mine.I.M.O. You can support your troops,and talk negativly about the commander in chief.

I can tell you this,The republican's do NOPT support the troops.Here are some examples.

1) Families had to send bullet proof vest to their children to help protect them,because YOUR president did not.The Soldiers were better equiped when I was there.
2)Congress failed to pass a bill that would have giving the VA millions of dollors.With the injurred coming home,and 32,000 vets added yearly,this is unbelievable.Post trematic strees disorder whent from 3 solders per doctor to 10 per doctor.N money for VA,no new doctors to help the boys and girls coming home.
3)The actual death count is higher then they want to admit,because they count does NOT take into consideration of those soldiers that died in Germany from there wounds.HOW MANY HAVE WE REALLY LOST?
4)It is the wrong war.There was a bigger threat from N.Korea,and Iran then there was from Iraq.(Guatamala has Nukes lets go into Panama?)thats basically what we did.
5)This war went from the war on terror because of 9/11to an immediate threat from Iraq and there Nukes they never had to this is a war to liberate from an evil dictator.(SO tell me which of the 3 lies are you falling for)Are you really that blind,or fail to see that this is a war under false pretence?Do you actually think this is support?

If we would have done the right thing,and went ONLY into Afganistan we would still have insurgency,but we would also have a lot more cooperation from other countries.and your would not have this backlash.I would be 100% behind Bush if this were the case.

Chansen

CIA and NSA go beyond our borders and go after large criminals via intel. CIA also uses US Air Force identified aircraft. FBI is a local jurisdiction I believe except in a few cases to where going out of it they feel needed, i.e. Aruba. You forgot Interpol! Also forgot Homeland Security for which Coast Guard is now under that umbrella.

N2272V

This is very true. The main difference is my opinion is based on historical fact, yours on rhetoric and distortions.

This is false. As anyone would or should know, when you go into battle you go with the best equipment you can muster at the time. As the situation changes, you change your tactics and your equipment. Initially, I am sure they did not think that they would require so much body armour but I assure you they had it.

This false story goes to the premise that the body armour our troops had was inferior or defective. Therefore, some families bought their children better body armour in the false belief their soldiers were not protected. The only one here being misled is YOU by a media who has gone all out to portray our military and leaders as incompetent. Sorry you can't see the irony in your positions.

Another lie. For listing of ALL the bills passed by the 108th Congress and money allocated to veterans benefits, go to: http://veterans.house.gov/legislation/index.html

This is hyperbole and rhetoric unsubstantiated by any facts and therefore, your OPINION. The fact that you CHOOSE to be distrusting and cynical does not make any of this anything more than YOUR opinion. Don't attempt to pass this off as fact.

Here is a website that appears to have a pretty good accoutning of the dead and has biographies as well.

http://cryptome.org/mil-dead-iqw.htm or you can go to http://icasualties.org/oif/ Both use the same figures in detail.

This again is YOUR opinion NOT fact. The congress and American people overwhelmingly voted and supported the effort to go into Iraq for the express purpose of ENFORCING the UN resolutions which were being ignored by Saddam and removing any possible threat that he was once AGAIN developing WMDs.

By making these statements, you trivialize the deaths of those soldiers who have given their lives to support this action which was approved by the Congress and joined by 34 other nations. I am sure you would like to pretend that this FACT did not occur, but those ARE the facts.

I find it laugheable when Liberals keep pointing to Iran and North Korea as larger theats when NEITHER nation was guilty of invading two other neighboring nations and therefore, there were NO UN resolutions to enforce.

Nice try, no buy.

Wrong again. Please spare me the rhetoric okay? This war began as an enforcement of the UN resolutions. I suggest you once again re-read (assuming you read it at all) the joint resolution and confirm your FACTS. I think you may become better informed this way. You can find it here:

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArti...rticle_id=2686

IN a further effort to educate you on the difference between lies, and incorrect information, I will post the definition of a LIE here for you.

Main Entry: [4]lie
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English lige, lie, from Old English lyge; akin to Old High German lugI, Old English lEogan to lie
Date: before 12th century
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive

My assertion here is that one cannot call our beliefs that he did have WMDs a lie unless one can make the case that George Bush,the CIA and the FBI, as well as many foreign intelligence services (the British) did not believe this to be the case. As with any intelligence of a foriegn country ruled by authoritarian regimes, it is next to impossible to have "perfect" information. So for your assertion to have any merit, one has to assume that "perfect" or near "perfect" information was available.

There was, and IS, no indication anyone had "lied" about WMDs. It was a belief MANY other nations intelligence services also believed. We knew he had used them in the past and numerous chemical warheads could not be accounted for. This was confirmed also by the vaunted UN weapons inspectors.

So please spare me the rhetoric about lies when in FACT, there has been no proof of any lies and legal actions that would warrant such baseless, devisive speculation.

Once again, doing the "right" thing is an opinion you have. My opinion and many others may differ. So defining the "right" thing is only in the eye of the beholder. In our Democracy, the "right" thing is determined by the rule of law and decisions made by the White House, and approved or consented to by the Congress. This was done. I challenge you to put forth any credible evidence to the contrary.

So yes, you are entitled to YOUR opinion as to what YOU thought was the "right" thing to do. But this does not give you a blank check to use devisive rhetoric, distortions and hyperbole to describe our efforts in Iraq, our President and most of all, the sacrifice our troops are making to ensure that Iraq becomes a thriving democracy, as voted for by the Iraqi people, which can then become the beginning of the end to totalitarian regimes who promote ignorance and hate in their vain efforts to retain their power over the people.

And there you have, the REST of the story.

cpal_747

Do you remember a guy with the weird name of Hans Blix? I wonder what his job was over in Iraq and if he found anything substantial when he was looking around for things?

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N2272V

So tell me, how does it feel living on the fringe of irrellevancy? It's obviously caused you some mental harm. You need to do something about that ranting problem.

Have a nice day!

cpal_747

How does it feel having to aviod all facts in order to maintain your position as a neo-con lunatic. Does it get confusing when you can't find the right spin. Almost as confusing as Hans Blix when he couldn't find any WMD's in Iraq, yet the US stormed in anyway.

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Criton

Jim McDonald was right the first time, except that he didn't go far enough. You have passed the fringe of irrelevance and moved squarely in the middle. Even liberals here in the U.S. have moved beyond the simplistic "Bush lied, people died" mantra.

By the way, I remember back in October, almost every other one of you posts was one bitching about the U.S. economy and how Bush ruined it. You've been pretty silent in this topic lately.

cpal_747

I like how you just gloss over that little mantra, like GW was just some bad little schoolboy. So he told a few lies, a couple of people died, but his daddy made a lot of money so it all works out in the end.

I have news for you, your economy isn't that much better than back in October, the only thing that has really grown is the deficit run up by GW and the amount of debt that will have to be paid back. I'm sure it will be some unpopular "tax and spend" democrat that will actually be responsible for paying that money back, since GW will be long gone by the time they try to put their fiscal house is in order and they look at the massive "debt gift" GW's personal war has caused.

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Criton

It certainly is news to me, unless you were lying back in October and the U.S. economy was much better than what you were portraying. But then again, honesty never has been one of your strong suits.

cpal_747

I got my facts from David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States. If you can't trust him, who can you trust. Then again, maybe you have more insider information than Walker has.

Is America Going Broke?

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