American study shows: USA as unpopular as ever thoughout the world!

Hapag-Lloyd · 04-13-2005, 06:33 AM

http://people-press.org/reports/disp...3?ReportID=206

LOT 737-300 · 04-13-2005, 07:17 AM

Hapag Lloyd, what is your problem with america. Its more like BUSH is unpopular. I know real Europeans, they don't have a problem with the US, they just have a problem with bush, and some of those countries survayed seem to be ones that seem to support the terrorists.

Hapag-Lloyd · 04-13-2005, 08:50 AM

My intention was not to bash America, but to show AmericanFlyer2050 that there is enough going on in his own country that he can care about, there´s no need to spew out lies about us Europeans. There´s enough dirt on his own front porch.

I´m NOT anti-American, I´m anti-Bush, just to make that clear to you all.

N2272V · 04-13-2005, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

My intention was not to bash America, but to show AmericanFlyer2050 that there is enough going on in his own country that he can care about, there´s no need to spew out lies about us Europeans. There´s enough dirt on his own front porch.

I´m NOT anti-American, I´m anti-Bush, just to make that clear to you all.

It's not okay to spew lies about Europeans, but it is okay to spew them about American's and President George Bush? Hmmmm...there is a term for this. Oh yeah, it's called HYPOCRISY! How does it feel?

Here is another clue for you "EUROLIBERALS", attacking the President because you "don't" like him is the same as attacking American's. After all, he was elected by a majority of American's therefore he must reflect the majority opinion of Americans. DUH

Carry on!

N2272V · 04-13-2005, 12:38 PM

First off let me say that I am of the opinion that OPINION polls do not dictate what "good" policy is. Good policy is not based on public opinion, but on sound principals.

Second, I would like to exerpt some of the polls results and share MY opinion on them:

"In the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed, anger toward the United States remains pervasive, although the level of hatred has eased somewhat and support for the war on terrorism has inched up. Osama bin Laden, however, is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). Even in Turkey, where bin Laden is highly unpopular, as many as 31% say that suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable. Majorities in all four Muslim nations surveyed doubt the sincerity of the war on terrorism. Instead, most say it is an effort to control Mideast oil and to dominate the world."

This is a poll based on the opinion of the uninformed and predominately UNEDUCATED populations in the Middle East. They also hate Christians too. So frankly, why would anyone give a rats butt what they think? They have been abused and misled/lied to by their Mulahs and Governments for centuries. I doubt if this opinion will EVER change and I really don't care.

"A growing number in Western Europe also think that the United States is overreacting to the threat of terrorism. Only in Great Britain and Russia do large majorities believe that the U.S. is right to be so concerned about terrorism. Many people in France (57%) and Germany (49%) have come to agree with the widespread view in the Muslim countries surveyed that the America is exaggerating the terrorist threat."

Yes I would think that someone was "exagerating" the threat too if I hadn't experienced the attack on 9-11 which slammed two airliners into the World Trade Center in New York City killing over 3,000 innocent lives and the airliner that was slammed into the Pentagon which is virtually the same as declaring war on the USA.

It's so convenient to have this opinion and sit on the sidelines while America, ONCE again, does the fighting and carries on the fight against those who would like to destroy all that the Western World and Capitalism stands for.

So as far as the "EUROLIBERAL" opnion is concerned, why would I care? Obviously this "opnion" would be REVERSED had it been Paris, London or Berlin that was attacked. I assure you the BIG difference would have been that unlike EUROPE, America would have come to their aid AND stood side-by-side their "allies" in any efforts they would have made to destroy the threat.

Because the terorrists consider "EUROLIBERALS" in their camp, they are saving you for later. I hope it never happens, BUT, unless America is successful in destroying terrorism where it lives, don't get too comfortable that it will not.

"Nevertheless, support for the U.S.-led war on terrorism has increased dramatically among Russians, despite their generally critical opinion of U.S. policies. More than seven-in-ten Russians (73%) currently back the war on terrorism, up from 51% last May. Since the end of the Iraq war, there also have been gains in support for the U.S. anti-terrorism campaign in Turkey (from 22% to 37%) and Morocco (9% to 28%). On the other hand, backing for the war against terrorism has again slipped in France and Germany; only about half of the public in each country favors the U.S.-led effort."

The reason for this is that the Russians, contrary to the EUROLIBERALS", experienced first hand terrorism on a large scale in their country and realized that "fence sitting" is NOT the answer.

Notice also that the poll is rising in Muslim countries as Democracy begins to take hold. I would venture to predict that with TIME, a lot of these Muslim opnion polls will continue to rise when they realize that the pathetic journalism which tries to paint a false picture of the "true" American intentions were nothing more than pathetic lies created to hurt George Bush. Once they see that America is NOT the bad guy and that Osama and the terrorists ARE, they will change their opinion.

"Large majorities in almost every country surveyed think that American and British leaders lied when they claimed, prior to the Iraq war, that Saddam Hussein’s regime had weapons of mass destruction. On balance, people in the United States and Great Britain disagree. Still, about three-in-ten in the U.S. (31%) and four-in-ten in Great Britain (41%) say leaders of the two countries lied to provide a rationale for the war."

This is funny hind-sight considering that the "mainstream" opinion of not only Governments all over the world, but also their intelligence agencies, thought the OPPOSITE before the invasion! This is nothing more than hindsight handwringing brought on by a lack of vision or principals. The fact remains that we ALL thought otherwise before the war, we ALL knew that Iraq HAD WMDs and had used them in their attack of Iran and on their own people, and we all UNIVERSALLY agree that Saddam was a threat to world security, to his neighbors, and his OWN people.

I find it amusing that because ONE item on the long LIST of reasons to go to war should color one's opinion that America, and not Saddam's regime, is somehow the bad guy. So frankly, I don't give a rats BUTT what the "EUROLIBERALS" think about America or our President. They'd be doing us ALL a favor if they just stayed on their fences and shut their BIG mouths and cleaned up their own backyards. How's Bosnia working out?

"The adage that people in other nations may dislike America, but nonetheless want to move there is borne out in Russia, Turkey and Morocco. Roughly half of the respondents in those three countries say people who have moved to the U.S. have a better life."

DUH! This illustrates the absurdity of ANY opnion poll and how serious one should take these as it relates to the making of POLICY.

Carry ON!

STEVEJ · 04-13-2005, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N2272V

Here is another clue for you "EUROLIBERALS", attacking the President because you "don't" like him is the same as attacking American's. After all, he was elected by a majority of American's therefore he must reflect the majority opinion of Americans. DUH

Carry on!

The re-election of President George W. Bush last November was a deliberately shambolic process that saw massive lockouts of opposition voters; unverifiable returns compiled by easily hackable machines operated by avowed corporate partisans of the ruling party; and vast discrepancies between exit polls and final results - gaps much larger than those that led elections in Ukraine and Georgia to be condemned as manipulated frauds. Indeed, a panel of statisticians said last week that the odds of such a discrepancy occurring naturally were 959,000 to 1, the Akron Beacon-Journal reported.

Nuff said?

N2272V · 04-13-2005, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEVEJ

The re-election of President George W. Bush last November was a deliberately shambolic process that saw massive lockouts of opposition voters; unverifiable returns compiled by easily hackable machines operated by avowed corporate partisans of the ruling party; and vast discrepancies between exit polls and final results - gaps much larger than those that led elections in Ukraine and Georgia to be condemned as manipulated frauds. Indeed, a panel of statisticians said last week that the odds of such a discrepancy occurring naturally were 959,000 to 1, the Akron Beacon-Journal reported.

Nuff said?

Steve, it is absurd and ludicrous statements like this that place you in that vaunted category of fringe Lunatic. Welcome aboard and we hope you enjoy your fantasy flight!

Carry on looney tune! You become less relevant with every posting.

Criton · 04-13-2005, 01:54 PM

I would have laughed at these conspiricy theories before I stumbled upon a cave in Mingo County West Virginia last month which appeared to be an abandoned coal mine. Out of curiosity I entered the cave and saw box upon box of uncounted Kerry votes from all over the country. Most, however, were from Ohio. Stashed behind these boxes, were large glass-fronted freezers which appeared to contain the remains of beings of extra-terrestial orign. Beyond these freezers, were large banks of filing cabinets. Didn't get a chance to check them out, however, as I was forced to hide and exit when a small squad of heavily armed men dressed entirely in black entered the complex dragging a large object which appeared to be of Templar origin.

FlyNavy · 04-13-2005, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEVEJ

The re-election of President George W. Bush last November was a deliberately shambolic process that saw massive lockouts of opposition voters; unverifiable returns compiled by easily hackable machines operated by avowed corporate partisans of the ruling party; and vast discrepancies between exit polls and final results - gaps much larger than those that led elections in Ukraine and Georgia to be condemned as manipulated frauds. Indeed, a panel of statisticians said last week that the odds of such a discrepancy occurring naturally were 959,000 to 1, the Akron Beacon-Journal reported.

Nuff said?

This is what confuses me, liberals always seem to think everthing is a conspiracy. And when ever something doesen't go there way they always have to make an excuse about.

One thing, I am not republican nor democrat (and no Im not communist

) I am not taking sides, Im just stateing something that seems obvious to me.

STEVEJ · 04-13-2005, 03:05 PM

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.

14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!

17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.

NOTE: Please copy the above list and distribute freely!

PS: Had just 30,000 lemmings...errr sorry...voters in Ohio voted the other way,Kerry would have won, would you then be saying a majority of Americans support the president. But this wasted on boneheads like the chickenhawk N2272V. Your serve!

Criton · 04-13-2005, 03:21 PM

What's really funny about all of this is that all of these electronic and computerized voting systems are now being used because the Democratic base in Florida apparently couldn't handle more traditional paper punch card ballots!

Face it, the only voting system that will satisfy SteveJ and his Comerades are those which consistently generate Democratic victories.

STEVEJ · 04-13-2005, 03:23 PM

I think you missed the whole point, but at least you are being consistent.

Criton · 04-13-2005, 03:25 PM

Yea, I missed your point

FlyNavy · 04-13-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEVEJ

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.

14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!

17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.

NOTE: Please copy the above list and distribute freely!

PS: Had just 30,000 lemmings...errr sorry...voters in Ohio voted the other way,Kerry would have won, would you then be saying a majority of Americans support the president. But this wasted on boneheads like the chickenhawk N2272V. Your serve!

Here is what I mean.... you democrats had to make it a conspiracy because you guys lost the run for president. Can you guys ever think that some people wont cheat. So what if the guy is a republican, you act like all democrats are saints.

Just think about this, not everyone cheats, on both sides the majority of people want the country to be better. Yes for those people who love conspiracy, and want to make a big deal about losing, I said BOTH sides.

Thank god Im not democrat or republican.

My mind would explode from all the finger pointing and whining.

Good day,
As you were!

N2272V · 04-13-2005, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Criton

I would have laughed at these conspiricy theories before I stumbled upon a cave in Mingo County West Virginia last month which appeared to be an abandoned coal mine. Out of curiosity I entered the cave and saw box upon box of uncounted Kerry votes from all over the country. Most, however, were from Ohio. Stashed behind these boxes, were large glass-fronted freezers which appeared to contain the remains of beings of extra-terrestial orign. Beyond these freezers, were large banks of filing cabinets. Didn't get a chance to check them out, however, as I was forced to hide and exit when a small squad of heavily armed men dressed entirely in black entered the complex dragging a large object which appeared to be of Templar origin.

Criton, this is a CLASSIC. Too funny.

Carry on!

N2272V · 04-13-2005, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEVEJ

I think you missed the whole point, but at least you are being consistent.

No we ALL got the point. You're a consistent LOONEY Steve.

Carry on!

Galapagapop · 04-13-2005, 04:34 PM

Dumb study. Actually proves Islamic ignorance, seeing as US more favored by Muslims than US. Just goes to show they hate us all and just love their countries.

I hope someone bans religion someday, seeing as every war can be traced to religious beliefs, clashing.....

Strategic Air Command · 04-13-2005, 05:20 PM

FlyNavy · 04-13-2005, 07:02 PM

If you dont care SAC, then why post something here

Strategic Air Command · 04-13-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyNavy

If you dont care SAC, then why post something here

Cant say I know.

Just what was in my head at the time. I'm friends with plenty of people from other countrys, dont have problems with other countrys, but WTF are we fixing by seeing if other places like us!?
I do agree though, its mostly Bush the rest of the world hates.

04-13-2005, 06:33 AM	#1
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 2,246	American study shows: USA as unpopular as ever thoughout the world! http://people-press.org/reports/disp...3?ReportID=206 __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!!

04-13-2005, 07:17 AM	#2
LOT 737-300 ЛЭТ Су-37 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somewhere near MCO. Age: 19 Posts: 1,157	Hapag Lloyd, what is your problem with america. Its more like BUSH is unpopular. I know real Europeans, they don't have a problem with the US, they just have a problem with bush, and some of those countries survayed seem to be ones that seem to support the terrorists. __________________ My airport: Nowa Warszawa Int'l NWL http://www.freewebs.com/nwlairport PM me if you want Fantasy Flights. If you are interested in Joining BSA, please drop by our forum and make a post. http://s14.invisionfree.com/Bluesphe...ex.php?act=idx Last edited by LOT 737-300; 04-13-2005 at 07:18 AM.

04-13-2005, 08:50 AM	#3
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 2,246	My intention was not to bash America, but to show AmericanFlyer2050 that there is enough going on in his own country that he can care about, there´s no need to spew out lies about us Europeans. There´s enough dirt on his own front porch. I´m NOT anti-American, I´m anti-Bush, just to make that clear to you all. __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!!

04-13-2005, 12:38 PM	#5
N2272V Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ventura Age: 54 Posts: 2,086	Here's my two cents about OPINION polls First off let me say that I am of the opinion that OPINION polls do not dictate what "good" policy is. Good policy is not based on public opinion, but on sound principals. Second, I would like to exerpt some of the polls results and share MY opinion on them: "In the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed, anger toward the United States remains pervasive, although the level of hatred has eased somewhat and support for the war on terrorism has inched up. Osama bin Laden, however, is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). Even in Turkey, where bin Laden is highly unpopular, as many as 31% say that suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable. Majorities in all four Muslim nations surveyed doubt the sincerity of the war on terrorism. Instead, most say it is an effort to control Mideast oil and to dominate the world." This is a poll based on the opinion of the uninformed and predominately UNEDUCATED populations in the Middle East. They also hate Christians too. So frankly, why would anyone give a rats butt what they think? They have been abused and misled/lied to by their Mulahs and Governments for centuries. I doubt if this opinion will EVER change and I really don't care. "A growing number in Western Europe also think that the United States is overreacting to the threat of terrorism. Only in Great Britain and Russia do large majorities believe that the U.S. is right to be so concerned about terrorism. Many people in France (57%) and Germany (49%) have come to agree with the widespread view in the Muslim countries surveyed that the America is exaggerating the terrorist threat." Yes I would think that someone was "exagerating" the threat too if I hadn't experienced the attack on 9-11 which slammed two airliners into the World Trade Center in New York City killing over 3,000 innocent lives and the airliner that was slammed into the Pentagon which is virtually the same as declaring war on the USA. It's so convenient to have this opinion and sit on the sidelines while America, ONCE again, does the fighting and carries on the fight against those who would like to destroy all that the Western World and Capitalism stands for. So as far as the "EUROLIBERAL" opnion is concerned, why would I care? Obviously this "opnion" would be REVERSED had it been Paris, London or Berlin that was attacked. I assure you the BIG difference would have been that unlike EUROPE, America would have come to their aid AND stood side-by-side their "allies" in any efforts they would have made to destroy the threat. Because the terorrists consider "EUROLIBERALS" in their camp, they are saving you for later. I hope it never happens, BUT, unless America is successful in destroying terrorism where it lives, don't get too comfortable that it will not. "Nevertheless, support for the U.S.-led war on terrorism has increased dramatically among Russians, despite their generally critical opinion of U.S. policies. More than seven-in-ten Russians (73%) currently back the war on terrorism, up from 51% last May. Since the end of the Iraq war, there also have been gains in support for the U.S. anti-terrorism campaign in Turkey (from 22% to 37%) and Morocco (9% to 28%). On the other hand, backing for the war against terrorism has again slipped in France and Germany; only about half of the public in each country favors the U.S.-led effort." The reason for this is that the Russians, contrary to the EUROLIBERALS", experienced first hand terrorism on a large scale in their country and realized that "fence sitting" is NOT the answer. Notice also that the poll is rising in Muslim countries as Democracy begins to take hold. I would venture to predict that with TIME, a lot of these Muslim opnion polls will continue to rise when they realize that the pathetic journalism which tries to paint a false picture of the "true" American intentions were nothing more than pathetic lies created to hurt George Bush. Once they see that America is NOT the bad guy and that Osama and the terrorists ARE, they will change their opinion. "Large majorities in almost every country surveyed think that American and British leaders lied when they claimed, prior to the Iraq war, that Saddam Hussein’s regime had weapons of mass destruction. On balance, people in the United States and Great Britain disagree. Still, about three-in-ten in the U.S. (31%) and four-in-ten in Great Britain (41%) say leaders of the two countries lied to provide a rationale for the war." This is funny hind-sight considering that the "mainstream" opinion of not only Governments all over the world, but also their intelligence agencies, thought the OPPOSITE before the invasion! This is nothing more than hindsight handwringing brought on by a lack of vision or principals. The fact remains that we ALL thought otherwise before the war, we ALL knew that Iraq HAD WMDs and had used them in their attack of Iran and on their own people, and we all UNIVERSALLY agree that Saddam was a threat to world security, to his neighbors, and his OWN people. I find it amusing that because ONE item on the long LIST of reasons to go to war should color one's opinion that America, and not Saddam's regime, is somehow the bad guy. So frankly, I don't give a rats BUTT what the "EUROLIBERALS" think about America or our President. They'd be doing us ALL a favor if they just stayed on their fences and shut their BIG mouths and cleaned up their own backyards. How's Bosnia working out? "The adage that people in other nations may dislike America, but nonetheless want to move there is borne out in Russia, Turkey and Morocco. Roughly half of the respondents in those three countries say people who have moved to the U.S. have a better life." DUH! This illustrates the absurdity of ANY opnion poll and how serious one should take these as it relates to the making of POLICY. Carry ON! Last edited by N2272V; 04-13-2005 at 12:45 PM.

04-13-2005, 01:54 PM	#8
Criton Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Silver Spring, MD USA Posts: 756	I would have laughed at these conspiricy theories before I stumbled upon a cave in Mingo County West Virginia last month which appeared to be an abandoned coal mine. Out of curiosity I entered the cave and saw box upon box of uncounted Kerry votes from all over the country. Most, however, were from Ohio. Stashed behind these boxes, were large glass-fronted freezers which appeared to contain the remains of beings of extra-terrestial orign. Beyond these freezers, were large banks of filing cabinets. Didn't get a chance to check them out, however, as I was forced to hide and exit when a small squad of heavily armed men dressed entirely in black entered the complex dragging a large object which appeared to be of Templar origin. Last edited by Criton; 04-13-2005 at 03:22 PM.

04-13-2005, 03:05 PM	#10
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 99 Posts: 1,523	It gets better! Did you know.... 1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S. 2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry. 3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers. 4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." 5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines. 6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee. 7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates. 8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes. 9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters. 10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail. 11. Diebold is based in Ohio. 12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states. 13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States. 14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years. 15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio. 16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! 17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail. 18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates. 19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother. 20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation. NOTE: Please copy the above list and distribute freely! PS: Had just 30,000 lemmings...errr sorry...voters in Ohio voted the other way,Kerry would have won, would you then be saying a majority of Americans support the president. But this wasted on boneheads like the chickenhawk N2272V. Your serve! __________________ Bush....like a rock, only dumber! Last edited by STEVEJ; 04-13-2005 at 03:08 PM.

04-13-2005, 03:21 PM	#11
Criton Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Silver Spring, MD USA Posts: 756	What's really funny about all of this is that all of these electronic and computerized voting systems are now being used because the Democratic base in Florida apparently couldn't handle more traditional paper punch card ballots! Face it, the only voting system that will satisfy SteveJ and his Comerades are those which consistently generate Democratic victories.

04-13-2005, 03:23 PM	#12
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 99 Posts: 1,523	I think you missed the whole point, but at least you are being consistent. __________________ Bush....like a rock, only dumber!

04-13-2005, 03:25 PM	#13
Criton Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Silver Spring, MD USA Posts: 756	Yea, I missed your point

04-13-2005, 04:34 PM	#17
Galapagapop mmm.... Planes Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CT, USA, I won't be the first to admit it, the weather sucks here. Posts: 544	Dumb study. Actually proves Islamic ignorance, seeing as US more favored by Muslims than US. Just goes to show they hate us all and just love their countries. I hope someone bans religion someday, seeing as every war can be traced to religious beliefs, clashing..... __________________ In Dire need of a AA Md-80 in 1:500 scale, please Herpa listen. AA 7e7 by 2009!

04-13-2005, 05:20 PM	#18
Strategic Air Command Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 811

04-13-2005, 07:02 PM	#19
FlyNavy Whoop-de-do Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Moving all around. Posts: 591	If you dont care SAC, then why post something here __________________ If you dont make it the first time.... Blow the f**ker up.

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